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Hello I'm writing this at midnight in a caffeine-induced state. There may be inaccuracies, they will be addressed once pointed out. The Hag The Hag is the first boss you will encounter in the Weald, and its honestly the hardest fight out of all the normal bosses from my viewpoint. The Hag is your big lesson in understanding the concept of Action Economy, since unlike the Necromancer she gets two actions per turn, and her gimmick specifically reduces your actions by one whilst damaging said removed action. By reducing your team's damage output by one body, this makes the fight a delicate balance of keeping heroes alive while actually damaging the boss itself. One major thing to note: The Hag and her pot cannot be moved since they each have maximum move resistance on every difficulty, and when the pot isn't filled it has huge HP values along with 100% prot so you aren't removing its gimmick by any normal means. Also, if you run from the Hag while a hero is in the pot, the hero is killed as a result since no one saved their life. The Hag's first and most damaging attack is Into the Pot (Labeled as Behold my Gimmick in the vid), a physical attack that will choose a hero to throw into her cauldron. Into the Pot is a physical attack with a high hit rate, and once a hero is in the pot they will take roughly 9% of their max HP in damage every action, so you have roughly 10 actions, including the Hag's, to free a victim. Once a person in the pot is at Death's Door, they will be dumped from the pot and placed in the front row, which can be extremely hazardous if your healers or someone very specific (ex: Abomination, Rank 2 Vestal, Incision PD) were in the pot to begin with. That being said, once someone is thrown in the pot, your formation is altered in kind with everyone pulled forward to compensate for the loss of space, and subsequently pushed back once they are released. In order to deal with this, once someone is in the cauldron it has substantially less HP and no PROT so one or two good hits will dump someone out of the pot. This is pretty much why I find the Hag the worst of the Big Eight; I usually run very fixed teams that cannot operate if they are shuffled around, and this boss shuffles just enough to ruin very simple things I do such as putting the Vestal from r3 to r2, putting the Hellion out of r1, and so on. The Hag's other attacks aren't bad on their own, but exist to supplement the circumstance of anyone coming out of the pot into Death's Door territory. Her second-most threatening attack is Meat Tenderizer (labeled as Beat the Meat in video). This move hits everyone for a small range of damage with a small crit rate. This move can wear you down if you aren't loaded with healers, and on a bad day she will do this move almost consistently. I'm not sure if Iron Chitlin's post on it being programmed to be used on ejection is accurate since I can't find that info myself, however this move is a big threat if someone does get ejected from the pot at death's door considering she *will* hit the death-door victim since that state comes with a dodge debuff. Another attack she possesses is Seasoned to Perfection (labeled as Pinch of MSG in the video). This move is primarily meant to slow down your team; it causes stress damage alongside debuffing your hero's ACC and Damage, and most importantly, it does 1 damage. While 1 damage sounds like a piss amount, considering how easily you can be thrown in Death's Door, that still makes this attack a threat since its a potential Deathblow. This attack however is mainly meant to slow down your cauldron-tipping endeavors with its debuffs, and it really hurts if it hits your front-lines. Her last attack is one we didn't see in video, Taste the Stew. This move also does stress damage, but it also heals the Hag for a mild amount. Much like Seasoning, it also does 1 damage as well, holding the potential for a Deathblow. The fight with the Hag begins at home, since you really have to prepare for this fight. Once you choose your team, be absolutely sure they can do three things: Operate in the front row, attack rank 3 from a variety of positions, and either have a retreat mechanism to get them to the back or have a move skill that puts them more than one space back. Good examples are: Graverobber's Shadow Fade, Highwayman's Point-blank Shot, Crusader's Holy Lance, Jester's Finale (no I'm not stoned), Antiquarian's "Get down!", you get the idea. Mobility is the key factor of this fight, and you want people that won't get positively rear end-rammed if they get pulled out of place. Secondly, be sure to consider what camping skills you use for this fight: Things like Hellion's Battle Trance are terrible since she needs to be in a specific spot, while something like the Man at Arms' skill Tactics or the Vestal's Pray give your entire party that extra bit of survivability to power through multiple Tenderizer hits. A good stun would be amazing here; bringing a lvl 2 Houndmaster with stun trinkets will *plausibly* restrict the Hag's actions by one so long as he's not in the pot, and the stun buff will be removed with her second action, so if done well it will either result in heavily reduced damage and possibly only throwing people in the pot. One thing I should let you all know though, this fight with the Hag was a terrible example of one due to how rigid my team was. The big reason why my team-comp was so bad was because of the skills I picked for my team. My GR was still operating on her r2 DPS build and was in an awkward spot anytime she was out of it. My support team of Jester and Vestal would also have their versatility cut once a person got thrown in the pot; As we saw in the video, my Jester could not Battle Ballad us to comical speed/dodge rates since he kept getting shoved into rank 2, and had my Vestal instead been in rank 3 she would only be able to use her party-heal once someone got potted and she inadvertently got pulled into rank 2. Looking back on things, an Arbalest would've been a better off-healer since her comical crit rate on Sniper Shot can possibly one-shot the filled up cauldron, and a Houndmaster could've served as better control for the Hag with Blackjack. Its an interesting thing to think about since I don't really have any good answers for her. Finally, some trivia: The Cauldron is the only "creature" in this game with the Crockery type. This doesn't matter in the longrun. Also, that very cauldron is an accessory for the Occultist as well, albeit much smaller. 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Highwang posted:This is pretty much why I find the Hag the worst of the Big Eight; I usually run very robust teams that cannot operate if they are shuffled around, and this boss shuffles just enough to ruin very simple things I do such as putting the Vestal from r3 to r2, putting the Hellion out of r1, and so on. Pedantic quibble, but isn't that the opposite of a robust team? Robust means "resilient" or "able to function in adverse conditions".
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Sep 15, 2016 09:35
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Yeah, a better word for it would be "rigid", as in inflexible. Your videos really make me want to give Darkest Dungeon another shot. It's in my incredibly long steam backlog.
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Sep 15, 2016 10:28
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I'd like to reiterate that it's quite possible to Dodge "Into The Pot!" and that stacking +Dodge on the entire party is a viable strategy for chumping the Hag on Apprentice and Veteran, moving to 'somewhat hazardous' on Champion difficulty. Then again, most bossfights on Champion achieve that status, or worse.
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Sep 15, 2016 18:57
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I still prefer dps racing her down. What's the fun in a boss without a couple of death's door procs?
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Sep 15, 2016 20:29
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Bruceski posted:Pedantic quibble, but isn't that the opposite of a robust team? Robust means "resilient" or "able to function in adverse conditions". I think he means tanky. Parties that are good at shuffling tend to be full of glass cannons.
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Sep 16, 2016 08:14
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New Update- Episode 15: Rocky and Mugsy BIG pig fight! Also a small note: I mention that its the only enemy that takes up 3 spaces, but I'm wrong. There are others that I forgot about from a few of the final updates.
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Sep 16, 2016 19:09
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Going in to this fight blind was fun. I nuked Wilbur instantly. 
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Sep 16, 2016 20:06
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Star Wars: The Old Republic has a fight like that, too, in a raid. You're up against Master and Blaster, a tiny little astromech droid and a giant war machine. Do not gently caress with Master. More on topic, isn't there an achievement for getting killed by Wilbur?
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Sep 16, 2016 20:08
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Riposting Wilbur will not incur the Swine King's wrath. Accidentally killing Wilbur with a Riposte, however, will. I killed the King on my next turn before anything happened, but wow that could have been bad.
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Sep 16, 2016 20:09
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Lol if you don't kill Wilbur first every time.
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Sep 16, 2016 20:14
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Pvt.Scott posted:Lol if you don't kill Wilbur first every time. Wilbur exists to prey on the very human desire to kill the weakest enemy first.
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Sep 16, 2016 20:16
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Cythereal posted:Star Wars: The Old Republic has a fight like that, too, in a raid. You're up against Master and Blaster, a tiny little astromech droid and a giant war machine. Do not gently caress with Master.
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Sep 16, 2016 20:18
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Darkest Dungeon has a ton of achievements for screwing up something fierce. It's probably a way to tell people "yes, we expected that to happen, you're not the worst player in the universe, keep going".
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Sep 16, 2016 20:46
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The Hell Hairpin does not lower deathblow resistance. It only lowers bleed and debuff resistance. This might have been a patch. This fight is get markedly harder at high difficulties not because of the damage from the Swine King, but because Wilbur is an rear end in a top hat.
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Sep 16, 2016 20:49
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Halser posted:Darkest Dungeon has a ton of achievements for screwing up something fierce. And then they give you "Lambs to the Slaughter" which requires you to be a complete dick. It's not even a secret achievement. It's just there, taunting you... EDIT: Regarding the video, blind fire can also hit skeletons which are not technically living beings 
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Sep 16, 2016 21:03
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I'd like this game more if my laptop were able to run it better. As it stands, it's constantly crashing in the mission success screen and fights are so slow. The fact that the game autosaves every turn is the only thing saving me at this point. Also, I should really start watching the LP over from the beginning since I just went wherever but avoiding the cove. The Ruins would've been a way better place to gently caress around in instead of dealing with all this vomit and these mushroom men.
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Sep 16, 2016 21:09
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the dark version of warrens combat music is cooler than I thought it'd be. Cool beats.
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Sep 16, 2016 21:41
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Bourassa really seems to have been inspired by, if not blatantly ripped off, Mike Mignola.
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Arcade Rabbit posted:Riposting Wilbur will not incur the Swine King's wrath. Accidentally killing Wilbur with a Riposte, however, will. I killed the King on my next turn before anything happened, but wow that could have been bad. I made the same mistake, except that Porky still had most of his HP at the time.  I somehow made it through only losing one adventurer, but I must have used up a year's worth of luck making all those saves and criticals. And it was weird hearing my party constantly yelling at me to "leave the little one alone" round after round even after Wilbur was already dead.
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Bringing the discussion back to H.P. Lovecraft: The Warrens and the squalid Hamlet have pretty strong inspiration from "The Rats in the Walls". http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/rw.aspx For people that aren't fond of reading, here's a very short synopsis: Guy in early 1920 decides to rebuild his ancestral manor that was left empty after his ancestors all died in mysterious circumstances. This manor sits atop a moor, overlooking a valley. He moves there, and he keeps listening to weird scratches on the walls during the night. During his sleep, he has nightmares about hordes of disgusting swinefolk. His search for the source of the sounds ends up with him exploring the family crypt under the manor with a small group of expert antiquarians and historians. They find a switch that opens a mysterious stairs leading into pitch black darkness. When they finish going down the stairs, they light up a torch and discover a kind of ancient city hidden within the cliff wall. In the city they find several cages, piles of skeletons of what appears to be imprisoned human and swine hybrids, rats chewing on whatever is left. The Ancestor line "How many rats will it take to chew through a ton of putrid flesh" is a direct reference to this. Apparently, his ancestry performed eldritch rituals and cannibalism, using humans devolved into swine hybrids as sustenance and fuel for said rituals. The main character goes nuts when he realizes what his ancestry was doing and runs into the darkness. He's found later, chewing on one of the members of the party.
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Sep 16, 2016 22:26
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Halser posted:Bringing the discussion back to H.P. Lovecraft: Yeah, the story where his racism directed him against the Welsh.
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Sep 16, 2016 22:39
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Samovar posted:Yeah, the story where his racism directed him against the Welsh. While I don't excuse lovecraft for his shocking racism even for the times, given that he died due to consequences of malnutrition caused by poverty, I can ... understand but not condone how he came to have those views. When there are days that you literally cannot feed yourself properly, finding someone to look down on/hate/fear/loathe would be appealing.
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Samovar posted:Yeah, the story where his racism directed him against the Welsh. Wait, something HP Lovecraft wrote includes racist undertones? Say it ain't so. Getting back to Rats in the Walls, I just want to point out that "guy looks into family history, finds something strange (possibly involving interbreeding with some strange species as a stand-in for miscegenation), then goes crazy" is kind of a theme in Lovecraft. Along with his characters being rich, upper-class white guys. Actually, now that I think about it, the player character in this game bares some resemblance to Lovecraft, at least in their background - descendant of an old, rich family now fallen on hard times. Though I doubt HPL wold have been willing to risk his life delving into ruins and sewers to restore his family to greatness. double nine posted:While I don't excuse lovecraft for his shocking racism even for the times, given that he died due to consequences of malnutrition caused by poverty, I can ... understand but not condone how he came to have those views. When there are days that you literally cannot feed yourself properly, finding someone to look down on/hate/fear/loathe would be appealing. I've heard that some of that might have had to do with the upbringing he got from his grandfather. Apep727 fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Sep 16, 2016 |
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Sep 16, 2016 22:56
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Apep727 posted:Though I doubt HPL wold have been willing to risk his life delving into ruins and sewers to restore his family to greatness. Well, no. The PC in this game hires people to do it for him (or possibly her).
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Sep 16, 2016 22:59
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Apep727 posted:
Lovecraft is the Caretaker.
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Sep 16, 2016 23:45
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I'm looking at A Raving Loon's streams now and he runs two highwaymen, a jester and vestal, in what I believe are the Ruins. Instigates a Shambler fight, wins it, and then immediately runs into the Collector right afterwards, surprising it. Granted, that was 5 months ago and those videos might've been recorded even earlier than that. But still, holy poo poo. Also, no one died that run and one of the highwaymen turned out Vigorous.
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Man, you've got an insane amount of trinkets compared to where I am. I'm playing it my first time through and your write-up in the OP is helpful. I'm not sure how you're getting those trinkets though.
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Grapplejack posted:Man, you've got an insane amount of trinkets compared to where I am. I'm playing it my first time through and your write-up in the OP is helpful. I'm not sure how you're getting those trinkets though. A lot of them come from curio interactions. "Cleansing" a treasure trove results in accessories half the time. Doing so with an Antiquarian helps as well due to their crazy item-find tricks. Choosing your quests properly help as well. Mission difficulty and length factor into your reward, so at this point a medium-length mission on green difficulty would yield me an uncommon(green) accessory while a short-length mission would get me a white(common) one. Finally, the gimmick accessories, as you've seen, are crap-shoots to get. The heads are easy enough to get if you constantly bring a Graverobber/Houndmaster/Bounty Hunter and use the scouting camp skills. That music box I got during the hag mission though, that is the hard one to get. The only other time I got that was during a end-game quest from a curio.
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I bought this game because of your LP. I hope you are happy with what you have done.
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Sep 19, 2016 02:16
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My Dismas has been struck by that most insidious of mind killers.
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New Update - Episode 16: Siren (Not the PS2 Game) Last of the first wave of boss fights, today we look at Hag 2.0. Writeups for both Swine King and Siren will be up soon. Spent too much time enjoying this weekend. RareAcumen posted:My Dismas has been struck by that most insidious of mind killers. We need a garf version of that.
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Sep 19, 2016 19:27
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I take it that there's not enough space for the attack to be named *Unsheathes Katana*?
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Sep 19, 2016 20:09
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Is there a googledoc for suggestions or do we just spam the thread with them?
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I've never seen the formation mess up like that at the end of the Siren bossfight before.  Highwang & Iron Chitlin posted:"I don't see how you play Bethesda games (without mods)." Fair cop, that. Scribbleykins fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Sep 19, 2016 |
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Sep 19, 2016 20:51
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Highwang, is the story you're reading "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward" by any chance? Cause if it is, you've got a few of the details mixed up.
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Devs posted another comic today, most likely trying to finish up their backstories that they left on the backburner for the Sony console ports Technowolf posted:Highwang, is the story you're reading "The Case of Charles Dexter Ward" by any chance? Cause if it is, you've got a few of the details mixed up. Yep. And most likely, during that recording I had just started it.
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Sep 19, 2016 21:19
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That party re-arrangment works if you imagine then muttering 'pardon me', 'excuse me', 'coming through'.
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Sep 19, 2016 21:28
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I loved that story. It has just the right amount of dread and kicking rear end.
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The thing you're talking about (the side event) only happens once you have 4 level 5 heroes, so even if Glukk Glukk levels up to 5, you don't have to worry about it just yet.
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