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Smash is a fighting game. it's a platform fighter, which is a subgenre of fighting games distinct from the typical 1v1 Street Fighter/MK/Tekken type stuff, but that doesn't make it "not a fighting game." Overwatch is a significantly different game than Quake 3 CPMA without a ton of player overlap, but I don't see anyone calling either of those "not an FPS."
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anime was right posted:who designed alpha 2 and vs neo_g newest game kof14
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like, if the main goal of a video game is to just beat the tar out of your opponent(s) until you're the last one standing, it's a fighting game. the specific mechanics might put it in a weird subgenre of fighting games, but they don't make it an entirely different genre.
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anime was right posted:also cvs2 Smoking Crow posted:neo_g
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Aug 31, 2016 21:35
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:like, if the main goal of a video game is to just beat the tar out of your opponent(s) until you're the last one standing, it's a fighting game. the specific mechanics might put it in a weird subgenre of fighting games, but they don't make it an entirely different genre.
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dangerdoom volvo posted:smash is not a fighting game. 3rd strike is bad. virtua fighter is good wanna subscribe to your newsletter
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Endorph posted:my favorite fighting game, fire emblem if there were a multiplayer FE where each player controlled one character and battles were self-contained rounds rather than being part of a story mode, I would totally consider it a fighting game. it would be, like Smash, in a weird subgenre that it would likely have all to itself, but it would still be a fighting game. chivalry: medieval warfare was actually the oddball example I was going to use, but you kinda beat me to it with your Brutal Own
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Smash is a fighting game. it's a platform fighter, which is a subgenre of fighting games distinct from the typical 1v1 Street Fighter/MK/Tekken type stuff, but that doesn't make it "not a fighting game." Overwatch is a significantly different game than Quake 3 CPMA without a ton of player overlap, but I don't see anyone calling either of those "not an FPS." This analogy doesn't work very well because FPS is a pretty obvious and well-defined genre (if it's in first-person perspective and you shoot people, it's an FPS). The fighting game genre is much harder to define and you can't really go on the name alone. Whatever you want to call it, Smash belongs to a different genre than Street Fighter.
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Aug 31, 2016 21:39
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if we can ever actually arrive at a definitive answer of if smash is a fighting game would it actually change anything
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Aug 31, 2016 21:39
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anime was right posted:kappa posters are also not fighting game players btw neither are goons
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Smoking Crow posted:neo_g he joined halfway through dev though cant wait for the next neog directed game though also on his resume is mvc2 and 3 also like every single good capcom action game period
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Aug 31, 2016 21:41
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mario bros arcade is a fighting game
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Fereydun posted:he joined halfway through dev though look forward to samsho7
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:if there were a multiplayer FE where each player controlled one character and battles were self-contained rounds rather than being part of a story mode, I would totally consider it a fighting game.
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Aug 31, 2016 21:42
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Smash is a fighting game where instead of corners you have pits and instead of light/medium/heavy buttons you have up/down/forward buttons, and instead of chip death you have not being able to land a killing blow until their damage is so high a light normal or a throw kills them. You can also instant-kill your opponent at any point in a match and feel incredibly powerful.
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Aug 31, 2016 21:43
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did kof get patched yet? i'm still playing on in jupiter gravity
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well, you usually wind up controlling 5-10 characters, but still, you control 3 characters in marvel and stuff so idk why that'd disqualify it
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Aug 31, 2016 21:43
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Real hurthling! posted:did kof get patched yet? i'm still playing on in jupiter gravity Not yet, the patch is probably done but it hasn't been approved by sony yet
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Aug 31, 2016 21:44
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how can smash be a real fighting game when fighting games aren't real
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a fighting game is a game based on SFII that's how you can get something like ea sports presents ufc, which is kinda a fighting game by definition, not be in the fighting game genre
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Aug 31, 2016 21:47
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Garnavis posted:This analogy doesn't work very well because FPS is a pretty obvious and well-defined genre (if it's in first-person perspective and you shoot people, it's an FPS). The fighting game genre is much harder to define and you can't really go on the name alone. well, if it's not a fighting game, what is it? the key differences between Smash and Street Fighter are simpler movesets, complex stage designs that actually affect the gameplay rather than being purely cosmetic, and having more options than 1v1; the "knocking opponents off the stage" mechanic could also be taken as a difference, but you can actually turn that off and play stamina mode instead, which uses a more traditional health system. those all make it a different experience than Street Fighter, but not to an extent that I would consider it a different genre. Mintergalactic posted:if we can ever actually arrive at a definitive answer of if smash is a fighting game would it actually change anything well the autistic "SMASH NO FIGHTAN GAEM" bleating that comes up every time anyone mentions Smash would stop and that would be cool Endorph posted:that exists Endorph posted:well, you usually wind up controlling 5-10 characters, but still, you control 3 characters in marvel and stuff so idk why that'd disqualify it well, in Marvel you only have one out at a time, even if there's 3 on your team. still, though, yeah, I'd probably consider that a fighting game, if a very, very unconventional one. (I'd also appreciate a link because that sounds rad as gently caress)
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My favorite fighting game, Doom
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:well the autistic "SMASH NO FIGHTAN GAEM" bleating that comes up every time anyone mentions Smash would stop and that would be cool actually it would be cool if we discussed fighting games in the fighting game thread, instead of noted non-fighting games such as smash, as per the OP
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Aug 31, 2016 21:48
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please do not go down the dark path of the roguelike thread
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Aug 31, 2016 21:49
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man was a two legged animal without feathers to the greeks fighters are japanese games with no anime or pokemon to streetfighter fans.
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Aug 31, 2016 21:49
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Am I a Jim
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AnonSpore posted:My favorite fighting game, Doom I mean you could totally bludgeon Doom into the category if you wanted to (I know 1v1 fist duels are a thing people have done), though I think the emphasis being on ranged combat and not melee is what disqualifies it. like, Chivalry has archers, but they're there to support the 3 melee classes, not the main mechanic in the game.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:actually it would be cool if we discussed fighting games in the fighting game thread, instead of noted non-fighting games such as smash, as per the OP you can do this without being a massive loving sperglord though. the Smash conversations only dominate the thread because people incessantly bitch about them instead of being the change they'd like to see in the world, and talking about games they like.
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One of the points from that Ultrachen episode I can agree with is Smash is not a part of the FGC, it has different community leaders and different traditions and it comes from a different place than the arcade scene, but in the bigger picture of competitive games the two are more similar than any other two scenes and that common ground can be beneficial to both sides. Smash is a fighting game, but it's not a part of the FGC, I think is how it was suggested.
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Real hurthling! posted:man was a two legged animal without feathers to the greeks LORD OF BOOTY posted:Though, yeah, I'd probably consider that a fighting game, if a very, very unconventional one. (I'd also appreciate a link because that sounds rad as gently caress)
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Reiley posted:One of the points from that Ultrachen episode I can agree with is Smash is not a part of the FGC, it has different community leaders and different traditions and it comes from a different place than the arcade scene, but in the bigger picture of competitive games the two are more similar than any other two scenes and that common ground can be beneficial to both sides. Smash is a fighting game, but it's not a part of the FGC, I think is how it was suggested. this is where I'd probably land. the community is definitely a totally separate thing from the FGC, even if the game is in the broad genre. but if that's where we're drawing the line for discussion in this thread, maybe this should be a FGC thread and not a general fighting game one Endorph posted:It's in Fire Emblem Fates as an actual feature (though you import your characters from the main campaign so that's a bit weighted,) and there's two online things for it, fire emblem tactics online, which has a persistent metagame thing where you have to level up your units and buy weapons for them to use in battles, and femp,, which has you spending a limited amount of resources on leveling up units and equipping them before every battle. I think FEMP is the best fire emblem multiplayer thing, even if it is still fairly janky. goddamn I need a 3DS
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please don't be jerks to guilty gear players in tournaments please smash fans
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Smoking Crow posted:please don't be jerks to guilty gear players in tournaments please smash fans
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:this is where I'd probably land. the community is definitely a totally separate thing from the FGC, even if the game is in the broad genre. but if that's where we're drawing the line for discussion in this thread, maybe this should be a FGC thread and not a general fighting game one there is already an fgc thread
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Aug 31, 2016 21:58
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Do wrestling games count as fighting games? Does Fight For New York count as a wrestling game? That was a good drat game.
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Aug 31, 2016 22:05
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Reiley posted:Do wrestling games count as fighting games? Does Fight For New York count as a wrestling game? That was a good drat game. maybe and it uses the same systems in no mercy and wcw vs nwo, so yes
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dragon enthusiast posted:there is already an fgc thread then how about we not sperg the gently caress out in this thread namaste harambe Reiley posted:Do wrestling games count as fighting games? Does Fight For New York count as a wrestling game? That was a good drat game. yes and yes imo (would unironically like to see FFNY at EVO)
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I'm more interested in your definition of "sperg" than your definition of "fighting games."
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