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chitoryu12 posted:I mentioned earlier in the thread that I got into an argument about it with someone. What happened is that she was in an abusive relationship before, and she admitted to lashing out and yelling at her boyfriend when she got too tired of his lovely behavior. What this means is that she now sees herself in Lapis and directly compares her own abusive relationship to Lapis and Jasper. She got extremely offended at any suggestion that her interpretation might be incorrect, and outright said that it's because she feels that questioning her interpretation of the fictional fusion is also questioning her own past, and engaging in victim blaming against her personally. no one on the writing team knows her so it's her problem, imo. Her situation sounds bad but it also sounds like she's a little too invested in pretending she is a cartoon rock person. I kind of have a problem with progressives reducing things to black and white conflict all the time, because it's then used to bully people over silly things like which ships they like and how they draw fanart or if they make a problematic joke because they are still being ideologically impure and thus the black part of the black and white conflict, something just as serious as actual activism issues, and it somehow doesn't matter that they're either antagonizing their own allies or looking like too much pointless drama to deal with and turning away potential other allies.
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Bongo Bill posted:Less important than whether she did anything wrong is the fact that she thinks that many of the things she did were wrong. I do think that makes a fair bit of difference. Jasper thinks she's in the right with what she's doing, which makes it a bit worse. Honestly, all of the gems have probably killed a lot of people, unintentionally or otherwise, of the course of 5000 years or so. Kwyndig posted:Can't wait for Jasper's redemption arc so she can be big orange Nappa to Peridot's tiny green Vegeta again. In this example, Lapis is Piccolo. I hope Jasper is redeemed and all, but I really doubt she's someone that would join the CGs. If push came to shove, and she was threatened directly by Yellow Diamond or something, I can see her joining in and "enemy of my enemy" type of thing, but never really fully joining.
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Aug 17, 2016 18:42
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SpacePig posted:I do think that makes a fair bit of difference. Jasper thinks she's in the right with what she's doing, which makes it a bit worse. She'd be Vegeta then
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Aug 17, 2016 18:45
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Probably would've been better to do this for Yellow Diamond but it's relevant now so here it is I silently pray for Jasperdemption
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Aug 17, 2016 18:54
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Acne Rain posted:no one on the writing team knows her so it's her problem, imo. Her situation sounds bad but it also sounds like she's a little too invested in pretending she is a cartoon rock person. More like, people telling women that they are equally to blame when they abused is a thing that happens literally always every time women talk about being abused and anime nerds telling women how they shouldn't relate to some situation in a cartoon because clearly lapis is the villain too because she was bitchy and said mean things and thus deserved physical abuse might not come off well.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:01
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:More like, people telling women that they are equally to blame when they abused is a thing that happens literally always every time women talk about being abused and anime nerds telling women how they shouldn't relate to some situation in a cartoon because clearly lapis is the villain too because she was bitchy and said mean things and thus deserved physical abuse might not come off well. what comes off not well is this really terrible post that's just exacerbating things and reducing other people's points to 'lapis was mean and deserved abuse' which absolutely no one in this thread has said
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Aug 17, 2016 19:10
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MrSlam posted:edit: nevermind, turns out my joke wasn't related to anything in the thread, which I guess is par for the course for me I've seen a lot of fan art in Chinese and Japanese, one of the fastest uploaders of new episodes is en espanol but I have no hard numbers.
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Brother Entropy posted:what comes off not well is this really terrible post that's just exacerbating things and reducing other people's points to 'lapis was mean and deserved abuse' which absolutely no one in this thread has said What has lapis done exactly that was terrible?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:More like, people telling women that they are equally to blame when they abused is a thing that happens literally always every time women talk about being abused and anime nerds telling women how they shouldn't relate to some situation in a cartoon because clearly lapis is the villain too because she was bitchy and said mean things and thus deserved physical abuse might not come off well. Okay I was going to stay out of this whole conversation, but these kind of bullshit statements really piss me off so here's my take: I've been in abusive relationships, and I identify with Jasper because even though I hated the situation and had no control over it I still hated the idea of leaving because if I did I would be totally powerless with no way to take care of myself. That's my experience, and that's how it effects the way I view cartoons. Some other people have had different experiences that cause them to identify more with Lapis, and that's fine. Abusive relationships, and life in general, are highly complicated and personal. What isn't fine is poo poo like this, poo poo where you tell all women everywhere how they should feel about something because obviously you know best. You're not helping, you're just being a pretentious self righteous douche. Say whatever you want about cartoon characters, you wanna talk poo poo about Jasper? Fine. Ya wanna talk poo poo about Lapis? Do it. But don't pretend your feelings about fictional characters makes you some kind of an expert on the lives of abuse victums. rear end in a top hat. Space Cadet Omoly fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:What has lapis done exactly that was terrible? 
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Aug 17, 2016 19:40
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Lapis drowned Louisiana (or whatever the gently caress it's called in the Steven universe) again.
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Lapis broke Peridot's recorder. It was really mean, It meant a lot to her. 
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Tollymain posted:see also people who unironically say "bismuth did nothing wrong" Oh, god, don't get them started. There are people calling for a boycott of the show saying she's a racist caricature.
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New episodes aren't going to leak every day anymore are they? Just waiting to hear those three little words: "Mindful Education leaked" Cartoon Network will ask,  "Where's the leaker? We saved a bomb for him." But they won't see him because they returned to normal programming. And then they'll release it simultaneously on all platforms on schedule. And then the leaker will die.
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Aug 17, 2016 20:05
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I am curious as to how non-English V.A.s for Pearl do all her weird non-verbal utterances.
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Samovar posted:I am curious as to how non-English V.A.s for Pearl do all her weird non-verbal utterances. I tried but the closest I got was peridot noises in espanol and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0Fymg0Wu0
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:I tried but the closest I got was peridot noises in espanol and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0Fymg0Wu0 RareAcumen posted:You think that's bad I bet they're doing the same thing but as ponies too! Not ponies, but here's a little something fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJjS0TJNLus
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Okay I was going to stay out of this whole conversation, but these kind of bullshit statements really piss me off so here's my take: Using your abuse as justification for your interpretation of characters in a cartoon so nobody can discuss it unless they agree with you is bad social interaction and shuts down the dialog on abuse, which isn't cool. If people are actively seeking out this person who refuses to discuss it though, that's not cool on them.
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SpacePig posted:I hope Jasper is redeemed and all, but I really doubt she's someone that would join the CGs. If push came to shove, and she was threatened directly by Yellow Diamond or something, I can see her joining in and "enemy of my enemy" type of thing, but never really fully joining. concept: crystal gems having a picnic. jasper leans against a tree in the distance, arms folded, eyes closed in concentration
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Raserys posted:concept: crystal gems having a picnic. jasper leans against a tree in the distance, arms folded, eyes closed in concentration while chewing on a toothpick. "Like I would want to join their wimpy little club anyway, losers..." then she combs her pompadour and climbs on her customized motorcycle giving one final "Tch" before driving off edit: needs more anime MrSlam fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Raserys posted:concept: crystal gems having a picnic. jasper leans against a tree in the distance, arms folded, eyes closed in concentration And then She notices Steven standing there trying to give her something to eat, she snorts and angrily takes it turning her back to him. As he walks away she smiles! 
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It's hecka neat that Jasper is always "the dude" when we talk about anything, probably because she has big arms .
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Raserys posted:concept: crystal gems having a picnic. jasper leans against a tree in the distance, arms folded, eyes closed in concentration Buckets posted:And then She notices Steven standing there trying to give her something to eat, she snorts and angrily takes it turning her back to him. As he walks away she smiles! No, she never smiles. She "grudgingly" eats some sandwiches, cleans up after herself, and throws a plate back at Steven. The plate has "thanks" scrawled on it, and by the time he turns to say "You're welcome", she's gone.
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Pyrotoad posted:Has the Lion Teleportation noise always had that same weird noise as the Diamond themes? It did in "It Could've Been Great". The first and last shot that we see of the inside of the portal is also diamond-shaped 
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After final battle, Lapis and Jasper sit on a small ice flow in the middle of the ocean: Lapis: Is it over? Jasper: Not until the fish jumps. *fish jumps* Jasper: It's over. Cut to credits.
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yellow diamond has completely defeated our heroes, she picks up steven, prepared to finish him off, when suddenly a spin dash barrels in to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lGuDTRilKQ
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C-SPAN Caller posted:Using your abuse as justification for your interpretation of characters in a cartoon so nobody can discuss it unless they agree with you is bad social interaction and shuts down the dialog on abuse, which isn't cool. If people are actively seeking out this person who refuses to discuss it though, that's not cool on them. If I were in a conversation with a victim of abuse, and the subject of a children's cartoon was fuel for their pain, I'd probably opt to just sacrifice the sanctity of children's cartoon discussion. I mean, I know children's cartoon talk is really important and what fuels us all, but in this case I think I could take the hit.
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Yeah, the "one side was physically abusive, but the other side was BITCHY, both sides are guilty really if you think about it".
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Lapis did nothing wrong by forcibly imprisoning someone against their will under the ocean for months.  Can we just agree that both people did hosed up poo poo and move on?
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YoshiOfYellow posted:Lapis did nothing wrong by forcibly imprisoning someone against their will under the ocean for months. Someone that was literally trying to punch a child to death and had kept her in a cage.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yeah, the "one side was physically abusive, but the other side was BITCHY, both sides are guilty really if you think about it". Lapis physically held Jasper down at the bottom of the ocean. YoshiOfYellow posted:Lapis did nothing wrong by forcibly imprisoning someone against their will under the ocean for months. Yeah, let's talk about this instead: When Centipeetle is uncorrupted and gets her voice back which "Orange is the New Black" cast member should she be voiced by? I vote for Samira Wiley.
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I'm leaning towards Julie Hagerty because I love the film Airplane and think Steven needs to see it.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Someone that was literally trying to punch a child to death and had kept her in a cage. She thought the child was a rebel leader that is thousands of years old that assassinated her leader. Putting arrested individuals in holding for transportation back for a trial is normal protocol for extradited criminals, which Lapis could have been. Also if abuse was coming up during a cartoon conversation with someone I'd just not talk about it, dont be silly.
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imo Lapis is sympathetic but also not entirely without blame whilst Jasper is clearly a quite broken individual who could still be redeemed ok theres my hot take.
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I'm just saying this discussion would be moot if they voted in Donny Reagan and implemented his Space Wars missile/satellite killer plans. Just point them at space and boom, no invasion force.
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RandomPauI posted:I'm just saying this discussion would be moot if they voted in Donny Reagan and implemented his Space Wars missile/satellite killer plans. Just point them at space and boom, no invasion force. Do you think Clint Eastwood was President in the Steven Universe timeline instead of Ronald Reagan? Would that be better or worse?
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Robert Redford was the 40th President of America in the Steven universe.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Do you think Clint Eastwood was President in the Steven Universe timeline instead of Ronald Reagan? Worse, Reagan was pretty hands off since he knew he wasn't completely up to the job. Clint Eastwood would have tried to do it his own way anyway and probably made a mess of things. Not that it really matters, for all we know Garnet is president. Before anybody brings up the fact that gay space rocks weren't born on Earth, we don't know that, and she's old enough that the other part of Article II Section 1 applies.
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Clint Eastwood, US ambassador to the Soviet Union, ended the USSR by winning a fistfight with Boris Yeltsin.
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