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Peel posted:Mel Mudkiper I was inspired by your posting in that thread to come here and ask after books by muslim authors, which I will now do: what are some good and/or cool books by muslim authors? the qur'an the rubiyat of khayyám the conference of the birds the diwan of rumi several additional centuries of good long form poetry after that
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Peel posted:Mel Mudkiper I was inspired by your posting in that thread to come here and ask after books by muslim authors, which I will now do: what are some good and/or cool books by muslim authors? Novels are a bit hard because Muslim cultures mostly do poetry. Plus, "Muslim writer" is tricky because there are writers who are casually Muslim from being part of a Muslim culture but do not explicitly write about Islam. For novels, I would recommend Nagib Mahfouz, Nihad Sirees, Alaa Al Aswany, Rabih Alemeddine, and there is an American Rajia Hassib. Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Aug 22, 2016 |
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DisDisDis posted:Speaking of Joyce, I've read up to 160 in Ulysses and I'm loving the prose and style but I'm having a hard time getting into anything that's happening in the story. Is there a hook further on or is it never going to grab me if it hasn't yet? I really liked Daedalus on the beach so if it gets really abstract again I might enjoy it more. I've liked Daedalus' scenes a lot more in general and it's been a long stretch of Bloom with the funeral and leaving the newspaper office so maybe once there's more D I'll enjoy it more. have u read the odyssey recently my man
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DisDisDis posted:Speaking of Joyce, I've read up to 160 in Ulysses and I'm loving the prose and style but I'm having a hard time getting into anything that's happening in the story. Is there a hook further on or is it never going to grab me if it hasn't yet? I really liked Daedalus on the beach so if it gets really abstract again I might enjoy it more. I've liked Daedalus' scenes a lot more in general and it's been a long stretch of Bloom with the funeral and leaving the newspaper office so maybe once there's more D I'll enjoy it more. I'm going to level with you and tell you to just loving finish it The thing that helped me was how much I liked Dubliners
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DisDisDis posted:Speaking of Joyce, I've read up to 160 in Ulysses and I'm loving the prose and style but I'm having a hard time getting into anything that's happening in the story. Is there a hook further on or is it never going to grab me if it hasn't yet? I really liked Daedalus on the beach so if it gets really abstract again I might enjoy it more. I've liked Daedalus' scenes a lot more in general and it's been a long stretch of Bloom with the funeral and leaving the newspaper office so maybe once there's more D I'll enjoy it more. There's not so much really to know about the story in a traditional sense beyond sort of details about the day, the particulars of each character's situation and whatever is there is not exactly spelt out for you. Like I don't know whether you picked up that Bloom has a shrivelled potato in his pocket and Dedalus doesn't have the key to his tower. And that Bloom said something to some guy about a horse in the Gold Cup later in the day. Those are things that are picked up on again and commented upon. Make of that what you will. I would say don't sweat it and just let things wash over you, since the book is never going to be understood 100% by any first time reader. The novel isn't about Joyce proving he was the cleverest little boy there ever was, it's a lot more democratic, believe me.
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J_RBG posted:There's not so much really to know about the story in a traditional sense beyond sort of details about the day, the particulars of each character's situation and whatever is there is not exactly spelt out for you. Like I don't know whether you picked up that Bloom has a shrivelled potato in his pocket and Dedalus doesn't have the key to his tower. And that Bloom said something to some guy about a horse in the Gold Cup later in the day. Those are things that are picked up on again and commented upon. Make of that what you will. I would say don't sweat it and just let things wash over you, since the book is never going to be understood 100% by any first time reader. The novel isn't about Joyce proving he was the cleverest little boy there ever was, it's a lot more democratic, believe me. When he's not doing the 'ineluctable modality of the visual' stuff it's not too difficult outside of a lot of references to Catholicism and Irish figures/lit and old slang I don't get. The style is what I'm enjoying most about it so far. What I'm struggling with is that the goings on throughout the day are pretty boring so far. I know it's never gonna be GR but I guess I'm wondering if it gets less dry. I got the key but didn't notice the potato, though I took a pretty long break between Bloom beginning the day/going to the funeral and what happened afterward. I might just have to go with what Twerkteam said though. Tree Goat posted:have u read the odyssey recently my man been a looong time but I read something about a lotus eaters bit and if close references to the odyssey start cropping up more I might get more excited about it.
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Peel posted:Mel Mudkiper I was inspired by your posting in that thread to come here and ask after books by muslim authors, which I will now do: what are some good and/or cool books by muslim authors? Leg Over Leg by Ahmad Faris al-Shidyaq sounds absolutely amazing but i haven't read it yet personally because my library ignored my request for it
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A human heart posted:Leg Over Leg by Ahmad Faris al-Shidyaq sounds absolutely amazing but i haven't read it yet personally because my library ignored my request for it it's good 
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Aug 23, 2016 02:37
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A read bit more and liked it so maybe I'm adjusting. Bloom making fun of policemen and vegetarians was funny.
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Officer Sandvich posted:it's good Cool
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re: muslim authors, along with ones mentioned earlier (esp. Naguib Mahfouz & Orhan Pamuk) def. read Tayeb Salih, his Season of Migration to the North is super short but very intense novel. Ahmadou Kourouma has some great angry, well written stuff about Africa. Sedagh Hedayat is a goon fav., and a good guy to read while tripping. I enjoyed Mohsin Hamid's The Reluctant Fundamentalist, even if I can't say it's Great Literature. Finally, from Central Asia, Chingiz Aytmatov didn't (or couldn't) self-identify as a muslim, but Islam plays an imporant role in his novels (which are fantastic).
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I just bought and read Candide from a thrift store. It was short, funny and good. It was like... Not a chore to read at all. Then I read a bunch of other Voltaire short stories that were included and they were all short sweet and reasonably interesting. Why don't people write like this after the 17th century. I don't have fond memories of most of that 19th century gothdreadtragichero stuff I had to read for school earlier
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FieryBalrog posted:I just bought and read Candide from a thrift store. It was short, funny and good. It was like... Not a chore to read at all. Here's a shocker: high school doesn't give you a very broad view of the history of literature. In fact it gives you a very, very, very, very [...] narrow view of the history of literature. I'm glad that you've noticed that classic books can be fun, but this kind of generalisations probably aren't helping you find more good stuff to read. (I mostly like goth dead stuff so I can't really recommend anything. Jonathan Swift?) Officer Sandvich posted:it's good I've also read The Perfumed Garden.
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FieryBalrog posted:I just bought and read Candide from a thrift store. It was short, funny and good. It was like... Not a chore to read at all. My favorite Voltaire is the story where a giant from Betelgeuse meets a giant from Jupiter and they come to Earth to make fun of Earth philosophers.
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DisDisDis posted:Speaking of Joyce, I've read up to 160 in Ulysses and I'm loving the prose and style but I'm having a hard time getting into anything that's happening in the story. Is there a hook further on or is it never going to grab me if it hasn't yet? I really liked Daedalus on the beach so if it gets really abstract again I might enjoy it more. I've liked Daedalus' scenes a lot more in general and it's been a long stretch of Bloom with the funeral and leaving the newspaper office so maybe once there's more D I'll enjoy it more. You are the exact opposite of me. Couldn't stand the Proteus chapter, didn't like Stephen but man that Bloom was just a wonderful character. It helps that we are privy to his every thought but he seems like such a good human being. Another thing to add to keep you moving along is that each chapter is written in a different style so if you don't like one of the chapters you can at least be happy knowing that the next will be different.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:You are the exact opposite of me. Couldn't stand the Proteus chapter, didn't like Stephen but man that Bloom was just a wonderful character. It helps that we are privy to his every thought but he seems like such a good human being. Another thing to add to keep you moving along is that each chapter is written in a different style so if you don't like one of the chapters you can at least be happy knowing that the next will be different. i read portrait of the artist several years before i read ulysses, so i clung to stephen as a familiar face, even though the connections between his characterization there and in ulysses are somewhat abstract. eventually, as the novel went on, and i became more used to bloom's circumstances as well as his common decency, i came to enjoy the bloom sections much more than the ones with stephen. in that sense, you could say i was a late bloomer.
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I'm a insanely smart guy so I most strongly identify with Dedalus.
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I prefer Buck, who's just there to gently caress
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Aug 23, 2016 15:27
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I like Stephen b/c I'm James Joyce IRL.
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i just wanted to make a pun...
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Ulysses' first four chapters were great for me cause at first Stephen was pretty cool, I enjoyed the tie to Portrait and reading about his mindset, but then his angsting and pretensions just started to loving get to me. And then you get to Bloom's first chapters and his internal monologue of "Oh hey, cat. Mmm, breakfast meat. What a nice day" is just such a loving breath of fresh air
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I think that part of the problem is that I read Portrait of the Artist as a teenager without any formal support and didn't really like it. I liked Dubliners so I should probably try reading Portrait again. It's not so much against Stephen but just how much I loved Bloom. And Kill Bill references are good
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The Secret Agent is basically a poor man's Man Who Was Thursday.
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You've got a hole in your brain.
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CestMoi posted:The Secret Agent is basically a poor man's Man Who Was Thursday. Never read Man Who Was Thursday but I ways really appreciated Secret Agent cause it felt like Conrad loving around outside his comfort zone and telling a compelling story in the process. Plus I love the way he skewers anarchists who really haven't changed at all in a century other than declining in relevance
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just got done the diary part of if on a winters night a traveler. laying it on a bit thick there
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Peel posted:Mel Mudkiper I was inspired by your posting in that thread to come here and ask after books by muslim authors, which I will now do: what are some good and/or cool books by muslim authors? new twist on an old thread favorite: read the koran
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at minimal a passing familiarity with the Koran will help you out alot understanding Islamic writers (well duh) even though those who are not actually muslim at all (hedyat) in the same way having a passing familiarity with the Bible helps out in western fiction alot.
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It's also much shorter than the Bible so you can skim it quickly & fake it convincingly for the rest of your life
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Aug 26, 2016 04:29
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Don't bother reading the Quran just read Conference of the Birds with all the cool footnotes.
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Mason & Dixon is cool although not much happens. The language is excellent and its pretty funny too. Im about 25% through it atm
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Peel posted:Mel Mudkiper I was inspired by your posting in that thread to come here and ask after books by muslim authors, which I will now do: what are some good and/or cool books by muslim authors? Late to the party but check out A Thousand Rooms of Dreams and Fear by Atiq Rahimi and The Corpse Exhibition by Hassan Blasim.
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CestMoi posted:Don't bother reading the Quran just read Conference of the Birds with all the cool footnotes. Was just looking at this. Is there a translation you like?
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DoctorG0nzo posted:You had an arse full of farts that night, darling, and I hosed them out of you, big fat fellows, long windy ones, quick little merry cracks and a lot of tiny little naughty farties ending in a long gush from your hole. It is wonderful to gently caress a farting woman when every gently caress drives one out of her. I think I would know Nora’s fart anywhere. I think I could pick hers out in a roomful of farting women. It is a rather girlish noise not like the wet windy fart which I imagine fat wives have. It is sudden and dry and dirty like what a bold girl would let off in fun in a school dormitory at night. I hope Nora will let off no end of her farts in my face so that I may know their smell also. the craziest part about those James Joyce erotic letters is how well-written they are. our first reaction is repulsion, but over the years, as i've returned to those letters, that feeling has gone away. i just like them now. it actually reminds me of the discussion of Gravity's Rainbow from a few pages back. i think sometimes GR gets lumped into the category of 'i dare you to read this hosed up poo poo' fiction with, like, Chuck Palahniuk. and i don't think it belongs in that category. it's like how people get convinced to play Dwarf Fortress (the video game equivalent of GR, obviously) by hearing from someone 'dude, you have to play this game, your dwarves can all get dismembered!' and then they play it, and hopefully find out that it's much more than just a series of ridiculous events. i wonder if we maybe do GR a disservice when we focus so much on the more extreme things that happen. but i guess those descriptions of disparate scenes out of context are convincing people to read GR, so who am i to question it. also i was a bit troubled by the scene with Slothrop and Bianca when i first read it, but reading about how Bianca is clearly actually older than Slothrop thinks she is made it easier to swallow.
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Schmischmenjamin posted:the craziest part about those James Joyce erotic letters is how well-written they are. our first reaction is repulsion, but over the years, as i've returned to those letters, that feeling has gone away. i just like them now. This is pretty goony, but I get it Also, humor can be beautiful and intelligent
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Schmischmenjamin posted:the craziest part about those James Joyce erotic letters is how well-written they are. our first reaction is repulsion, but over the years, as i've returned to those letters, that feeling has gone away. i just like them now. I'm sorry for your post.
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Ben Nevis posted:Was just looking at this. Is there a translation you like? I've only read the Penguin one, but it's very nice. The footnotes are really good, even if you're not at all familiar with Islamic theology.
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CestMoi posted:I'm sorry for your post. 
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