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Endless Mike posted:i've never understood people who randomly capitalize words mid-sentence. like not ALL CAPS for emphasis but just capitalizing a Random Word for no apparent reason i do it sometimes, when i'm trying to convey that something is An Important Subject
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a prefect snipe
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prefect posted:i do it sometimes, when i'm trying to convey that something is An Important Subject that's the thing, nothing is an important subject
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:that's the thing, nothing is an important subject n-n-n-not even computers?!
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Soricidus posted:n-n-n-not even computers?! especially not computers
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prefect posted:i do it sometimes, when i'm trying to convey that something is An Important Subject same except when it's A Proper Noun
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Smythe posted:bluetooth headphones with mic. i thought it was cool smythe 
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anyone that does a linux and prefers sysvinit to systemd is psychotic and shouldn't be trusted to operate safety scissors much less a computer
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Condiv posted:anyone that does a linux and prefers sysvinit to systemd is psychotic and shouldn't be trusted to operate safety scissors much less a computer What about embedded linux, does that get a pass?
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celeron 300a posted:What about embedded linux, does that get a pass? my brain kinda works like this O(minor os configuration concerns) it's hard for me to imagine a space where you can use sysvinit but you cant use systemd. if that is currently the case, it wont be the case for long as the hardware requirement differences between the two is at least in the same order of magnitude.
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celeron 300a posted:What about embedded linux, does that get a pass? no
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i use systemd in the embedded linux system image i'm building it is extremely needs suiting
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other than a simple init system is way smaller and easier to manage than systemd. I like systemd, but it's situational on embedded Linux.
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the core thing that makes embedded linux systems embedded is that there's no user interacting directly with the os, they just boot up and immediately start running your code. so the choice of init system is really entirely based around what's easiest to get working the first time, and that's entirely based around what a) you happen to be most experienced with b) is the best-integrated with your shitbox system builder c) has the most available documentation and at this point systemd works great with modern busybox and i think yocto so go with that i guess i did have a problem with it once where we'd set up some raspis with cheap little lovely 3x5 screens to run some random production line programming fixtures, and the guy who set them up made systemd units be the things moving some firmware files around from prep locations to the actual nfs mount points, and made those units for some reason be in the dependency path for the gui. so the failure mode when their sd cards were full or when someone misnamed some file or when the file was corrupt because the wireless network at the factory was a pile of trash and large files would routinely get corrupted on download was to just display some bootmessages for about a second and then just go to a black screen, boy that was rear end to debug i guess what i'm saying is: nobody who does embedded linux is doing it because they truly love linux, it's because it's a really convenient way to get things like scheduling and a good hal and driver model for 0 dollars and a very minimal amount of extra work, just smdh if you have Big Opinions about its init scripts
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Condiv posted:anyone that does a linux and prefers sysvinit to systemd is psychotic and shouldn't be trusted to operate safety scissors much less a computer Sticky as official yospinion and make anyone who disagrees fight a thunderdome imo
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celeron 300a posted:What about embedded linux, does that get a pass? why would it? embedded xnu uses launchd and it's awesome why wouldn't embedded sysv fanfic want to use launchd fanfic?
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Captain Foo posted:Sticky as official yospinion and make anyone who disagrees fight a thunderdome imo correct yospinion
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systemd doesn't feel deterministic, which can worry some people But I guess I can start moving from sysadmin-ing systemd and move to developing for it nothing beats the low cognitive load of a big rc.sysinit file, especially when trying to teach an intern how to debug a new ticket
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atomicthumbs posted:running production line fixtures with wifi no no no, it'd be when we'd update the firmware files those things were flashing, you'd download the file from the CI server to your laptop and then put it on the sd card the raspis use. what you should be saying is using sd cards ever 
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eschaton posted:why would it? if apple had used gpl instead of their own custom license terms, linux distributions would probably be shipping launchd right now you like to complain that nobody will pay attention to your cool poo poo but it is a 100% self-inflicted wound.
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i've been using ubuntu 16.04 on two desktops with unity, one at home and one at work, and on both of them unity stopped working after an improper shutdown. also on this one desktop sound worked fine except the speaker and headphone jacks were mute by default. i don't remember if it was that way on the other desktop. apt-get remove lightdm, boot in console, use startx and fvwm like the old days, problem solved. ubuntu suits my  needs etc. but holy gently caress unity is a bloated pile of hot garbage.2017 will be the year of linux on the desktop, i swear to god.
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There Will Be Penalty posted:i've been using ubuntu 16.04 on two desktops with unity, one at home and one at work, and on both of them unity stopped working after an improper shutdown.
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ratbert90 posted:Ubuntu is dumpster fire garbage, use Fedora. at least fedora has a 50% chance of the installer working on any particular pc
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ratbert90 posted:Ubuntu is dumpster fire garbage, use Fedora. i would but im still waiting for yum to finish
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Progressive JPEG posted:i would but im still waiting for yum to finish Fedora is dnf now get with the times
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if apple had used gpl instead of their own custom license terms, linux distributions would probably be shipping launchd right now gently caress the gpl
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Fedora is the same pile of garbage, but with different bugs source: installed both of these shits ps: crunchbang++ is a cool solution if you want a desktop-ready debian with some nice features.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:oh hay john c dvorak isn't dead YOSPOS: Linux is more licked down than Windows XP
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Progressive JPEG posted:i would but im still waiting for yum to finish Lol you think Fedora uses yum. Gtfo of here with that poo poo opinion.
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Toady posted:gently caress the gpl apple uses a license that's just as restrictive as the gpl, but incompatible with it. so nobody adopts apple's open source code if they had used gpl or bsd or apache, launchd would probably be the de facto standard for unix service management. but they didn't.
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Anybody tried Steam on OpenBSD?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:apple uses a license that's just as restrictive as the gpl, but incompatible with it. so nobody adopts apple's open source code Well, that and launchd is intimately tied to the peculiarities of Darwin just as systemd makes extensive use of the nonstandard features of Linux. Take cgroups and dbus out of systemd and you're left with something much less useful. If you want launchd and a Darwin-like system, there's a very easy way to do that: use Darwin. It's open source, so contribute to it until it reaches the point where you find it useful on a server. Otherwise don't tell other people who contribute their free time what they should do. Anyway, some carefully defined subset of systemd .service files could well be a de facto standard for unix service management, and it's already sort-of happening: nosh can utilize systemd unit files even though they aren't its native service file format.
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ratbert90 posted:Lol you think Fedora uses yum. Gtfo of here with that poo poo opinion. i would but im still waiting for dnf to finish
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Progressive JPEG posted:i would but im still waiting for dnf to finish well guess what it does not finish hehe
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:apple uses a license that's just as restrictive as the gpl, but incompatible with it. so nobody adopts apple's open source code launchd is licensed under apache license 2.0
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did someone say lunchd??? sudo make me a sandwich lol!!
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Progressive JPEG posted:did someone say lunchd??? lmao!!!
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Mr Dog posted:If you want launchd and a Darwin-like system, there's a very easy way to do that: use Darwin. It's open source, so contribute to it until it reaches the point where you find it useful on a server. Otherwise don't tell other people who contribute their free time what they should do. i'm perfectly fine with systemd eschaton, the apple employee, is the one who seems to resent the community's failure to recognize their brilliance
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