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Andrast posted:You are being really weird about a form of media that's present pretty much every European country. And it exists in the US too. That's the part you seem to miss.
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They may be hurting as well, but there's also the Guardian's model.
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FairGame posted:You're talking about programmatic ads. The CPM for direct-sold ads (the poo poo you'd see on NYT, WSJ, etc., is easily as high as $40. Probably higher right now because advertisers are weird as hell and blow all their budget in Q4 even though they're not advertising consumer goods. Which is staggering and stupid. Yeah, ad targeting is a totally different beast.
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Sep 8, 2016 22:26
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Lightning Knight posted:Then it would seem the system isn't working out for them. Blocking ads and bypassing subscriptions are worth losing journalism? As bad as corruption is now do you really think poo poo would get better with no press?
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Sep 8, 2016 22:28
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Trabisnikof posted:And it exists in the US too. That's the part you seem to miss. Alright, the US has similar systems. How does this affect my original point that journalism doesn't need to be for-pay at all?
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Homeless Friend posted:They can just block users that use adblockers simply enough it would seem. Forbes does this already. I'd be surprised if it helps them in any way though, because that means less total traffic and less shares on social media. I feel like I haven't seen Forbes articles on the aggregators in a long time.
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Andrast posted:Alright, the US has similar systems. How does this affect my original point that journalism doesn't need to be for-pay at all? I'd be ok with this if we had the right laws protecting them, the Republicans try to pull NPRs funding everytime NPR says anything that mildly offends them you have to be very careful if the people who are supposed to be watching the government are also paid by them.
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Sep 8, 2016 22:31
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socialsecurity posted:Blocking ads and bypassing subscriptions are worth losing journalism? As bad as corruption is now do you really think poo poo would get better with no press? No. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the monetization of something that no longer has scarcity. Current methods of achieving that are apparently insufficient. They aren't making enough money to sustain themselves. And at that point, you are faced with allowing traditional journalism to disappear and be replaced by something else - and it absolutely would - or use stupid, draconian copyright law to punish consumers for doing the rational thing in response to post-scarcity: treating the non-scarce item as worthless, economically.
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Sep 8, 2016 22:31
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Apparently someone at the original content creator reads Awkward Zombie.  Edit: gently caress 
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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/773992121619578880 I'm neutral, leaning to "Ok with this". Thoughts?
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I'm old so if my blocking stupid intrusive lovely malware soaked ads means we all have to go back to paying for content that's fine with me. 
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Anyone post that blueprint for a TV McD wants to make where you have to stand up and shout "IM LOVIN IT!" when a McD commericial appears?
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Sep 8, 2016 22:33
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Lightning Knight posted:No. But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the monetization of something that no longer has scarcity. Current methods of achieving that are apparently insufficient. They aren't making enough money to sustain themselves. And at that point, you are faced with allowing traditional journalism to disappear and be replaced by something else - and it absolutely would - or use stupid, draconian copyright law to punish consumers for doing the rational thing in response to post-scarcity: treating the non-scarce item as worthless, economically. How does it not have scarcity? You keep acting like investigations/journalism/articles just sort of appear out of thin air for free, a newspaper has never been about the physical paper its been about the content it contained.
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iospace posted:https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/773992121619578880 Probably playing with geopolitical fire, but sound action on the basis of principle. I doubt it'll go anywhere. Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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socialsecurity posted:How does it not have scarcity? You keep acting like investigations/journalism/articles just sort of appear out of thin air for free, a newspaper has never been about the physical paper its been about the content it contained. Because scarcity isn't defined by the labor put into an object. I mean, the system that would best fit what you're talking about is some kind of scheme where a semi-independent government corporation pays out salaries to journalists who meet a certain threshold of popularity. Cut out the middle man and pay them for their work and allow said work to be copied infinitely as the Internet is liable to do. There's probably fifty million problems with that scheme but that's my spitball idea to fix the problem off the top of my head.
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Sep 8, 2016 22:39
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Zombie Samurai posted:Forbes does this already. I'd be surprised if it helps them in any way though, because that means less total traffic and less shares on social media. I feel like I haven't seen Forbes articles on the aggregators in a long time. I am 100% on board with the sites that go "hey, we see you have an adblocker, please whitelist us so we can keep producing content you like  " and will generally comply, especially since they tend to be responsible curators of ad content.It does present a little more resource investment than just slapping in an ad provider and calling it a day, though.
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iospace posted:https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/773992121619578880 It has a picture of Rand Paul so I'm gonna assume it's a good plan by Obama.
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PhazonLink posted:Anyone post that blueprint for a TV McD wants to make where you have to stand up and shout "IM LOVIN IT!" when a McD commericial appears? https://hollybrockwell.com/2013/07/22/say-mcdonalds-to-end-this-commercial/ It has a nice little write-up on this type of advertising as well.
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Sep 8, 2016 22:43
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I am 100% on board with the sites that go "hey, we see you have an adblocker, please whitelist us so we can keep producing content you like On the other hand, I cannot view some sites that do this at work despite not personally running an ad blocker, probably due to proxy settings
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Sep 8, 2016 22:44
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Grey Fox posted:The pressure of condensed poo poo at Wells Fargo hit critical mass and they were forced temporarily to pull the release valve, fired 5,300 employees for being low-level fuckers. "New York Times posted:Those illegal banking practices were widespread and pervasive at Wells Fargo, which on Thursday was fined $185 million, including a $100 million penalty from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the largest such penalty the agency has ever issued. Simultaneously happy that the CFPB has issued its largest penalty so far and disappointed that it is only $100 mil.
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Sep 8, 2016 22:45
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Andrast posted:Alright, the US has similar systems. How does this affect my original point that journalism doesn't need to be for-pay at all? Except someone always pays. The BBC for example makes massive amounts of money as a for-profit media company, ~$200B in profits annually. Just overseas. That makes them more profitable than Gannet or Neilson Media. I don't think that federally mandating cable companies carry another PBS station is worth the risk to free speech that entails in America.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I am 100% on board with the sites that go "hey, we see you have an adblocker, please whitelist us so we can keep producing content you like Yeah, for the most part I do the same. There are simply too many intrusive and malware distributing ads out there to not run an ad blocker though.
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Anti ad blocking only works as long as the broCiaphas posted:On the other hand, I cannot view some sites that do this at work despite not personally running an ad blocker, probably due to proxy settings The practice isn't widespread but the instant it is you can expect ad blockers to have anti-anti-adblocking
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I sub to my local paper, the NYT for free through school, and large Slavic women in leatherGreyjoyBastard posted:Apparently someone at the original content creator reads Awkward Zombie. Haha TOO SLOW
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DemeaninDemon posted:It has a picture of Rand Paul so I'm gonna assume it's a good plan by Obama. It's only half of him though so it might be the part that sounds reasonable https://twitter.com/SabrinaSiddiqui/status/774002356753170432 Oh Little Marco. I remember when I too had hope 08 was a hell of a year
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Phone posted:Are we going to see "I hope you get ads!" as an online insult gain popularity? Right up until the circular firing squad complains it minimizes aids victims, then it's probatable.
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BiohazrD posted:Anti ad blocking only works as long as the bro This is my job creation program. Please vote for me in 2032.
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Listening to Pence and I just noticed something. He mentions shoulders a LOT. "Shoulder to Shoulder", "On the shoulders of the great Ronald Reagan", "Head and Shoulders above" It's like the new version of Santorum's hands. I also don't think I've ever typed the word shoulder before and it just doesn't look right to me.
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Spun Dog posted:Listening to Pence and I just noticed something. He mentions shoulders a LOT. "Shoulder to Shoulder", "On the shoulders of the great Ronald Reagan", "Head and Shoulders above" Now you're having me imagine Santorum being Trump's running mate and constantly pissing Trump off by mentioning hands.
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iospace posted:Now you're having me imagine Santorum being Trump's running mate and constantly pissing Trump off by mentioning hands. They would have a sort of Salt & Pepper vibe.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Right up until the circular firing squad complains it minimizes aids victims, then it's probatable.
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Zombie Samurai posted:Forbes does this already. I'd be surprised if it helps them in any way though, because that means less total traffic and less shares on social media. I feel like I haven't seen Forbes articles on the aggregators in a long time. Ironically Forbes is one of like three websites I refuse to read without a blocker. they are the worst.
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Dexo posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/773990062237286400 Oops sorry about our misleading hit pieces! I guess we can clean some up of that up. Better late than never right?
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History tidbit for you: https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/773949735761645568 (and drat she's aged well)
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Sep 8, 2016 23:20
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Humans of New York has more Hillary bits making their way around Millennial Facebook:
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FactsAreUseless posted:Good av I hate to jinx it, but I am fine with my current monthly fairy-given USPOL avatar.
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iospace posted:History tidbit for you:  I wouldn't have put her at much over 40 if that. Goddamn, if I aget that well I will sacrifice a goat to someone or something.
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SquadronROE posted:NC is going to go for Trump according to 538. Trump making GBS threads himself last night, and Pence doubling down on Putin, should swing things back.
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theflyingorc posted:...You DID pay for the newspaper at the library. Through taxes. https://twitter.com/lancestorm/status/376823017860366336
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vyelkin posted:Humans of New York has more Hillary bits making their way around Millennial Facebook: I thought all these were really good
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