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Where I work, a human driver is needed to sign paperwork and put on hazard placards and poo poo Can't see a robot truck doing that
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Can't wait for the landmark Supreme Court verdict that grants self-driving cars personhood so that Uber can fire the car for violating its contractor terms of service rather than be held liable for driving a bus full of nuns and orphans off a bridge. What a time to be alive.
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The folks in this thread that think the people working full time on self driving vehicles haven't considered problems like "GPS and available maps aren't always accurate" and "construction and other temporary events change road availability and conditions" are really cute.
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Aug 19, 2016 17:08
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pr0zac posted:The folks in this thread that think the people working full time on self driving vehicles haven't considered problems like "GPS and available maps aren't always accurate" and "construction and other temporary events change road availability and conditions" are really cute To be fair, yes it's reasonable to expect that if you've thought of it so have the people responsible for the project, but history is chock full of examples where that wasn't the case, too.
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Aug 19, 2016 17:10
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pr0zac posted:The folks in this thread that think the people working full time on self driving vehicles haven't considered problems like "GPS and available maps aren't always accurate" and "construction and other temporary events change road availability and conditions" are really cute. They just had a story about self-driving cars having issues in Australia because of continental drift causing maps and reality to not really match up. Yeah these things will be fixed but there are a load of fun issues ahead.
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Having a car make decisions about how to proceed through a construction zone or how to keep driving when there's 6" of unplowed snow and you can only tell where the road is based on the tracks in front of you are problems I'm sure the engineers are aware of but those seem to on a whole nother level than just 'use sensors to keep distance behind front vehicle and tires between the lines.'
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Aug 19, 2016 17:27
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Kobayashi posted:Can't wait for the landmark Supreme Court verdict that grants self-driving cars personhood so that Uber can fire the car for violating its contractor terms of service rather than be held liable for driving a bus full of nuns and orphans off a bridge. What a time to be alive.  , robutt rights will happen because of laziness and wanting to pass the buck, not because mankind realises its self aware and intelligent creations deserve to be treated as equals
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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why not just have drone trucks -- use the automated driving handle as much of the trip as it can, then hand-off to a remote operator in some transportation center somewhere to overcome obstacles the program doesn't believe it can handle
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Aug 19, 2016 18:57
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If the truck gets stuck or lost a giant drone flies in, lifts up the trailer, and flies it to another cab further along.
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pr0zac posted:The folks in this thread that think the people working full time on self driving vehicles haven't considered problems like "GPS and available maps aren't always accurate" and "construction and other temporary events change road availability and conditions" are really cute. "Make eye contact with a road guy and see that he's waving you on" is a LOT harder problem than "navigate roads using known landmarks and known automobile actions".
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lancemantis posted:why not just have drone trucks -- use the automated driving handle as much of the trip as it can, then hand-off to a remote operator in some transportation center somewhere to overcome obstacles the program doesn't believe it can handle I think the sorts of problems that would be hard for automated driving to handle are also the kind of things that would require more eyeballing or communication than someone teleoperating the truck from a remote center could do.
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Aug 19, 2016 19:37
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Mozi posted:If the truck gets stuck or lost a giant drone flies in, lifts up the trailer, and flies it to another cab further along. Why stop there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7LCf4nsOpI
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duz posted:Why stop there Has anyone actually figured out what Dahir Insaat is, besides an exercise in lovely design fiction? I checked out their website, but their only product seemed to be concrete panels, and they didn't have any actual photographs. All they had were a bunch of 3D renderings of pocket neighbourhoods built to discredited 1920s urban planning standards. And, um, references to certain other highly questionable 1920s ideologies... They also don't seem to explain how you transport heavy pre-cast concrete panels from their (presumably fictitious) factory to an actual construction site without breaking them all.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:"Make eye contact with a road guy and see that he's waving you on" is a LOT harder problem than "navigate roads using known landmarks and known automobile actions". If automated vehicles ever become even remotely commonplace it's hard for me to imagine that we wouldn't end up with some kind of signaling technology that flaggers can use to instruct a self driving car to wait. You'd obviously still need the car to have some ability to fall back and make a decision based on its own sensor data, but a little handheld device that signals "wait" or "all clear" doesn't seem too extreme.
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Paradoxish posted:If automated vehicles ever become even remotely commonplace it's hard for me to imagine that we wouldn't end up with some kind of signaling technology that flaggers can use to instruct a self driving car to wait. You'd obviously still need the car to have some ability to fall back and make a decision based on its own sensor data, but a little handheld device that signals "wait" or "all clear" doesn't seem too extreme. same except robotruck hijackers
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pr0zac posted:The folks in this thread that think the people working full time on self driving vehicles haven't considered problems like "GPS and available maps aren't always accurate" and "construction and other temporary events change road availability and conditions" are really cute. Then again, the people in the thread (and all over the internet) who are already making predictions about the kinds of social changes self-driving cars will cause ("it will cause the 1% of the population who are professional drivers to be unemployed!" "It will eliminate all traffic because the cars will be able to drive inches away from each other") are even cuter. We don't really know what self-driving cars are going to be like as a mass consumer product. The technology isn't nearly that mature. It's like we're in 1991 trying to guess what the internet was going to be like in 2016 based on what is happening with Gopher.
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e_angst posted:Gopher , which was, is, and forever will be superior to HTTP 
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e_angst posted:Then again, the people in the thread (and all over the internet) who are already making predictions about the kinds of social changes self-driving cars will cause ("it will cause the 1% of the population who are professional drivers to be unemployed!" "It will eliminate all traffic because the cars will be able to drive inches away from each other") are even cuter. We don't really know what self-driving cars are going to be like as a mass consumer product. The technology isn't nearly that mature. It's like we're in 1991 trying to guess what the internet was going to be like in 2016 based on what is happening with Gopher. So you're saying autodriving cars will be filled with porn?
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Mozi posted:So you're saying autodriving cars will be filled with porn? You pay more for those, because they have multiple camera angles.
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e_angst posted:It's like we're in 1991 trying to guess what the internet was going to be like in 2016 based on what is happening with Gopher.
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pr0zac posted:The folks in this thread that think the people working full time on self driving vehicles haven't considered problems like "GPS and available maps aren't always accurate" and "construction and other temporary events change road availability and conditions" are really cute.
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Keeshhound posted:Obviously they'll need babysitters for a while, but once the technology is proven to the point that people are comfortable with it I don't see a reason why they wouldn't phase out the oversight on the trips themselves, even if they have to keep a human on site to park. Because it'd be a government regulation to keep someone in the cab, not just a "whoa we better do this just in case" measure. As a reminder, planes basically fly themselves these days.
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computer parts posted:As a reminder, planes basically fly themselves these days.
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Gail Wynand posted:This right here is how I know you're full of poo poo. Its true in the sense that pilots spend most of their time telling the autopilot what to do instead of having their hands on the flight controls.
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hobbesmaster posted:Its true in the sense that pilots spend most of their time telling the autopilot what to do instead of having their hands on the flight controls.
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The better question to be asking is who's gonna fill the self driving trucks with gas?
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poemdexter posted:The better question to be asking is who's gonna fill the self driving trucks with gas? I wonder if self-driving trucks get creeped out when they go through Oregon and New Jersey
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poemdexter posted:The better question to be asking is who's gonna fill the self driving trucks with gas? Watch the rise of self driving trucks bring back the full service gas station.
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poemdexter posted:The better question to be asking is who's gonna fill the self driving trucks with gas? Of we get self driving trucks, the technology to have a fuel nozzle that can find and attach to a fuel nozzle is pretty simple.
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blowfish posted:
Will road salt be considered a hate crime? I mean, it provably vastly shortens vehicle lifespans...
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Gail Wynand posted:Only in cruise, and auto land actually involves higher pilot workload than regular landing. I thought the workload was more due to the pilots being required to secondguess the automated system (which is capable of landing on it's own?) I actually don't know. Non-awful weather landing shouldn't be a difficult problem to solve for cargo planes - and completely automated air cargo would take a lot of the human element out of the picture. Human pilots come in real handy when your tail rotor shatters, severing all hydraulic control lines and you still manage to keep 2/3 of your passengers alive by flying with differential-throttle between your surviving two engines. Inventing your own improvised control system in the air because the impossible just happened isn't something computers are well known for being good at. nm posted:Of we get self driving trucks, the technology to have a fuel nozzle that can find and attach to a fuel nozzle is pretty simple. Don't tesla chargers already do this? I recall Elon making a joke about not standing between your car and your charger.
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lancemantis posted:why not just have drone trucks -- use the automated driving handle as much of the trip as it can, then hand-off to a remote operator in some transportation center somewhere to overcome obstacles the program doesn't believe it can handle hmmm maybe we could even give these drone trucks their own right of way lane so they could go faster and avoid traffic and random obstacles, and then maybe link a lot of drone trucks so you have 50 of them at once so you just need one truck for fuel for efficiency that fuels them all to avoid fuel logistics, and then each carrying cargo containers that you could use an automated crane to lift off once they arrive at a depot, and put onto smaller human trucks for last stop delivery... what a world that could be... wonder what they might call such a crazy automated drone truck caravan like that
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poemdexter posted:The better question to be asking is who's gonna fill the self driving trucks with gas? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMM0lRfX6YI
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Harik posted:I thought the workload was more due to the pilots being required to secondguess the automated system (which is capable of landing on it's own?) I actually don't know. Non-awful weather landing shouldn't be a difficult problem to solve for cargo planes - and completely automated air cargo would take a lot of the human element out of the picture. Automated only landings actually significantly slow airport operations. Hand flown visual approaches are actually significantly faster because you can see the airplane in front of you. When weather is bad enough that only the best equipped runways can be used you get a bunch of weather delays. Nevermind that on every runway on earth right now a pilot needs to see it before the airplane touches down. Nothing is maintained to the required standard.
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Xaris posted:hmmm maybe we could even give these drone trucks their own right of way lane so they could go faster and avoid traffic and random obstacles, and then maybe link a lot of drone trucks so you have 50 of them at once so you just need one truck for fuel for efficiency that fuels them all to avoid fuel logistics, and then each carrying cargo containers that you could use an automated crane to lift off once they arrive at a depot, and put onto smaller human trucks for last stop delivery... what a world that could be... wonder what they might call such a crazy automated drone truck caravan like that The taxpayers would love giving corporations their own lane on the highways.
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hobbesmaster posted:Nothing is maintained to the required standard. Certainly not an issue for driverless trucks, I'm sure.
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Harik posted:Don't tesla chargers already do this? I recall Elon making a joke about not standing between your car and your charger. No, but they have prototypes.
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Automatic Slim posted:The taxpayers would love giving corporations their own lane on the highways. Xaris fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Not gonna lie, this is creepy as gently caress.
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poemdexter posted:Not gonna lie, this is creepy as gently caress. "Our customers totally want their charging experience to remind them of the more jarring scenes in Prometheus."
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