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If I were gonna focus on a small left wing party to get enthused about, why would it be PSL and not Socialist Alternative? Not a troll, serious question.
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Jack of Hearts posted:If I were gonna focus on a small left wing party to get enthused about, why would it be PSL and not Socialist Alternative? Not a troll, serious question. PSL is running in the presidential election, so most people here can actually vote for them if they like. i've also heard SAlt is kind of cultish but I have no first hand experience.
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Al! posted:oh is that what that's from? im a weirdo shutin with very little interest in social media so i assumed it was some sort of SAW thing it's from stranger things which is worth watching (though not as good as people are making it out to be... imo...)
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Karl Barks posted:i've also heard SAlt is kind of cultish but I have no first hand experience. I've heard that too, but I think most of the allegations there relate to the unrelated Australian party Socialist Alternative. Seems like a meme that's propagated by virtue of "socialist alternative cult" being one of Google's top responses to "socialist alternative."
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Aug 8, 2016 22:12
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Gloria la Riva is also pretty cool and good
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Constant Hamprince posted:I voted PSL and got transported into a bleak parallel reality where everything was decaying, the air was toxic, and innocent people were preyed upon by ravenous monsters. I was really surprised they managed to establish socialism so quickly! that's america after its attempt to destroy the jdpen
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death to capitalism http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/09/business/states-vie-to-protect-the-wealth-of-the-1-percent.html
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the DSA is having a meet up tomorrow at 6:30 across from the park st station in Boston. pm me for deets
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will there be gluten free food there ? i sure hope you respect those with gluten allergies at this meeting of the minds
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Top City Homo posted:will there be gluten free food there ? gluten is a bourgeois luxury - there will be no gluten.
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Karl Barks posted:the DSA i hope that's your only local org because otherwise there are so many better ones my dude though a bad org is better than no org
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Homework Explainer posted:i hope that's your only local org because otherwise there are so many better ones my dude the PSL and the DSA rent out the same space and share it for their meeting - I go to both. there are good people in both organizations I should mention the DSA is definitely uh.... older. much older. DSA boston is ripe for a youth reset. Karl Barks fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Karl Barks posted:the PSL and the DSA rent out the same space and share it for their meeting - I go to both. there are good people in both organizations yeah there are better orgs but i stopped being picky about who's a comrade (barring, y'know, cops) years ago. good on you for getting involved
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Karl Barks posted:gluten is a bourgeois luxury - there will be no gluten. death to gluent
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Top City Homo posted:death to gluent We must abolish bread... and circuses
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Karl Barks posted:the DSA is having a meet up tomorrow at 6:30 across from the park st station in Boston. pm me for deets you know your leftist 3rd party is underground when people on sa's politics message boards are like 'who?'
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The revolution will not be posted on the Something Awful forums
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Odobenidae posted:The revolution will not be posted on the Something Awful forums Not with that attitude!
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G.C. Furr III posted:& heres the short version for little babies who cant read a book: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1924/foundations-leninism/ch06.htm Joseph Stalin posted:a) the world is divided into two camps: the camp of a handful of civilised nations, which possess finance capital and exploit the vast majority of the population of the globe; and the camp of the oppressed and exploited peoples in the colonies and dependent countries, which constitute the majority; Okay, so like I actually agree with this in some part, but this isn't what the PSL were talking about at all. The nations that Stalin and Lenin spoke about genuinely were under colonial repression, and usually located in a single defined geographical area. The "oppressed nations" the PSL lists are all mixed and muddled up within the United States, and it could be argued that they're some of the greatest beneficiaries of current capitalist imperialism after the global capitalist class themselves. The accusations of "Labour Aristocracy" against first world workers exist for a reason, and the United States has plenty of black, hispanic and asian populations who are doing just as well as whites that the PSL would call oppressed nations and offer self-determination too, which I actually find kind of offensive, grouping all pacific islanders/asians/hispanics together and calling them oppressed nations. I mean, hispanics would not exist without former colonial imperialism by their ancestors. How could it possibly work in this context? It just seems like a ridiculous policy that's put in there without any thought at all about the implications as a way of virtue signalling to identity politics obsessed millenials, and that's not how you spread socialist values and improve conditions for the working-class.
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But the other five communist parties says this party is made up of fascists reactionaries. Why should I support them rather then the Socialist Action party?
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DSA was a big disappointment in contrast to the PSL. the chair of DSA Boston was... a gross person. the ex-chair was there and he seemed to have poo poo poo poo together and was heavily involved in SEIU. There was also a british labor party contact at the meeting, who seemed really confused about american politics. I'll probably keep going, but only to see if there is a way to get the chair removed. the dude looked like he hadn't washed or changed clothes in a month.
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Karl Barks posted:DSA was a big disappointment in contrast to the PSL. the chair of DSA Boston was... a gross person. the ex-chair was there and he seemed to have poo poo poo poo together and was heavily involved in SEIU. There was also a british labor party contact at the meeting, who seemed really confused about american politics. I'll probably keep going, but only to see if there is a way to get the chair removed. the dude looked like he hadn't washed or changed clothes in a month. Hygeine is not radical praxis
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labour party like institution here would be a blessing learn from those fruity brits about organizing basic worker movements we already got the "destroy worker movement" part down there is no where to go but up Up UP!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagossians Now this is an oppressed nation. gently caress this gay earth. They just removed these people from their homeland, and even though law and the judges are on their side, the imperial powers simply do whatever they want. There is no law. There is no justice. These are figleafs of legitimacy for a brutal imperialist capitalist world order. The ruling class are going to turn us back into chattel, step by step, and now they have the technology to do it. We can't fight back, if we try to mobilize democratically we will be suppressed and they will kill us and remove our rights without a moment's hesitation if they need to. The only way we can rebel is by not breeding and hoping our numbers massively thin out in the next few years. 
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Jesus Christ. Was this thread here all along? I've been missing out! I live in a very small and isolated city that definitely has no running politicians that embrace any sort of socialism or communism. But I'm starting to think that engaging in political elections is just negotiating with a capitalist society that won't brook any truly revolutionary options anyway. Besides the fact that any third party is a dead end option for the general election, how does the PSL reconcile its positions with the nation's extremely limited tolerance of its ideals?
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GlitchThief posted:Jesus Christ. Was this thread here all along? I've been missing out! Socialism is less intolerable to the average American than they realize. And while elections are a bad way to go about affecting change for certain problems, reform within the political system can have positive effects which allow the working class greater ability to organize and survive and should not be outright discounted.
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Jack of Hearts posted:If I were gonna focus on a small left wing party to get enthused about, why would it be PSL and not Socialist Alternative? Not a troll, serious question. SA chapters around the country faced mass defection after the party endorsed bernie, and even more after bernie did what he said hed do all along and endorsed clinton at the DNC. numerous other organizations have gained members as SA shrinks or, at best, trades in leftist members for sanders supporters. i'd also like to announce that as of an hour ago, Gloria La Riva was selected as California's Peace and Freedom Party nominee in a crowded field against attempts by the Green Party to hijack the nomination on behalf of Jill Stein. Socialists are tired of backing liberal parties - its time to build up our own. GlitchThief posted:Jesus Christ. Was this thread here all along? I've been missing out! it is our belief that the united states is not one unified nation, but is rather a state holding many nations at once. this is how/why we advocate national liberation as well. as for the 'extremely limited tollerance' of americans for socialism, id say we should look at how people reacted to bernie's campaign. sanders and the PSL differ on what we consider socialist, but the mass support behind his campaign shows there is ample support for socialism in this country. The Saurus posted:Okay, so like I actually agree with this in some part, but this isn't what the PSL were talking about at all. The nations that Stalin and Lenin spoke about genuinely were under colonial repression, and usually located in a single defined geographical area. theres a lot going on in this post. yes, oppressed nations inside the united states are dispersed. this isnt particularly unusual, and actually compares to the ussr rather well. there have been many texts and different ideas on how oppressed nations can be liberated inside the united states, from the CPUSA's Black Belt autonomy from the 30s to the BPP's revolutionary intercommunalism. if you'd like links feel free to ask. as an aside, no one is claiming asians and pacific islanders and 'hispanics' are all part of the same oppressed nation, these are all different. we're also not saying compradors don't exist, that'd be absurd. USSR ethnic majority map (1974)  US ethnic majority map (2000) 
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Urbandale posted:USSR ethnic majority map (1974) I knew there were a lot of germans in the US but looking at it on a map like this is kind of nuts
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Karl Barks posted:What is American? Dishonest German.
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Karl Barks posted:What is American? Depends on the region but generally descendants 17th to 18th c. English and Scottish settlers.
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yeah but many working class whites in the rustbelt and south either have lost track of their ancestry or have such a mix of scottish/english/german/french/am. indian/(psst african too) they are unable to identify a particular ancestry
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Karl Barks posted:but it lists english Scotch-Irish
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Fullhouse posted:I knew there were a lot of germans in the US but looking at it on a map like this is kind of nuts most of those places are pretty empty but yeah. this is a map that kicked around a little bit ago displaying where half the US population lives  Breakfast All Day posted:yeah but many working class whites in the rustbelt and south either have lost track of their ancestry or have such a mix of scottish/english/german/french/am. indian/(psst african too) they are unable to identify a particular ancestry this is largely true in most of the urban northeast and southwest as well (how many times have you heard someone list off a series of ratios to tell you their ethnicity? most of these stories are fabricated anyway), and yet we dont see whites there self-identifying as 'american'. im not entirely sure why, though i do find it interesting that everyone that does is clustered around the black belt, which offers up a few possible answers Urbandale fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Urbandale posted:SA chapters around the country faced mass defection after the party endorsed bernie, and even more after bernie did what he said hed do all along and endorsed clinton at the DNC. the PSL branch im in has picked up more than a few refugees from that group. that map of the US is not an ethnic majority map, that is an ethnic plurality map, and it divides white people along ancestral lines that have little bearing on modern American race relations/ethnicity Sheng-Ji Yang fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Aug 14, 2016 |
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:that map of the US is not an ethnic majority map, that is an ethnic plurality map, and it divides white people along ancestral lines that have little bearing on modern American race relations/ethnicity Yeah that map is crap for a lot of reasons (See the county population thing he just posted) but for purposes of the point he's making that doesn't really matter. It nicely illustrates how oppressed nations are geographically diffused throughout the US, much like the USSR. Not sure what you're getting at other than being pedantic for it's own sake.
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:that map of the US is not an ethnic majority map, that is an ethnic plurality map, and it divides white people along ancestral lines that have little bearing on modern American race relations/ethnicity youre right, theyre both actually ethnic plurality maps, though as Odobenidae mentioned this doesnt particularly matter. i mentioned the race relations aspect in a later post as well, though rather obliquely. to make that part clearer, i suspect that southern whites ID as american precisely because of their proximity to the black belt, though i dont have much to base this on.
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No, they say "American" because they have no earthly idea what their ancestry is. There was definitely a lot of intermingling in the 18th century in that area and whole regions just kinda lost track. My family goes back like this, but the records are incomplete either out of shoddy keeping or an intentional obfuscation of "embarrassing" relatives. They all swear up and down my grandma was Dutch but lol pictures from 60 years ago may as well have been taken on a Reservation
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