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Jithendra
May 23, 2009

Brick Shipment posted:

I'm the same, except the other way around. Lucario always looked goofy as poo poo to me and I never understood where the cool factor was coming from, but zoroark is good.
I'm glad Zoroark didn't work out though, or like that other guy said, we'd be getting bipedal dogs every single gen.

We got Braixen/Delphox in Gen VI.

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Cipher Pol 9
Oct 9, 2006


sharrrk posted:

what if raticate looks really cool tho

excuse you raticate is already cool

Ms. Unsmiley
Feb 13, 2012

Cipher Pol 9 posted:

excuse you raticate is already cool

we're talking about the alolan raticate, buddy.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~


Zuzie posted:

Zoroark and Zorua are kind of a sad case. Game Freak really wanted to recreate Lucario's popularity so they made another bipedal canine and made them super rare in Black and White. In order to actually get one of each in your game, you needed to transfer special legendaries like Celebi and Shiny Legendary Beasts from the Gen 4 games through a special method exclusively for these Pokémon and activate events with them in Black and White.

Then at some point they must have realized that the only Pokémon that could fill Lucario's shoes was Lucario itself. So later games came out, Riolu and Lucario got more and more prominent (you can catch wild Riolu before your first badge in Black 2, White 2, X and Y) while Zoroark and Zorua got more and more "common". They were "demoted" from special event requiring legendaries (Black and White) to being given to as a gift (Black 2 and White 2) to being available in the wild late game (X and Y) to being available on the first route after unlocking the national dex (Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire).

Wow that's a lot of words for Pokémon I don't really care for that much.

I really do think that making Zoroark/Zorua event Pokemon is what killed their popularity.

Zore
Sep 21, 2010
willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d’etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Dexie posted:

Zoroark could have been a thing if, y'know, it wasn't a lovely event only 'mon.

I hope whatever scrub in marketing was behind that got canned. :argh:

B/W had some absolutely baffling poo poo like that.

Remember, it introduced loving event TMs with that really stupid lock for Snarl.

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008


Johnny Joestar posted:

it's mirroring an event that actually happened in hawaii. farmers brought in mongoose to help get rid of the rat population that was booming but the rats were nocturnal and the mongoose isn't, so

it didn't really work

Reading the Alola form descriptions, I'm actually kind of impressed with how they seem to have constructed an ecology around them instead of just saying "it has something to do with magic stones from a meteor, no one knows for sure."

Brick Shipment posted:

I'm the same, except the other way around. Lucario always looked goofy as poo poo to me and I never understood where the cool factor was coming from, but zoroark is good.
I'm glad Zoroark didn't work out though, or like that other guy said, we'd be getting bipedal dogs every single gen.

Yeah I don't get what Lucario's deal is. He looks kind of like Anubis but that doesn't explain the spikes and steel typing. Are those supposed to be the nails used to crucify Jesus?

Zoroark has some flaws, like weird color distribution and a profile that was obviously designed with only certain angles in mind, but it's a really solid concept, unlike Lucario.

Ka0 posted:

Zoroark and Lucario are both in the deviantart furry egg group. It is very difficult for me to justify using them.

I like Zorua a lot and wish Zoroark looked less like one of these sharkwolf things that furries invented.

Pomplamoose fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Sep 2, 2016

LightningKimba
Nov 5, 2010

Unleashing my best...

LUMINARY UPPERCUT!!

Lucario has fists and a heart of steel.

Ruggington
Apr 21, 2012

sharrrk posted:

what if raticate looks really cool tho

a real team of 6 PI's never puts aside its morals

Ruggington
Apr 21, 2012

zoroark is a kabuki fox and that's cool

lucario is a jackal with dreads and that's cool but i don't like the spikes. riolu is a good pupper

Ka0
Sep 16, 2002

:siren: :siren: :siren:
AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE
:siren: :siren: :siren:

Violet_Sky posted:

Im a cool dude and this is my battle theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5owpG9E8weU

I'm a bug catcher and this is my theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5bRPL2Hg2I

Spatula City
Oct 21, 2010

LET ME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING

Dexie posted:

Zoroark could have been a thing if, y'know, it wasn't a lovely event only 'mon.

I hope whatever scrub in marketing was behind that got canned. :argh:

it was easily obtainable in B2/W2 though? you just get given a Zorua by an ex-Plasma guy in Driftveil.

Vandar
Sep 14, 2007

Isn't That Right, Chairman?



Spatula City posted:

it was easily obtainable in B2/W2 though? you just get given a Zorua by an ex-Plasma guy in Driftveil.

That was too late to salvage it's popularity though.

Elfgames
Sep 11, 2011

Fun Shoe

Ruggington posted:

zoroark is a kabuki fox and that's cool

lucario is a jackal with dreads and that's cool but i don't like the spikes. riolu is a good pupper

zoroark has a weird posture and it makes him less cool

Internet Kraken
Apr 24, 2010

slightly amused
Lucario and Zorark are both trash pokemon that look like Deviantart OCs.

Blhue
Apr 22, 2008

Fallen Rib

Internet Kraken posted:

Lucario and Zorark are both trash pokemon that look like Deviantart OCs.

turn on your monitor

Ruggington
Apr 21, 2012

Elfgames posted:

zoroark has a weird posture and it makes him less cool

i like the hunched over look because that dude is definitely a scheming rear end in a top hat

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Zoroark is like all hair, it's a little weird. I like him though.

Cicadas!
Oct 27, 2010


Blhue posted:

turn on your monitor

they're poo poo

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
Lucario is okay but not amazing. Zoroark is terrible

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
guys stop being so hateful to pokemon.

there's a pokemon fan club, not a hate club!!

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Tired Moritz posted:

guys stop being so hateful to pokemon.

there's a pokemon fan club, not a hate club!!

zoroarkfucker spotted

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



zoroark and lucario are ok I guess

it's hard to have strong opinions on zoroark because it was event only in gen 5 and near the end of the game in 6

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)

The White Dragon posted:

zoroarkfucker spotted

everybody you love is a zoroark

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

zoroark is for sure a better design than lucario, not that either are especially great. baby zoroark is good though

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~
I like Zoroak's posture because it makes it seem more like a fox waliking on two legs for some reason, but it's kind of dull otherwise. Just a collection of "dark anime" traits that don't really stand out among so many others.

Lucario is similar, but I see something of an Egyptian vibe that makes me like it more.

A Great Big Bee!
Mar 8, 2007

Grimey Drawer
zoroark is the shadow the hedgehog to lucario's sonic the hedgehog

making it a special event only thing in black and white didn't help

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI
I think Pokemon Black & White has the best soundtrack in the series hands down.

Wild Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkKOmiPYj5s

Accumula Town
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTnZqMpWttY

Trainer Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNLbrr91Fs

Team Plasma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Biw2hvjas

Opelucid City Black
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1zHBoRFSrM

Route 10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt-ZzBeDHQs

Elite Four
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3kqLhOuzu0

Zekrom \ Reshiram
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tObYNbbAIw0

Ghetsis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktqqE5cmE8M

Kyurem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKk8ac0Qd1o

Redeye Flight
Mar 26, 2010

God, I'm so tired. What the hell did I post last night?
For what it's worth, I really DIDN'T like Lucario at first, way back in the day when it was first introduced and its popularity was through the loving roof. Maybe it makes me a hipster but I thought the design was just way too loving busy back then. But it grew on me a lot at some point in Gen 5. I think Smash Bros Brawl helped with that, too.

The thing about forced popularity is that you get a lot more opportunities to see the design in motion, I guess? And the way Lucario moves in Brawl and all the other side properties really helped sell the concept to me.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Route 10 not appearing in BW2 is a crying shame.

Carlosologist
Oct 13, 2013

Revelry in the Dark

Route 23 in B2W2 gives off the right feeling of getting to Victory Road

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Gammatron 64 posted:

I think Pokemon Black & White has the best soundtrack in the series hands down.

B&W's music is pretty good--and maybe this is just me being sentimental--but for me? You just can't beat Gen 4's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr9KFynxBpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PbnT0x0e5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rulfjC9U1KE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAKZZYNb8YI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dzZl8ge1z0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqchUsoTB2w

GET IN THE ROBOT
Nov 28, 2007

JUST GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT SHINJI

The White Dragon posted:

B&W's music is pretty good--and maybe this is just me being sentimental--but for me? You just can't beat Gen 4's.

You left off the best ones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEvuu73sdhc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXjsh3qS8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5bRPL2Hg2I

FairyNuff
Jan 22, 2012

Ruggington posted:

a real team of 6 PI's never puts aside its morals

:yeah:

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Yeah, I do like the gym leader battle track. See, you definitely an uptempo battle track man. Me, I'm a milquetoast enjoyer of slow-paced jrpg story event and town music, like the one guy who actively seeks out Kenny G albums.

unless kenji ito is involved

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you

Cynthias champion theme is so good. Also you forgot the final battle with Cyrus too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hq742Ip5Tbo

Gen IV has so much great music, I love most of the HGSS stuff too

The White Dragon posted:

Yeah, I do like the gym leader battle track. See, you definitely an uptempo battle track man. Me, I'm a milquetoast enjoyer of slow-paced jrpg story event and town music, like the one guy who actively seeks out Kenny G albums.

unless kenji ito is involved

Snowpoint City, Gen 2 Surf theme, Abandoned Ship/Sea Mauville

Nodoze fucked around with this message at 14:25 on Sep 2, 2016

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

i don't recognize any music except for most of the gen 1 stuff and its derivatives. i guess i usually play with sound off now

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



oddium posted:

i don't recognize any music except for most of the gen 1 stuff and its derivatives. i guess i usually play with sound off now

yea same

I remember thinking the original champion theme was way cool when I was a kid

Nodoze
Aug 17, 2006

If it's only for a night I can live without you

Manatee Cannon posted:

yea same

I remember thinking the original champion theme was way cool when I was a kid

You take that back, that theme is awsome

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008




also team plasma music fuckin' owns

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Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Nodoze posted:

You take that back, that theme is awsome

that's what I said???

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