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Litany Unheard posted:lol, hey Donnie, what did you learn at school today? Really? Wow, that's really cool! Not even. "Hey Donnie, did you learn anything at school today? No no, don't tell me what, just say yes or no and then you have free reign to say that the unidentified thing you learned was good or bad."
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Litany Unheard posted:lol, hey Donnie, what did you learn at school today? Really? Wow, that's really cool! I prefer to imagine the alternate universe where that softball was swatted back with a "no." and Matt Lauer stares at his shoes awkwardly.
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I kind of wonder what kind of reaction we'd get if we went back in time to 1984 and told them that in 32 years Donald Trump would not only be within striking distance of a credible shot at the Presidency, but that if he won he had gone on public record stating essentially that he didn't really want the job, would delegate all responsibilities to an unqualified Vice President, and would consider the idea of resigning or refusing the position. Then again I also kind of wonder what kind of reaction we'd get if we went back in time to 1952 (Marty you have to go back!) and told them that in 30 years Ronald Reagan would not only be President, but would functionally destroy politics in America for almost two generations.
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How shocking do you imagine it'd be to them? He's a slightly less competent Reagan with the same amount of Alzheimer's.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:48
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I agree with what you said but, in this election cycle, only one party is actually buying any ad time. Hillary is the only candidate spending money on TV ads. All the TV Trump gets is being given to him for free. TV is not just hastening it's own death, it's proving that it deserves to die.
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It was literally like this last night Hillary: Well Matt, you know, I think that- Matt: Make it quick, cmon snappy. As quick as you can, cmon. Hillary: Ok, well fir- Matt: Yea great ok bye. Matt: Welcome, Mr. Trump. Tell me how you're gonna be a kick rear end prez Donald: I'm gonna just be the best, I'm gonna fire everyone and you know Putin, he does a great job, I'm gonna be just like him. And I'm gonna take our oil out of Iraq and bring it back here, its gonna be tremendous Matt, let me tell you. It's gonna be real tremendous. First of all, Obama is just terrible, I know this from the briefings, they bodylanguaged him and it was just a disaster okay? If it were me, I'm gonna get the best people working on this. We're gonna just blow the poo poo out of everything, it's gonna be tuh-riffic!  Matt: 
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Boogaleeboo posted:How shocking do you imagine it'd be to them? He's a slightly less competent Reagan with the same amount of Alzheimer's. I have no clue. I'd like to believe they'd be a little offended, considering Trump's reputation, but I guess that's also true. radical meme posted:I agree with what you said but, in this election cycle, only one party is actually buying any ad time. Hillary is the only candidate spending money on TV ads. All the TV Trump gets is being given to him for free. TV is not just hastening it's own death, it's proving that it deserves to die. I mean, they don't just run political ads and make money off of ads by other companies, which people still see even if they look at political news. Otherwise yeah, I don't disagree.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:50
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Lastgirl posted:It was literally like this last night I didn't see how Hillary came in so I can't compare, but when Trump walked in Lauer literally patted him on the back and said "good to see you"
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My main takeaway, though, is he cannot handle being unscripted. If Breitbart is furious, then he's furious about how last night went, despite it being as friendly as possible to him. He's going to get reamed in the debates.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:51
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After that Matt Lauer should be sequestered to only share coverage of puff events with Bob Costas.
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Sep 8, 2016 13:53
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That New York times article is getting more edits than a Wikipedia edit-war. This is like the fourth or fifth edit since publication.
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Lightning Knight posted:My confidence in Hillary's foreign policy just fell a little bit. Chief of Staff is not a FoPo focused position, and Hillary has never indicated that her foreign policy inclinations include "making the targets of humanitarian interventions pay for it"  Incidentally, this is what we mean when we say that progressivism is nearly entirely domestic, with only incidental association with any particular foreign policy viewpoint. You get a surprising number of these people with good domestic policy bona fides but then get blindsided by their weird and bad foreign policy positions. (Or no FoPo positions at all, because they've only ever served as the Tenacious Political Outsiders...)
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Night10194 posted:My main takeaway, though, is he cannot handle being unscripted. If Breitbart is furious, then he's furious about how last night went, despite it being as friendly as possible to him. Yeah, despite the softballing and kid glove treatment, the general consensus seems to be that Trump gave absolutely abysmal answers. Lauer being a hack is overshadowing it, but Trump did terribly and there's no way he shapes up in time for the first real debate. While he's having informal dinner chats about debating, Hilldawg will spend the next three weeks working a punching bag with Trump's face on it. I have high hopes.
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Quorum posted:Chief of Staff is not a FoPo focused position, and Hillary has never indicated that her foreign policy inclinations include "making the targets of humanitarian interventions pay for it" This is a good post and I don't disagree. I was just kidding though. 
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Quorum posted:Chief of Staff is not a FoPo focused position, and Hillary has never indicated that her foreign policy inclinations include "making the targets of humanitarian interventions pay for it" See also: why Elizabeth Warren as VP would have been a terrible idea (although in her case it's more of a complete absence/disinterest in it than bad opinions).
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Boogaleeboo posted:How shocking do you imagine it'd be to them? He's a slightly less competent Reagan with the same amount of Alzheimer's. Does everyone think that he has dementia? I've had several relatives go senile, and he doesn't strike me as senile. Just a dumb old dude who never gets called on his bullshit, ever.
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Dr.Zeppelin posted:See also: why Elizabeth Warren as VP would have been a terrible idea (although in her case it's more of a complete absence/disinterest in it than bad opinions). I mean, Elizabeth Warren would've been a terrible VP because she's a great Senator and does great work there, and I'm not actually confident she'd be a good President, which is traditionally what the VP is for in the modern era, to be groomed into the future President. She's good at throwing red meat to the base and championing causes of the left in the Senate, but I doubt she has the skillset or knowledge base to do the more varied and nuanced job of the President. When you're one person in a group of almost 600, who's only voter base comes from super white people in liberal New England, you can afford to be somebody like Warren or Sanders. When you answer to everyone in the country and are constantly in the spotlight, you end up like Obama: strong rhetoric collapsing in the face of political and foreign policy reality, while being used as a scapegoat for everybody's problems. Nobody gives the man any respect for this but the sheer endurance test Obama's presidency has been is a sight to behold. Watching the young looking man full of energy who came in, in 2008 age into a guy who looks a little bit like a darker skinned version of my 75 year old grandpa is a little bit disheartening, and you know all those years were stolen by jackass Republicans and their racist, obstructionist bullshit. I'm a little bit afraid how lovely the Presidency is going to be for Hillary. Not that, that should disqualify her or anything. But coming into the Presidency over the age of 55 sounds like an utter nightmare to me, let alone pushing 70.
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Litany Unheard posted:Yeah, despite the softballing and kid glove treatment, the general consensus seems to be that Trump gave absolutely abysmal answers. Lauer being a hack is overshadowing it, but Trump did terribly and there's no way he shapes up in time for the first real debate. The problem with this is that the Matt Lauer's of the world are the ones that will actually be telling most voters who won the debates. Most voters do not read The New York Times or any other newspaper for that matter. They get their news from poo poo shows like The Today Show, or Morning Joe. Most voters won't even bother to watch the debates. So it's the Matt Lauer's that will actually be declaring the winners of the debates.
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Lightning Knight posted:I mean, Elizabeth Warren would've been a terrible VP because she's a great Senator and does great work there, and I'm not actually confident she'd be a good President, which is traditionally what the VP is for in the modern era, to be groomed into the future President. She's good at throwing red meat to the base and championing causes of the left in the Senate, but I doubt she has the skillset or knowledge base to do the more varied and nuanced job of the President. When you're one person in a group of almost 600, who's only voter base comes from super white people in liberal New England, you can afford to be somebody like Warren or Sanders. When you answer to everyone in the country and are constantly in the spotlight, you end up like Obama: strong rhetoric collapsing in the face of political and foreign policy reality, while being used as a scapegoat for everybody's problems. Maybe at one of her White House correspondents' dinners she'll tell the same joke as Obama about the job aging her, only instead of a picture of Morgan Freeman she'll put up a picture of the witch from Snow White. Just to bait Republicans into inevitably cheering "that's what she already looks like!!!!!!!"
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vyelkin posted:Maybe at one of her White House correspondents' dinners she'll tell the same joke as Obama about the job aging her, only instead of a picture of Morgan Freeman she'll put up a picture of the witch from Snow White. Clearly she should just use Maleficent as played by Jolie. Feminist icon, and also gorgeous. Fits the bill.  Hillary Clinton totally deserves to be judged on the basis of her immense qualifications and ability to do her job well, and her looks are irrelevant. But if I was just a little bit older and remembered the '90s better I totally would've had the biggest celebrity crush on younger Hillary Clinton because ho-ly poo poo. 
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Lightning Knight posted:Almost certainly, yes. He's a member of the good old boys club in New York's elite and he's used to getting whatever he wants, whenever he wants it. He's actually not a member of the good old boys club in New York's elite, which is part of the reason for his neuroses
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I'd just like to skip a month ahead at this point because you can see this country being slowly digested by its own idiocy and it's stressing me out.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:He's actually not a member of the good old boys club in New York's elite, which is part of the reason for his neuroses Yes, that's true I suppose. I used that phrasing because it's my understanding that his dad was rich and powerful. Now that I think about, I honestly don't know anything about Trump other than his Birther stuff from 08-12, whatever silly poo poo he does now, and memes from The Apprentice. I feel like that makes it more exciting when the new "crazy poo poo Trump did in the past, holy poo poo he's an rear end in a top hat" story comes out from week to week, for me. 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:He's actually not a member of the good old boys club in New York's elite, which is part of the reason for his neuroses Yea if you read Garrison Keillor's scathing piece on him, this much is very apparent. He's loathed by everyone, if he didn't have money, he'd just be that ranting crazy person on the NYC subway Ivanka even implied that she's only carefully navigating around her father's dynasty so that she can inherit it, they probably have some internal power struggles and loathe each other.
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radical meme posted:The problem with this is that the Matt Lauer's of the world are the ones that will actually be telling most voters who won the debates. Most voters do not read The New York Times or any other newspaper for that matter. They get their news from poo poo shows like The Today Show, or Morning Joe. Most voters won't even bother to watch the debates. So it's the Matt Lauer's that will actually be declaring the winners of the debates. Almost 70 million people watched the first debate in 2012, and I would be shocked if Trump v. Clinton doesn't draw more viewers than Barack v. Mormon Data.
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Oxxidation posted:I'd just like to skip a month ahead at this point because you can see this country being slowly digested by its own idiocy and it's stressing me out. same except like thirty years
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Oxxidation posted:I'd just like to skip a month ahead at this point because you can see this country being slowly digested by its own idiocy and it's stressing me out. I wonder if a private company that induces you into a coma so you can get through elections is feasible... I'd like one coma please.
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Sep 8, 2016 14:32
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zoux posted:I wonder if a private company that induces you into a coma so you can get through elections is feasible... All the voters induce comas because of the awful election and only the undecideds are left. We wake up to President Gary Johnson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyZQRybtDCs
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Lastgirl posted:It was literally like this last night And the Trumpistas are pissed that he still wasn't soft enough to make up for Trump's incompetence.
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Apparently, Clinton's back up to 4 up in Rasmussen. Maybe the Trumpmentum is ceasing. More likely an outlier, because lol Rasmussen.
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Litany Unheard posted:Almost 70 million people watched the first debate in 2012, and I would be shocked if Trump v. Clinton doesn't draw more viewers than Barack v. Mormon Data. That's more than I would have thought but, you're right; at least it shows the number was 67.2 mil according to Nielsen. That translates into about 57% of the total votes cast in the 2012 election; 118 million votes, assuming all the viewers were voters. I guess we just need to hope that the Matt Lauer's don't unduly influence the other 40% of voters.
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Lastgirl posted:Ivanka even implied that she's only carefully navigating around her father's dynasty so that she can inherit it, they probably have some internal power struggles and loathe each other.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:Does everyone think that he has dementia? I've had several relatives go senile, and he doesn't strike me as senile. Just a dumb old dude who never gets called on his bullshit, ever. Dementia and Alzheimer's aren't the same thing, and he already has a family history of it. Combined with being old as balls, overweight, and never having taken care of himself a single day in his entire life? You could probably scare the poo poo out of him by suggesting he has it. Illness is evidently one of his big fears. I mean people have called his speeches dumbed down emotional appears to his core demographic, but it could also simply be the result of the early stage loss of fluency and vocabulary. Hence him using the same phrases and short sentences all the time. No wonder he went to a quack doctor to get cleared.
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I think more dangerous than Trump himself as president is what sort of interests he would invite into our government. He's already shown an eager willingness to ally himself with anybody who sucks up enough, defending Putin on national TV and making Breitbart a political player just because they always have positive headlines about him. If he were elected, there's no doubt he would surround himself with dangerously corrupt yes-men.
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