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I watched all of the Season 1 BTS. The very first one was great, where Sangmin found garnet and he IMMEDIATELY monologued and then he left and then when he found out it was Jinho's he came back and monologued again and the producers were basically like "What a waste of time." I also liked the one where Jinho basically kept asking the dealer questions about how Open / Pass worked, right down to the procedure. You can see he was trying to break the game. Also loved Sunggyu x Jinho talking about how they wouldn't betray each other for like two minutes and then a giant caption appears that basically said "This was a conversation between BETRAYAL MASTER SUNGGYU who has betrayed someone every episode, and Jinho, who has gotten backstabbed twice." -- And then I moved onto the first ep of Season 2! I...really do not like the cast for this one. Especially creepy smiley guy. He looks like he's just there to be a chaos player...like a guy who will backstab and mess things up for no reason other than he could. Basically, the Worst Teammate™. But by far the worst was luckily the first guy eliminated. He was so cocksure, holy poo poo. He didn't understand why people wouldn't just do exactly as he says all the time, and he got mad at another player for thinking about her alliance rather than what he wanted. So self-centered. Strangely enough, he was not self-centered enough during the deathmatch, because he had his teammates call out if they had big cards, whereas the girl explicitly told her teammates what she needed for the optimal result and...well, the results speak for themselves. She secured a win pretty convincingly. I agree with Sangmin though. Season 2's cast is a bit...blah compared to Season 1.
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Just starting the semi-final of Season Three now. I am hoping for a Min Min Twins final because it'd be nice for their long term plan to come to fruition because they are clearly the two best players. Their alliance did give them an advantage but it was just the two of them and when they started it there were eight or nine other players so they played well as opposed to sheer weight of numbers. I don't really like Yeonseung either. He had two good Death Matches and a great Main Match in the second horse race but for the most part he was just caught up in the current of other players which is funny because he declined Dongmin's great deal to be "independent" then just got told to do whatever Yoohyun wanted. He's also just fairly boring and doesn't interest me at all as a player tbh. In the final I'd like Hyunmin to win because I want Dongmin back in Season Four but I don't want any season winners in Season Four. I didn't feel bad about Yeonjoo going out for failing to call "impossible" on Dongmin's move at all. If she had won it would have been solely because Dongmin imploded, not that she would have done badly but right from the start he blew it so we never got to see if she'd have been good at it because she got the perfect scenario twice in a row. I was also impressed by Dongmin's unwavering confidence which must have gone a long way in making her feel self-doubt. Yeonjoo was also the person who ruined Dongmin's perfect Yoohyun/Yeonseung elimination plan so this was balance. To defend my main babe Hyunmin even more I'd like to point out that Jinho did two things that the thread would have crucified Hyunmin for in this episode. Jinho mentions making someone come last as well as thinking about pulling out of the four person starting bid. I don't blame Jinho for these or think they're bad things I just think it's funny that the thread was constantly looking down on Hyunmin for making people last and claiming "Jinho would just find a way to win" and then that happened. Jinho also picked Hyunmin as his successor basically so gently caress all ya'll haters.
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Aug 27, 2016 14:09
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EmmyOk posted:To defend my main babe Hyunmin even more I'd like to point out that Jinho did two things that the thread would have crucified Hyunmin for in this episode. Jinho mentions making someone come last as well as thinking about pulling out of the four person starting bid. I don't blame Jinho for these or think they're bad things I just think it's funny that the thread was constantly looking down on Hyunmin for making people last and claiming "Jinho would just find a way to win" and then that happened. Jinho also picked Hyunmin as his successor basically so gently caress all ya'll haters. Pretty much. Whether "I can make someone last" is a thing or not is a matter of game design, not players. How do you make anyone last in most of the games of s1? With the exception of E3, there's no obvious way of making someone else last... and you know what? That's what the big group did. They didn't perform a clever trick to get one of theirs ahead, they just played an oppressive game that meant the other team couldn't play.
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Aug 27, 2016 14:46
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Exercu posted:Yeah, I'd put the death matches in four rough categories. I'd be interested to see your Monorail solution if that implies you have one. I found a player 1 solution, technically 4 solutions if you count rotations of it and I'm pretty sure there are more. 12 Janggi as another perfect information game is theoretically solvable certainly but there are about a billion game states so no-one is going to memorise the entire game tree
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Blue Star Error posted:I'd be interested to see your Monorail solution if that implies you have one. I found a player 1 solution, technically 4 solutions if you count rotations of it and I'm pretty sure there are more. 12 Janggi as another perfect information game is theoretically solvable certainly but there are about a billion game states so no-one is going to memorise the entire game tree Regarding Janggi - that's why I added the "technically". Because it's only very technically solved, yeah. For humans, it's not. I don't actually have a solution to monorail myself. But it's clear that it's solvable in a way most other games aren't (being an impartial game). I'm kind of curious about your solution. Does it fixate the track on the first player move? I suppose it would almost have to in order to force a win. edit: so my phrasing that monorail is solved was probably a bit too strong. It's definitely solvable. double edit: On the other hand, if the first player hasn't prepared a winning move, he can still play something that's a proven losing move, but deep enough that the opponent probably can't play it perfectly Exercu fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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First move:code:code:I think if you are the first player and you don't have a solution the best strategy is to play one tile, as the more fixed the track is the easier it is to come up with a winning move.
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Blue Star Error posted:[Elegant solution was here] Huh. That's actually a really elegant first move. I had a feeling it would have to be mostly symmetrical to let P1 benefit from mirroring.
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re: making people come in last, there's a bit of a difference between "let's me and my friends help each other out so none of us finish in last place" and "let's all focus fire on one person and totally strongarm them into last so it's not us." The former is definitely a little less fun, I don't dislike Hyunmin for it or anything but one of the reasons it gets talked about around here I think is that I think a lot of people see it as a factor in why Hyunmin didn't get jack poo poo support from the eliminated contestants in the finale, although, of course, Dongmin being the older professional vs a young know-it-all student is probably another
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Fast Luck posted:re: making people come in last, there's a bit of a difference between "let's me and my friends help each other out so none of us finish in last place" and "let's all focus fire on one person and totally strongarm them into last so it's not us." The former is definitely a little less fun, I don't dislike Hyunmin for it or anything but one of the reasons it gets talked about around here I think is that I think a lot of people see it as a factor in why Hyunmin didn't get jack poo poo support from the eliminated contestants in the finale, although, of course, Dongmin being the older professional vs a young know-it-all student is probably another It's this and also that the strongarming was mixed in with image preservation so you ended up with shitshows like the insufferable first Middle Race where the result was decided from the start but no one wanted to pull the trigger for actual in-filming hours.
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Aug 27, 2016 22:44
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I can't watch the last two episodes for a while so I watched the first half of Crim Scene S01E01 and Henry is why the word odious was invented.
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EmmyOk posted:I can't watch the last two episodes for a while so I watched the first half of Crim Scene S01E01 and Henry is why the word odious was invented. They get rid of him starting with the third case, which is unfortunately episode 5.
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Aug 28, 2016 02:37
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Our rewatch is up to the King Game in season 2 and holy poo poo how did I forget the twist?! Such an incredibly satisfying episode with perfect editing and music.
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Aug 28, 2016 05:17
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Shabadu posted:Our rewatch is up to the King Game in season 2 and holy poo poo how did I forget the twist?! Such an incredibly satisfying episode with perfect editing and music. I just saw this it was SO GOOD doohee on point
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Aug 28, 2016 05:22
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JINHO NO WHY EDIT: In my haste I didn't realise I was the last person to post in the thread (sorry!) but homg my heart that was like crazy amounts of bad luck Artelier fucked around with this message at 10:23 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Aug 28, 2016 10:21
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Artelier posted:JINHO NO WHY Double posts are fine now and then when something crazy happened imo! Yeah literally the only thing that could beat Jinho was luck, Jiwon's strategy was actually given to him by Yohwan who is a poker pro atm. 
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Aug 28, 2016 13:05
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Is there another source for the season 2-4 eps besides dailymotion? All the videos there go completely black after 30 seconds and all the alternative download links are dead/redirect to nothing of use.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:08
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I use a plugin to pull them down from DM
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Aug 28, 2016 16:09
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I use convert2mp3.net which is fine and dandy, essential when you run into a youtube video blocked for your region. My fave BTS is The Gigglefit. You'll know when you see it.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:53
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youtube-dl is excellent if you have some command line skills.
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Aug 28, 2016 16:59
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On the second case and enjoying it but Henry and his forced quirkiness and long theories about nothing are the worst. Rest of the car is great and of course perfect boy Jinho is class president.
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But but... HE'S DOWSING FOR CLUES? How can you not love that?
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BSam posted:But but... HE'S DOWSING FOR CLUES? It worked in Liar Game!
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quote:Basically, there’s a lot of factors preventing Season 3 from happening. Crime Scene isn’t a show that anyone can produce. The writers for Crime Scene are now working on other projects. Producing Crime Scene requires 10 months of extensive preparation. So, it’s not ideal for them to pluck the writers away from their current projects to reform the Crime Scene team. Also, there’s extremely high expectations and standards for Season 3. Unless everything falls into place, they won’t begin producing Season 3. Also, Yoon Hyun-joon CP is the guy managing the Two Yoo Project. Two Yoo Project Season 2 will happen before Crime Scene Season 3 (if it ever happens). 
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Henry got criticised for being dumb on the first case and says he will be more serious than begins to listen to the crime scene and just start making up tonnes of facts again, yeesh. That said the first two cases are fun so far. For The Genius S03E11 should I just skip to the Death Match or finally google Yutnori rules?
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EmmyOk posted:Henry got criticised for being dumb on the first case and says he will be more serious than begins to listen to the crime scene and just start making up tonnes of facts again, yeesh. That said the first two cases are fun so far. That match was the thing that finally made Yutnori click for me, so I would just watch it.
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Yutnori is ludo but instead of dice there are marked sticks. Number of marks is number of steps with a few caveats. One mark is one back, zero marks is five forward and zero and four both give an extra throw. So: zero marks is five steps + one more throw. one mark is one step back. two marks is two steps. three marks is three steps four marks is four steps+1throw Landing on another player's piece gives you an extra throw and sends theirs back to the beginning Landing on a corner lets you use the shorter path from there. Landing on your own piece lets you stack them. You can now move both at the same time and lose both at the same time. The end Exercu fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Aug 29, 2016 14:31
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EmmyOk posted:For The Genius S03E11 should I just skip to the Death Match or finally google Yutnori rules? S3E11's main match is just Liar's Dice. Knowing Yutnori rules is more of a bonus there than a requirement.
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So I binged with my attention half on for the rest of Season 2 and overall I'd say it definitely has good moments, with God's Judgment being the best overall episode even though my heart just gave out. I'm going to start spoilering too in case of new people and I think I'm almost caught up to the guy who was ahead of me. All in all, I thought Season 2 was weak because there was too much social gaming. I'm not sure if it was meant to be designed that way, but because of how strong the alliances were and how quickly the people that could figure out games were defeated, it meant that the only players left were people who worked best as a team...and Sangmin was the best at manipulating the team. He also had so many advantages through pure luck, and Yohwan was basically an idiot for leading him to the Token of Immortality (which he didn't need in the end, but still) Junghyung ended up being my favourite of the new cast easily. He was quite bad at figuring out new things, but he was so earnest and his poker face game was on point. I also love how he was like the Team Dad, and he even wanted everyone to have reunions at the end! Hilarious. He was also decent at strategising when it came to games he understood, he just didn't take into account other players. Yohwan was a loving idiot though. It's not even about the losing streak that he had or whatever. It's more, he'd come up with strats that if nothing else, seem reasonable if not optimal...and then undermine his own strategy for no gain. Constantly. Over, and over, and over again. This was so obvious in the NotSnakesAndLadders game where he agreed to comply with the team's tosses and in turn one sabotaged his own team. Like. Why. And the one with the numbers bidding he was just..uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurghhhhghggh. I really like Duuhee, and was sad to see him get locked out of the game like that. It's one thing to lock someone out due to game mechanics, it's another to lock someone out due to them being careless in a moment of excitement...on an entertainment show. He was still in the room where the theft happened...wasn't theft not allowed? Does that not count as theft though? Or maybe it did and they're not sure of the consequences. Then Sangmin hosed him over again, which was great for the reaction. I felt bad for him but at least Sangmin screwed him over with the intended mechanics rather than just going "Nope you attended but can't play, sorry." We never did find out if Jinho could have had a way to turn the tables by playing with two cards either. Yoonsun was great, wish she lasted longer. Strong player and different than the rest. Great to see the Season 1 cast clown the rest on their return though, and good on Junseok for seeing the betrayal coming. Overall, fun stuff, but quite a big step down from season 1 ONTO SEASON THREE I am halfway through the first ep and I really like Dongmin. He seems reasonable and level headed and thinking of the rules. Was a bit miffed at the return of Hweejong but found it cute that he admitted that as a teacher, he just can't help but want to tell others about everything he knows.
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I'll finish season 3 tonight so I reckon we only need to spoiler session 4 for now cos you'll overtake me. I think new people are infrequent enough that we'll notice if one turns up.
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Dragonatrix posted:S3E11's main match is just Liar's Dice. Knowing Yutnori rules is more of a bonus there than a requirement. You should watch that main match because it has a great finish.
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My main man, Execru, gave a top dollar explanation so I definitely will now. It's way easier than wikipedia made out  On Crime Scene E5 and am in love with Banggeul so it's a shame she leaves for Kang soon. In the second case they all should have picked jack like I did based on evidence foundAlso I am praying this detective in Case Three gets it right or I'll feel so bad for him. IMO it's not big deal if he's wrong but on a national stage I want him to succeed. e: also lmao at the first two pairs badmouthing each other and then Jiyoon and Jinho both being like "yep I'm with the other smart person"
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I'm halfway through S2E10. I don't get this game at all. I've played plenty of complicated werewolf/mafia games and I can't wrap my brain around this one's meta.
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Can someone clarify the prize money in this show? Are the Bumdy subtitle translations for the dollar values just for simplicity or is that what they are actually winning each episode/season? Is that considered a lot of money?
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FAT BATMAN posted:I'm halfway through S2E10. I don't get this game at all. I've played plenty of complicated werewolf/mafia games and I can't wrap my brain around this one's meta. Do you mean episode one? The food chain game sounds more similar to what you're saying than the elevator game.
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xcore posted:Can someone clarify the prize money in this show? Are the Bumdy subtitle translations for the dollar values just for simplicity or is that what they are actually winning each episode/season? Is that considered a lot of money? Each garnet is about a thousand USD, give or take. Only the winner of the entire season gets to cash out his garnets.
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Aug 31, 2016 02:22
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The episode before Elevator game, the one where Super Junior joins them. It ended up not mattering what the meta was once Yohwan threw the game.
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xcore posted:Can someone clarify the prize money in this show? Are the Bumdy subtitle translations for the dollar values just for simplicity or is that what they are actually winning each episode/season? Is that considered a lot of money? I believe the subtitles just divide the amount of Korean Won by 1000, which is the rule of thumb approximate exchange rate. So the real prize is the subtitled dollar amount times 1000, in Won. I think "$10,000" goes a bit further in Korea than $10,000 in the US in terms of living expenses (insert a million caveats here, I'm speaking incredibly broadly), so you should be slightly more wowed by the prizes than you might otherwise be at their face value.
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FAT BATMAN posted:The episode before Elevator game, the one where Super Junior joins them. It ended up not mattering what the meta was once Yohwan threw the game. I couldn't wrap my head around this too but surprise surprise, Yohwan hosed it up again. So many episodes which had people (mainly him) tanking, makes season 2 not as clever for the most part.
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Artelier posted:I couldn't wrap my head around this too but surprise surprise, Yohwan hosed it up again.
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Comrade Gorbash posted:To be honest I think they kind of half-assed the explanation in the actual broadcast because they knew it didn't matter. "The next game is . . .you know what, Yohwan looses. Enjoy."
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