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Apoplexy posted:You fuckin' kidding with this poo poo? EVER or just not on a re-watch? because all of those are great episodes. Ehhh Sons of Mogh is not great imo. And the ending "solution" is total nonsense.
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What's Rod doing? The only thing I see out of him is sometimes being behind the scenes on the Mission Log podcast.
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Aug 29, 2016 11:19
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Met posted:What's Rod doing? The only thing I see out of him is sometimes being behind the scenes on the Mission Log podcast. Just every quote they put in the book has him sounding arrogant as gently caress. https://books.google.com/books?id=K...g%20dad&f=false
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Aug 29, 2016 11:22
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A Fancy Bloke posted:I have been reading this the past couple weeks. It's amazing how many people they were able to get on record talking about how petty, lecherous, and awful Gene was. He really does not come across well in the book. If you were named Rod Roddenberry, wouldn't you be a shithead?
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Aug 29, 2016 11:28
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A Fancy Bloke posted:Ehhh Sons of Mogh is not great imo. And the ending "solution" is total nonsense. I disagree. I think it's the only moral option they had.
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Aug 29, 2016 11:29
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A Fancy Bloke posted:Ehhh Sons of Mogh is not great imo. And the ending "solution" is total nonsense. Sons of Mogh should have been the start of a spinoff of Kurn: Morose Bajoran Security Officer and not a deadend C-plot wrap up. DS9 should have kicked off a single-season miniseries each year. You could have "The Adventures of Laas: Changeling, rear end in a top hat". Or "We're So Sorry: Tales of the Continuing Skrreean Exodus"
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Aug 29, 2016 11:31
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Do you think Worf felt bad when like 2 years later his family was in good graces with the Empire again and he consigned his brother to a miserable, non-glorious existence?
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Aug 29, 2016 11:33
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shadow puppet of a posted:Sons of Mogh should have been the start of a spinoff of Kurn: Morose Bajoran Security Officer and not a deadend C-plot wrap up. I would unironically watch each and every one of these things. Although S7 could've had two: One for Laas, one for Somehow Not-Evil Weyoun, where he bumbles around Dominion-occupied Cardassia going from genocide to genocide with a disdainful affect.
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Aug 29, 2016 11:39
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A Fancy Bloke posted:Do you think Worf felt bad when like 2 years later his family was in good graces with the Empire again and he consigned his brother to a miserable, non-glorious existence? As is evidenced by his behavior towards Kurn, he has no consideration for his behavior. He simply does what he thinks is right and hopes the world acknowledges it as such, when it's rarely ever the case from a logical, more social standpoint. No, Worf. Don't shoot at stuff without knowing what it is first. No, Worf. Don't save your wife, save the Cardassian who is risking his life to get the Good Guys intel on the ongoing Dominion occupation of half the quadrant.
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Aug 29, 2016 11:41
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Apoplexy posted:You fuckin' kidding with this poo poo? EVER or just not on a re-watch? because all of those are great episodes. Just during the rewatch. Of course I've seen it all. Though some not in 10 years.
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Aug 29, 2016 13:19
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I like the big hot Dabo girl with giant tits who was like 27 and also the girlfriend of 15yo Jake sisko
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Gatekeeper posted:I like the big hot Dabo girl with giant tits who was like 27 and also the girlfriend of 15yo Jake sisko hahaha and his dad was like WHOA JAKE no one in this family mixes with those dirty crinklenoses
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Aug 29, 2016 16:09
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Apoplexy posted:As is evidenced by his behavior towards Kurn, he has no consideration for his behavior. He simply does what he thinks is right and hopes the world acknowledges it as such, when it's rarely ever the case from a logical, more social standpoint. No, Worf. Don't shoot at stuff without knowing what it is first. No, Worf. Don't save your wife, save the Cardassian who is risking his life to get the Good Guys intel on the ongoing Dominion occupation of half the quadrant. actually worf is right like 90% of the time worf we're gonna ignore you and help the pakleds oh poo poo who could have predicted this would go wrong
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Aug 29, 2016 16:42
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I was typing up a long effort-post about how to improve Voyager but I feel like posting it here would be a waste, especially since it's so long.
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HeartPlug posted:I was typing up a long effort-post about how to improve Voyager but I feel like posting it here would be a waste, especially since it's so long. please do
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Aug 29, 2016 17:08
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The most fun I had in STO was unloading on any and every Intrepid class I could find in my B'rel
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Apoplexy posted:If you were named Rod Roddenberry, wouldn't you be a shithead? Either that or an announcer on The Price Is Right.
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HeartPlug posted:I was typing up a long effort-post about how to improve Voyager but I feel like posting it here would be a waste, especially since it's so long. if it's the typical "improve voyager" effort post it's going to be like "blahblah make it have stakes blahblah battlestar galactica blah resets blah supply constraints blah year of hell blah actors allowed to act blah" Gatekeeper posted:I like the big hot Dabo girl with giant tits who was like 27 and also the girlfriend of 15yo Jake sisko 
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Nation posted:please do Alright Fat Shat Sings posted:if it's the typical "improve voyager" effort post it's going to be like "blahblah make it have stakes blahblah battlestar galactica blah resets blah supply constraints blah year of hell blah actors allowed to act blah" Oh, nevermind To be fair one of my main sticking points was having the Maquis be idealistically opposed to the Federation instead of a bunch of angry settlers who got pushed off their land HeartPlug fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Aug 29, 2016 18:06
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corn in the bible posted:actually worf is right like 90% of the time Can we talk about how he's a loving ATROCIOUS father? Leaves his kid with his elderly grandparents because a starship is no place for a kid. You know.. that starship he serves on as chief of security that is full of loving kids and has a full time counselor? Then he's just a grumpy dick all the time to him. Pushing the honor poo poo on him constantly when his mother wouldn't have approved and also Worf is dishonorable as gently caress in many cases. It's bad enough that eventually Alexander ends up on a Bird of Prey presumably to impress the father who never gave his approval. Who Worf then treats like poo poo in that aspect too.
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Apoplexy posted:If you were named Rod Roddenberry, wouldn't you be a shithead? Do you think he ever thought "burying the rod  " to himself while loving?
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Fat Shat Sings posted:if it's the typical "improve voyager" effort post it's going to be like "blahblah make it have stakes blahblah battlestar galactica blah resets blah supply constraints blah year of hell blah actors allowed to act blah" Okay then, let's come up with new ones. Voyager should have been a musical. Like Cop Rock, but done right, and also in space. With Delta Quadrant themed songs, like rap battles between Kazon factions. What Voyager really needed was gritty realism. Like in a typical episode they fly to New York and it's 1971 and Harry witnesses a murder but if he testifies the Mob will come after him. Four little words: gratuitous Neelix nude scene. Go!
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Powered Descent posted:Okay then, let's come up with new ones. What Voyager really needed was more holodeck episodes. The holodeck could become a character and fall in love with the Doctor. And the Doctor likes her but thinks that they shouldn't base a relationship on their one common denominator being that they're holograms.
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What Voyager really needed was to take place in a women's prison and Janeway is in charge of the kitchen- but for how long?
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A Fancy Bloke posted:Can we talk about how he's a loving ATROCIOUS father? Alexander is the Harry Kim of the Klingon race. He had it coming. e: but then again had he had a Curzon Dax in his life he would've been awesome.
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lmao I kept waiting for them to drop some twist like she wanted to marry Jake for a federation green card or she was playin Jake and really she wanted the emissary's orbs on her chin but nope she's just a Dabo girl with a heart of gold paying her college tuition one slip of gold pressed latinum at a time
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wow sperg alpha says chase Masterson was originally cast as jake's stripper gf but then someone finally realized how ridiculous that was, so they cast someone only a decade older than Jake instead of someone the same age as the 15 year old kid's mom.
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The Kazon would have been fine villains if Voyager was just a big 7-season long Star Trek inspired TV version of 1979's The Warriors.
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HeartPlug posted:Alright One of the problems with making the Maquis compelling is that the Federation is actually pretty decent and it's tough to empathize with a group of people who would rather fight kill and be killed by alien fascists for their land instead of resettling on class M planets of their choice that aren't suddenly located inside the borders of the aforementioned alien fascists I mean I get it, they got screwed over by the peace treaty or whatever but it's not like 21st century Earth where when that happens people just get totally hosed and that's it, no help or further consideration. It's the future and they could have gone anywhere and done anything but instead they repeatedly chose to try and instigate a full interstellar war so they wouldn't have to loving move
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Tighclops posted:One of the problems with making the Maquis compelling is that the Federation is actually pretty decent and it's tough to empathize with a group of people who would rather fight kill and be killed by alien fascists for their land instead of resettling on class M planets of their choice that aren't suddenly located inside the borders of the aforementioned alien fascists didn't you see the ones with the indians
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also when you live in a land of infinite energy / matter energy conversion and limitless planets it's kind of hard to side with a bunch of jerks that want to go to war over Desert Planet 1b or lovely Marsh Planet 3c. Even then it had only been a few years that they lived in each place. "Oh you'll resettle us to a planet of our choice with infinite supplies and industrial capability? .....ok"
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cheerfullydrab posted:The Kazon would have been fine villains if Voyager was just a big 7-season long Star Trek inspired TV version of 1979's The Warriors. The Karon would have been cool as a super low tech race that really wants that Voyager tech and just harass them constantly via pirate fleets of small frigates constantly trying to board. Not a massive threat but one that constantly drains resources to deal with and occasionally screws them up due to complacency or something but instead we got... that
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Tighclops posted:One of the problems with making the Maquis compelling is that the Federation is actually pretty decent That's why I was thinking it makes more sense for them (if we had our druthers) to willingly leave the Federation. Who would leave the Federation? -Religious extremists probably worshiping one of Star Trek' s many not-Gods -People who think it's their right to become Khanlike superhumans -People looking to achieve the Singularity (reverse Data cyborgs) -Pissed off pre-Warp civilizations that didn't agree with the Prime Directive and leave the Federation to actively spite them and give Federation tech to every planet they come across -lost human colonies that achieved similar technologies but vastly different governments and ethos -sympathizers with any of the above HeartPlug fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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HeartPlug posted:That's why I was thinking it makes more sense for them (if we had our druthers) to willingly leave the Federation. Who would leave the Federation? This would make the most sense to me, and why Starfleet Officers would be willingly going over in such numbers. Instead of "You sat by while Cardassians enacted their legal rights over territory they owned and let them remove squatters that had no ties to the land WHICH IS WHY I GAVE UP MY COMMISSION" it becomes "How many times have we saw a disease or a natural disaster kill? How many have died? Regulus 4 the volcanic planet? 3 million. Advan 2? 10 million. Hundreds of millions have died to preserve your ideals and your prime directive" and then you have people that saw thousands of children die of diseases but didn't do anything because of the Prime Directive actually having a reason to go over to the Maquis. Which would have caused conflict on Voyager as Janeway would be struggling with the Prime Directive herself and having an organized outspoken group against letting tens of millions of people starve because of the prime directive or whatever
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It'd be one thing if they went out and did that but instead they chose to get wiped out over some inconsequential series of solar systems only Cardassians and they cared about.
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Q worshiper. "I swear, I told them not to worship me but they thought it was a test."
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Moridin920 posted:It'd be one thing if they went out and did that but instead they chose to get wiped out over some inconsequential series of solar systems only Cardassians and they cared about. some of those planets were complete garbage. The one in TNG was just a shithole desert planet and their big deal was that they built an aqueduct to move enough water to make the place not a scorching hellhole. They can be given a complete M Class lush verdant planet and a permanent claim over it with federation support but no. Dudes grandpa dug a ditch so lets go to war.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:didn't you see the ones with the indians That was great when the indians decided to leave the Federation to stay on the planet where their connection to their spirit guides were strong. Picard was so gobstruck and the Cardassians completely respected the sheer balls of the decision.
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