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I wonder how well you could do maining bastion in comp Ya you would get a lot of mad pubbies, but his recon mode is surprisingly powerful. Only issue I'd see is that you are immediately Public Enemy #1 and the other team will exert all their strength in killing you. Which could be good because distracting the enemy like that in order to get the rest of your team alive Imagine any additional salt from having golden guns  
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Unless I am completely missing something here, Bastion's recon mode seems anything but "surprisingly powerful."
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Oct 17, 2016 17:56
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Bastion is bad though
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RCarr posted:Was there ever any easter egg found with the glowing eyed ravens in the brawl? The easter egg was that they came out and said they dont mean anything besides being creepy crows.
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Internet Explorer posted:Unless I am completely missing something here, Bastion's recon mode seems anything but "surprisingly powerful." Self heal and pretty good damage output, just extremely fragile
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Oct 17, 2016 18:01
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so he's s76 but can't shoot while healing also his model is twice as large?
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Okay fine I was just spitballing but of course my hopes and dreams of a self sustaining salt factory were dashed
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Bastion is only viable on Hanjo tier and Team Hanjo already has #1 in the world Bastion iBeepl .
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I wonder what they could do to his recon mode to make it a bit more viable.
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bastion is fine as he is, not all characters need to be viable at all levels or in all situations
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Internet Explorer posted:Unless I am completely missing something here, Bastion's recon mode seems anything but "surprisingly powerful." I'd say it's surprisingly powerful relative to how little people expect of it. You could probably main bastion in comp just fine, but people won't like you very much and to succeed consistently your team really has to play around you.
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Bill NYSE posted:Who gets to be Krampus? Reaper? Afraid of Audio posted:bastion is fine as he is, not all characters need to be viable at all levels or in all situations Eh, Bastion could be a little more viable so he's a better hard counter to the 3-3, or 5+1 strat. That's as simple as improving his self sustain for the most part, although you could make the speed of Sentry-Recon and Recon-Sentry faster, maybe make the spread in Recon mode lower.
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Bastion needs a stealth mode and shadowstep backstab, he'll be worthy of pro comp play then
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They could just adjust his deploy times according to whatever role they want him in. Flanker? Increase deploy time, decrease recover time so he can escape after a successful flank. Finisher? Decrease deploy time but increase recovery, so now he needs be sure he can kill everything or he'll get destroyed as he switches.
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I was in a comp game with a Bastion yesterday where we did stomp the gently caress out of the other side, but average skill makeup was like 1380, which is far below even my pitiful ranking. I figured if I pocket Mercyed him we wouldn't lose, and I was right. Even though he only moved once.
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They really need to buff mercy's healing rate and damage boost because as someone in some recent thread mentioned, mercy effectively makes your team 5v6
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you can climb just fine as bastion, much like you can as anything else. you just have to be good at it and hope your team is willing to work with your gimmick rather than against itInternet Explorer posted:Unless I am completely missing something here, Bastion's recon mode seems anything but "surprisingly powerful." it is actually surprisingly powerful tbh, the gun does 89/178 dps and that's only a little weaker than soldier's. you can clown on people expecting an easy kill by nailing some headshots recon bastion is still bad tho, don't get me wrong. he has a massive hitbox, no mobility, 20 shots in a clip (hope you've got really good aim because you don't have enough shots to afford missing some), and while his gun may be decent it certainly isn't better than any of the heroes that are likely to chase you down. honestly he feels squishier than tracer sometimes and his range isn't amazing
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Make RMB deploy his little yellow bird that reveals enemies in a small radius for several seconds but only works in recon mode. Enemies will know its up because it will be chirping. When getting hit, each hit reduces the time it takes him to deploy to turret mode. When in turret mode getting hit reduce undeploy time. Now his recon made is an actual recon mode, and being under fire allows him to switch modes more rapidly.
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give bastion a skateboard
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Manatee Cannon posted:give bastion a skateboard This too!
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okay here's a concept: bastion has 200 health and 100 armor, he has two modes called "walk and shooty" and "root and shooty" and he can heal himself, his ultimate turns him into a mobile tank with explosions
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Afraid of Audio posted:okay here's a concept: bastion has 200 health and 100 armor, he has two modes called "walk and shooty" and "root and shooty" and he can heal himself, his ultimate turns him into a mobile tank with explosions That will never fly. What are you stupid?
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RCarr posted:That will never fly. What are you stupid? ah gently caress my bad
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Manatee Cannon posted:you can climb just fine as bastion, much like you can as anything else. you just have to be good at it and hope your team is willing to work with your gimmick rather than against it I can't believe we're seriously discussing this. Okay, so his gun has less dps than Soldier (and a larger spread), he can't sprint, can't drop an AoE heal and continue firing, can't shoot a rocket every 8 seconds, has a giant loving hitbox... yeah, he's "surprisingly powerful" alright!
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yes? it's surprisingly strong in the same way that mercy's pistol is. you can catch people off guard and kill them because it's stronger than people expect but it's not exactly good. what problem do you have with this?
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i think the point of the contention is "wow, you can sometime kill people with this gun!" is not a particularly strong piece of evidence for calling something surprisingly strong because by that qualification lucio's literal pea shooter is surprisingly strong it's not "surprisingly strong" it's just "as expected strong"
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Manatee Cannon posted:yes? it's surprisingly strong in the same way that mercy's pistol is. you can catch people off guard and kill them because it's stronger than people expect but it's not exactly good. what problem do you have with this? This is what I was getting at after having a match where I played bastion mostly in sentry form and owned a bunch of people who thought they'd have an easy kill I didn't really mean for this line of discussion to devolve the way it has so maybe we should move on and not take it as seriously as it was taken
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it's not "you can sometimes kill people with it", it's "you can easily kill people with it because it deals good damage". the damage isn't the problem with it, it's the 20 shot clip and literally everything about recon bastion that is not the gun
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's not "you can sometimes kill people with it", it's "you can easily kill people with it because it deals good damage". the damage isn't the problem with it, it's the 20 shot clip and literally everything about recon bastion that is not the gun but, as someone pointed out, it doesn't deal good damage
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I mean it does but ok
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I like playing Mercy. A lot. It's really fun when your team realises that they stay alive longer when they are protecting the healer that sweeps from player to player. Then there are the other kind of match where you desperatly chase after everyone that goes alone head first into the enemy team while spamming the °need healing° voice clip. And to top it off, they don't care for it when they get it. I had a match where I healed 40% of the damage and rezzed three teammates to capture the point and win the game. It was the PotG and felt quite cool doing it. Then everybody voted for Genji and Bastion.
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Cumtaster posted:but, as someone pointed out, it doesn't deal good damage It is basically a slightly worse soldier gun. Usually I think of recon Bastion as a giant anthropomorphic target begging for the sweet embrace of death, but it turns out he can actually fight back pretty well. If you look at some pro games he has been played, especially by Seagull, even pros seem to get surprised by the damage recon can deal.
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This firearm is surprisingly strong, which I did not expect.
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Cumtaster posted:i think the point of the contention is "wow, you can sometime kill people with this gun!" is not a particularly strong piece of evidence for calling something surprisingly strong because by that qualification lucio's literal pea shooter is surprisingly strong Cowcaster to the rescue. Just because you can kill someone with it, does not make it surprisingly powerful. Being caught off-guard because "holy gently caress a free kill Bastion managed to get a lucky headshot with his spray and pray" does not make it surprisingly powerful. You may have died to it surprisingly, but, well... poo poo happens.
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Bastion's recon mode is to make him not useless when he is getting into position. You aren't going to win a 1v1 against another player with similar skill in recon mode, but it's okay for getting a bit of damage in on someone who managed to get into the backline while you were getting into position.
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strong bird posted:This firearm is surprisingly strong, which I did not expect.
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I have a friend who went for the maximum salt combo. Top 500, golden bastion gun. This is also the #1 acceptable circumstance in which to play bastion.
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Afraid of Audio posted:bastion is fine as he is, not all characters need to be viable at all levels or in all situations Maybe not all situations(cause that would be boring), but I definitely disagree about the all levels point, not really much point to a character in my opinion if they aren't viable both at the lowest scrub levels and the highest comp levels Which admittedly means that a very large percentage of the heroes need some heavy overhauling to fit with what I'm saying
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I think right now the only one that could apply to would be Symmetra. Literally any hero can be viable at low levels, and she's the only one I can't recall seeing recently in competitive play
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If objective and map design are every going to be expanded, the heroes don't necessarily need drastic changes though. i.e. Widow = immobile while scoped, has poor peripheral vision and can't contest a point but if Blizz were to release a new map called Anubis 2 with 2x sniper nests accessible only by long range teleport/grappling hook with full view of the capture point, cover for LoSing/peeking and a health pack spawn then suddenly widow becomes broken tier on that map. It would never happen to this extent but you see how the map can be designed to play more to a certain hero's strengths and minimise its weaknesses. One example in the game currently is Mei on Hanamura point A defence. You can camp that big wooden doorway and troll icewall teams in half whenever they try to push in. Blizzard have this really strange tendency in some of their other games to gently caress with the numbers to such a drastic extent they end up destroying their own game systems. WanderingKid fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Oct 17, 2016 |
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