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I mean, okay, I'll play ball. I think the twist is that there is no twist. I think it's a red herring.
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Like, especially because this game is about communicating. Awesome to speculate upon twist. Genuinely. But since talking mafia is the raison d'etre, I think the *~*~*twist*~*~*~* is there simply to do exactly what you're doing with it.
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Sep 9, 2016 16:47
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Hey everyone. We any closer to lynching somberero
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Sep 9, 2016 16:57
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Propaganda Machine posted:Like, especially because this game is about communicating. Awesome to speculate upon twist. Genuinely. But since talking mafia is the raison d'etre, I think the *~*~*twist*~*~*~* is there simply to do exactly what you're doing with it. Maybe, or maybe I'm privvy to the twist?
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Sep 9, 2016 17:04
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Spiros posted:Maybe, or maybe I'm privvy to the twist? Spill, or else admit that you're full of it. You wouldn't be breadcrumbing like this if it were pro-town.
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Sep 9, 2016 17:09
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And by full of it, saying that it was an empty post full of words with no meaning, that's fine.
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Sep 9, 2016 17:09
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Prop, what is your definition of "fishing"?
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Sep 9, 2016 17:23
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Sorry if I seem really disconnected today guys. I was up til 4 packing last night to run away from a house we were being kicked out of, and am now at work.
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Sep 9, 2016 17:34
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:Sorry if I seem really disconnected today guys. I was up til 4 packing last night to run away from a house we were being kicked out of, and am now at work.  I'm sorry to hear that mate, hope things go better soon!
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Sep 9, 2016 17:38
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That sounds intense, Jimson. Good luck.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:02
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Thanks guys I am still gonna be posting and just noticed the vote count lol ##vote somberero
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Sep 9, 2016 18:25
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Official Vote Count Players needed to lynch: 4 Anon - 1 - Propaganda Somber - 1 - Jimson Spiros - 1 - Somber Players not voting: Anon, Asiina, Glitch, Spiros  DEADLINE IS TODAY AT 5PM EASTERN
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Sep 9, 2016 18:28
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Okay everyone, I'm ready to vote.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:30
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Spiros posted:Okay, everyone name one person you do want to hang and one person you don't want to hang in this game and briefly explain why. I would hang glitch because I don't like his view on the questions that content creating strategies are garbage. What else are we supposed to do on day 1 I wouldn't hang pmach bc even though she's wrong for accusing me she has a decent reason. I do admit that my posting so far has been poo poo. Spiros posted:Question 2: Do you guys think the twist will be anti town or anti scum based on the open setup provided? I think it would have to be anti-town bc it looks kinda like town would be OP. Unless this is a standard setup. Idk, I never play in games this small. Spiros posted:Question 3: If you were on a desert posting island and you could only talk to two posters in this thread about this game of mafia on penalty of death, who would you bring and why? Spiros posted:Question 4: The twist is revealed to be that a vig is dropped and we have to vote on who gets shot mid day. Who do you push to get shot before the hang?
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Sep 9, 2016 18:32
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Fair enough for now. ##unvote
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Sep 9, 2016 18:37
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Spiros posted:Prop, what is your definition of "fishing"? Calling out people willy-nilly to amass evidence that may or may not have any real meaning. Take any given player, force them to name drop any other given player and declare reasons, times weird justifications, and I'm going to be side-eyeing anybody who tries to use any of these/those sound bytes as evidence when poo poo gets real.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:42
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Propaganda Machine posted:Calling out people willy-nilly to amass evidence that may or may not have any real meaning. Take any given player, force them to name drop any other given player and declare reasons, times weird justifications, and I'm going to be side-eyeing anybody who tries to use any of these/those sound bytes as evidence when poo poo gets real. I don't really get this. The point of content games is exactly to find strange answers that are either strange at the time to start up conversations or strange in retrospect. I mean yeah anything said in this game may or may not have any real meaning, but that's true of everything posted in a mafia game because mafia is dumb. Why are content games worse for this?
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Sep 9, 2016 19:04
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I want to ##vote Somber. He made a jokevote early on that concerned me because it could just as easily be mistaken for a real vote because he was actively pushing it, and he's still sitting on that vote. Also Jimson made some good points that he reacted a little strangely to Jimson's gambit.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:09
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Asiina posted:Jimson's gambit. *Jimson's Gambit-u™
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Sep 9, 2016 19:12
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I do not think Somber and Glitch are scum together. What I see from Somber is someone being difficult at times but I would argue he is town because his approach, while perhaps at times overreaching and wrong, is the approach of someone looking to play mafia. I'm far from convinced he is town fully since he hasn't posted today but he's not a good vote for this cycle imo. Asiina might be scum imo, she tagged along with the easy questions and hasn't participated since. It's easier for scum at the start but unlike somber I don't see any flags for a town player. Still, not the correct vote for today. I got the feeling GlitchThief was afraid to engage earlier and he's been around but not "around" and on a short d1 with 7 players that is enough to justify a vote. But I hesitate to do so as his questions for Jimson and I were both legitimate. They didn't feel like scum barbs or questions meant to distract, they were pointed. I don't know this guy but I feel like he's town. Jimson...I don't know how to read into what he posts, it's an enigma. I lean scum but he pulled at my heart strings and thus I wish him to live today. That leaves Prop and Narc. Prop has been very critical of my approach and thus colors my view of her posting but one thing she said in particular pinged me: Propaganda Machine posted:First read done. Goading? This is not only a mischaracterization, it tells me that she didn't really read the thread. That I had to quote my questions for her after she had read and should have had a point of reference (only 5 pages of posts, cmon) also suggests a skim rather than a read yet she was willing to go on the offensive despite this lack of baseline knowledge. Her responses to my questions were also interesting in that she accuses me of fishing (or by my definition, asking questions) and basically doesn't want to answer my one question on the grounds that she believes it is "designed to suss out scumbros". This says to me that she's reading my questions and being careful how to respond to them rather than just responding to them. They weren't deep questions and they were primarily designed to get surface responses that I could use in a different way. I think she's the best vote right now. Anarc also deserves a blurb here because she didn't play until very recently when she responded to my questions but I liked that post and she didn't actually sign up soooo
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Sep 9, 2016 19:15
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Propaganda Machine posted:Calling out people willy-nilly to amass evidence that may or may not have any real meaning. Take any given player, force them to name drop any other given player and declare reasons, times weird justifications, and I'm going to be side-eyeing anybody who tries to use any of these/those sound bytes as evidence when poo poo gets real. In mafia, fishing is usually referencing role fishing which I was certainly not doing. If you mean that I'm putting out bait to see who bites, to a degree, yes, I am, but just because I employ a surface technique that does not mean it is the only thing I am doing.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:16
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Asiina posted:I want to ##vote Somber. He made a jokevote early on that concerned me because it could just as easily be mistaken for a real vote because he was actively pushing it, and he's still sitting on that vote. Can you elaborate?
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Sep 9, 2016 19:16
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That last day of content was less helpful than I expected it to be. My gut still says spiros but that's probably not going to happen. I don't like the way glitchthief stepped out once the conversation shifted away from him. Now that I think about the only position of his that I can recall is on jimson, which should have experienced at least a little development in the past page or so. I could also vote anarc. That was some pretty fluffy posting and I don't think that'll change anytime soon. I gotta lot of work to catch up on but I'll be around.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:20
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Spiros put down the words for what was bothering me about Jimson, and it's "role fishing." That's what it seems like Jimson was doing, and I don't know why you'd do that, potentially publicaly outting roles to scum, unless you were also scum. I'm voting accordingly. ##vote Jimson Somberbrero posted:Now that I think about the only position of his that I can recall is on jimson, which should have experienced at least a little development in the past page or so. I don't know what you're looking for here. 
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Sep 9, 2016 19:31
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Spiros posted:Can you elaborate? I'm a genius.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:31
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GlitchThief posted:Spiros put down the words for what was bothering me about Jimson, and it's "role fishing." That's what it seems like Jimson was doing, and I don't know why you'd do that, potentially publicaly outting roles to scum, unless you were also scum. I'm town so
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Sep 9, 2016 19:32
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GlitchThief posted:Spiros put down the words for what was bothering me about Jimson, and it's "role fishing." That's what it seems like Jimson was doing, and I don't know why you'd do that, potentially publicaly outting roles to scum, unless you were also scum. Doctor, please protect GT tonight.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:33
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:I'm town so That's exactly what I'd expect scum to say.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:33
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:Okay I gave it time and it seems to have simmered off. jimson's case here isn't great but it seems honest. i can't imagine scum trying to make the case that scum-hunting is scummy. i think he's ascribing too much importance to a gambit that was clearly false but it's a case and he's trying.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:36
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I feel worse about Asiina now because she's doing that thing where she doesn't actually play as scum. I'd probably vote her before anarc.
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Sep 9, 2016 19:54
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GlitchThief posted:That's exactly what I'd expect scum to say. poo poo I mean... uh... I'm scum?
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Sep 9, 2016 19:57
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JimsonTheBetrayer posted:poo poo I mean... uh... I'm scum? 
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Sep 9, 2016 19:58
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spiros I'm trying to piece together why I'm not compelled by your case on Pmach but the short of it is that I am not.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:07
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Probably because I started it by saying "I'm biased" but hey, honesty etc
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Sep 9, 2016 20:09
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Somberbrero posted:I feel worse about Asiina now because she's doing that thing where she doesn't actually play as scum. I'd probably vote her before anarc. This makes me angry and maybe I'm confirmation biasing here, but it makes me more confident in my Somber vote. This is total bullshit and Somber knows it. The meta he's talking about, which is completely outdated and irrelevant which I believe he knows, but is using anyway is that I don't post when I'm scum. I'm running a forum reality game right now which has challenges that start at 8PM. Hey, I wonder when I stopped posting. Oh yeah, just before 8PM. That took up basically the entire rest of my evening and then I had poo poo to do this morning, got home at noon and got back to this game within 2 hours of getting home. Even if you didn't know all that, not posting for like 8 waking hours in a row after engaging with game content the entire time I was posting is not even close to "not playing" and is a lazy argument from Somber.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:16
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Asiina posted:This makes me angry and maybe I'm confirmation biasing here, but it makes me more confident in my Somber vote. This is total bullshit and Somber knows it. The meta he's talking about, which is completely outdated and irrelevant which I believe he knows, but is using anyway is that I don't post when I'm scum. I didn't know that but it explains what happened succinctly. Not voting for Asii today.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:17
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Spiros posted:Can you elaborate? I liked this part: JimsonTheBetrayer posted:I think Somberero may be scum. They latched onto my post where I called them rown. Ensuring it would be the first post of the next page and said something akin to "lol I could see cpig dk this." I think saying that Somber intentionally made it the top post of the page is going too far, but jumping at the chance to buy into someone saying your town is a little suspicious. I was already feeling iffy about Somber's Diqnol vote, so in combination it was strong enough for me to vote off of.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:20
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Asiina posted:This makes me angry and maybe I'm confirmation biasing here, but it makes me more confident in my Somber vote. This is total bullshit and Somber knows it. The meta he's talking about, which is completely outdated and irrelevant which I believe he knows, but is using anyway is that I don't post when I'm scum. Yeah because I've kept up with mafia really well in the past year and a half. I'm not talking about your posting frequency, I'm talking about posts like this. Asiina posted:I want to ##vote Somber. He made a jokevote early on that concerned me because it could just as easily be mistaken for a real vote because he was actively pushing it, and he's still sitting on that vote. What connection does any of this have to alignment? It almost sounds like a real post but I don't think it means anything.
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Sep 9, 2016 20:32
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Somberbrero posted:Yeah because I've kept up with mafia really well in the past year and a half. I'm not talking about your posting frequency, I'm talking about posts like this. The connection to alignment is that you made a joke vote in a small game where votes matter more and you kept bringing it up as if you were trying to push it like a real vote. Like, you stuck by it but had a joke reason. You're still sitting on that vote and I have no idea whether you actually believe Diqnol is scum. Being unclear about your thoughts on someone's alignment while still voting for them is scummy. It doesn't hold you to anything later.
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Asiina posted:The connection to alignment is that you made a joke vote in a small game where votes matter more and you kept bringing it up as if you were trying to push it like a real vote. Like, you stuck by it but had a joke reason. You're still sitting on that vote and I have no idea whether you actually believe Diqnol is scum. Being unclear about your thoughts on someone's alignment while still voting for them is scummy. It doesn't hold you to anything later. in what way have I been unclear about my thoughts on spiros? Somberbrero posted:i want to hang spiros because he scumclaimed! i want to hang the poo poo out of him! Somberbrero posted:ehh i mean you're also hamming it up a bit with the 'twist' discussion. there's really not much point in engaging that until it happens, no one should know anything. i dunno if you're just trying to stimulate discussion but it feels artificial. i guess that's the nature of trying to force discussion. in regards to spiros content games Somberbrero posted:i already explained that. i know it's early but it's never too early to scumhunt. going through safe talking points that don't infer anything as to alignment is a way for scum to seem like they're producing content without putting down reads. these are just a few examples. I don't understand what point you're trying to make at all. even if you were right and somehow my feelings about spiros were unclear, you're talking about a hypothetical situation in which spiros is lynched, flips town, and then i, as scum, duck culpability by saying 'aw shucks i was just having a goof.' am i understanding that correctly?
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