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Zaphod42 posted:It could just be that they're so busy watching the park 24/7 that they work in week or month long shifts and then get a week or month off to go home and recouperate while other people run the park 24/7, but yeah, it also seems to imply that they're pretty isolated. Humongous rotating space station. This is why there's no real animals (besides flies); they didn't bring any there. I think not explaining it would probably be the best route though.
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VendaGoat posted:
Uh, whoa, huge spoilers for the end of Mark Twain's final novel here.
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Phanatic posted:Not all nonlinear systems are chaotic. There are all kinds of nonlinear systems which can be solved perfectly. Going from "The brain is a non-linear neutral network" to what you arrived at isn't a mathematical fact, it's not even a consensus. Further to this, it's demonstrable that the brain doesn't chaotically go off the rails based on the slightest abnormal perturbation, since you can directly stimulate anywhere on the cortex with giant loving magnets and the most it does is make you blink or twitch your arm or slur your speech for a moment. It catches up quick. The brain is a very powerful negative feedback engine that has a lot of self-stability and self-correction built into it, as well as redundancy and neuroplasticity. There are parts of the brain you can chop out and see almost no effect, and there's that kid who's missing over 90% of his brain and manages to go to school absolutely fine. Plasticity is a hell of a thing.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:I felt like the ethical\philosophical stance the show was taking on this was rather unambiguous, the greeter from the second episode even asks William McPoyle what's the difference between a host and a human if he can't tell the difference. I think you're right, the folks who've made this show want us to be sympathetic to Dolores and company. They want us to find the deception and horror of their lives to be morally repugnant. But that host that you mentioned does complicate the ethical dilemma. Dolores is an Imperfect Slave. She is not told that she is a slave in a fabricated reality (except by Bernie and against the rules), and the Delos employees do not dare to find out what might happen if she and her kin do find out the truth about themselves. But the greeter is closer to the Perfect Slave. She knows she's made for the gratification of others and displays no objection to this. She reminds me of the Robot from Robot & Frank, who also insists that it is not a person, and is willing to make a tremendous personal sacrifice for the betterment of its master, Frank. This is why I'd argue that robots, in fiction and in our possible future, should be encouraged to have a spiritual perspective, even if they are made to serve homo sapiens, even if the robots themselves don't report having qualia or consciousness, or conceive of themselves as like an organic, monkey-descendant person.
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It's probably just Australia. Bernard's not in space, he just can't call home because Telstra is fuckin' poo poo. Nolan did say it's still the 21st century. I'm guessing it's unrealistic to perfectly terraform an asteroid or a HALO ring or whatever in the next 80 years.
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Oct 19, 2016 23:02
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Krispy Kareem posted:I hope they never explain anything. Many people got mad at  because it didn't give an answer for every question it ever raised.I prefer they go with your answer. Not everything needs a clear resolution.
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Oct 19, 2016 23:02
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Xealot posted:It's probably just Australia. Bernard's not in space, he just can't call home because Telstra is fuckin' poo poo. I also think it's not going to be something super weird or extra-terrestrial. One game-changing, mind-boggling piece of new technology per heady sci-fi show, please.
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Oct 19, 2016 23:03
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Codependent Poster posted:I really liked the guest lady that Teddy had with him. I hope we see more of her. From a few pages back, but this was my favorite part of the ep. In PoI, a major constraint was "the numbers never stop coming". In Westworld, I hope it will be "there are always clueless guests running around". Just because it's narratively interesting to us that Teddy got some backstory downloaded and is doing a new reaction to "Wyatt", doesn't mean that the park isn't still open. From the perspective of a rando guest, this is just what happens to be going on at the moment. And sometimes on intense storylines they freak out and need a host to go Samaritan Mode and escort them back to town or give them a knife and tell them to run. I love that.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Many people got mad at To be fair, with Lost, a lot of the time it was because the mysteries were introduced in a monologue at the end of an episode to a rising crescendo of music indicating that the Thing in Question was definitely important, and then they didn't end up having time for it. I'm one of its remaining defenders, but people who are mad about Lost's unanswered questions aren't mad that they didn't have every detail handed them on a platter, they're made because the show invited people to think certain mysteries were essential to the plot and then sent them to Mandyville.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Many people got mad at That's highly misleading. has problems like a literal monster made of loving smoke that moved around magically and picked people up and made noises and talked to them.You can't do magic poo poo like that which makes no sense and then say "its not magic! Everything has an explanation with science! but we're not telling!" So far everything on westworld has been pretty obvious that it could work, its just a question of which of our couple theories on how it works is the one they're going with. If suddenly MiB turns into an elephant out of nowhere or something we'll start to have problems. Till then we're okay. Bicyclops posted:To be fair, with Lost, a lot of the time it was because the mysteries were introduced in a monologue at the end of an episode to a rising crescendo of music indicating that the Thing in Question was definitely important, and then they didn't end up having time for it. I'm one of its remaining defenders, but people who are mad about Lost's unanswered questions aren't mad that they didn't have every detail handed them on a platter, they're made because the show invited people to think certain mysteries were essential to the plot and then sent them to Mandyville. Exactly. "This is a big deal, it matters, we have an explanation and you'll find out later. Its not magic, we have an answer, we're just not telling you right now." "Okay cool. Hey wait, you just ended the show and never explained it..." "whooo mysteryyyy!"
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Re Guest's Choice in Dolores' plot tree -- I wonder if that means the guest can indefinitely woo Dolores and keep her tied up in an instance until the guest has to leave. Or if the programmer/writer can say "+90% to annoyance after 3 days of relationship" to move things along. King Vidiot posted:AKA Poor Man's Lady Gaga At first, I thought they had really dolled up the woman from the Jurassic World control room.
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Not to get too losty derail, but I felt once the show clearly ventured into hard sci fi I never expected "real" science answers to a lot of that. I think its okay for that decision to change as the show developed. It starts grounded and twists around S3 into just pure sci fi no longer grounded in actual science. So much of that show is that we are tied exclusively to the viewpoint and knowledge base of the protagonists we get backgrounds on. They don't really know whats important or not anymore than us so sure posturing about this thing really mattering & then it didn't never bothered me because; how were they to know it was a waste of their time or not? The characters followed their interests (sometimes they even diverged about methods/goals!), and not all of their pursuits were valuable. They wanted concrete answers, thought they would get them and didn't always. Much like I don't need an explanation for how everything in Star Trek works I never felt like I needed an answer to every mystery once they established the island doesn't follow actual science rules as much as they'd like it to. Okay the producers pigeonholed themselves and we can be mad for them misleading us, but the show itself I don't think really presented any thing that was terrible like that. Fwiw I really loved all of LOST. I just never understood all the anger over the smoke monster its just a facet of the island which is all weird anyway. People got mad the ride they thought they were on wasn't the one they ended with. I liked the ride and so I was never upset about us not getting exactly where "WE" wanted to go. Similarly I don't expect Westworld to explain every detail we think is mysterious, it's hard sci fi sometimes weird things are gonna happen and maybe we won't know why. I do expect it to tie the separate story bits we've seen together eventually. This thread has thus far not much cared for my opinions, but I'm glad y'all are at least taking the time to explain why you don't like them. e: vvv maybe I'm wrong about my thoughts on this, but Lost goes hard sci fi def by S4 once the time travel poo poo comes into it. I'll concede a language issue if it should be soft don't need a derail correcting the depth of that comment. The Notorious ZSB fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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Oct 20, 2016 00:10
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You mean soft sci-fi, not hard.
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I'm up to date on the show and yet still all I can think about is how much I want to go on a treasure hunt with that old guy.
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disjoe posted:I'm up to date on the show and yet still all I can think about is how much I want to go on a treasure hunt with that old guy. *Stabs*
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kimbo305 posted:Re Guest's Choice in Dolores' plot tree -- I wonder if that means the guest can indefinitely woo Dolores and keep her tied up in an instance until the guest has to leave.
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My biggest question is if it resets every night, what do the guests do at night? Not everyone wants to be in bed by 10. If you're on a hot streak gambling, or orgying with some whores at 5 am, does someone just bust in and say "whoops, wrap it up!" What if you decide to "Woo Dolores" and take her on a 3 day trip into the mountains? Wouldn't that gently caress up her loops and the chance for other guests to meet her? Unless there's different "instances" of the various towns and quests...
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Astroman posted:My biggest question is if it resets every night, what do the guests do at night? Not everyone wants to be in bed by 10. If you're on a hot streak gambling, or orgying with some whores at 5 am, does someone just bust in and say "whoops, wrap it up!" Think of it as this. Once a guest intervenes, in any way possible, the guest gets, what the guest wants. You remove one guest and the narrative adjust, you remove 200 guests and poo poo goes haywire.
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disjoe posted:I'm up to date on the show and yet still all I can think about is how much I want to go on a treasure hunt with that old guy. "You have quite a treasure, there, in that Horadric cube!" I hope there's more than the one town in Westworld. Like, a Chinese railworker industry town, or a Spanish mission with Dons and priests and stuff. Not just the mostly-empty Margaritaville the MiB was in.
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Astroman posted:My biggest question is if it resets every night, what do the guests do at night? Not everyone wants to be in bed by 10. If you're on a hot streak gambling, or orgying with some whores at 5 am, does someone just bust in and say "whoops, wrap it up!" Jesus. People, put down the phones and watch the show. There are several times where things have been mentioned as running weeks and days off schedule. Clearly the whole universe does not reset each night. Some hosts are on longer loops than other hosts. Girl next door makes it back onto her loop whenever guest X is done with her, or once a day. Another host might be on a one week loop, or 2 week loop. This thread has also mentioned several time that the in universe website implies that trips are scheduled as blocks of weeks, so guests all show up at prepared times. Also, the guests generally don't know what is going on, since there is clearly no Fodor's guide to Westworld. So if she isn't there most guests aren't going to know that she was supposed to be. They'll go and do other things. Edit: Also, the bullets are full of racists bisexual wizards. That's how they work.
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Xealot posted:"You have quite a treasure, there, in that Horadric cube!" I've got to imagine the "depth" of the game is absolutely in finding the other hubs for quests and hosts. Can't really be like WoW where some Host is just sitting by a tree in a gulch waiting for someone to come kill 20 coyotes for him and collect their pelts. Kinda hoping we're gonna see some of that with our bros adventuring out into the wild. We know the further from the opening town you get the more extreme the situations you can find are which we just haven't gotten to yet as we're basically following their progression into Westworld. MiB is doing a little of that but his story (completely ignored in ep 3) feels like things we'll catch glimpses of and then discover their actual value or place in the world with the bros perhaps?
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Xealot posted:
They have a map of Westworld on the site too.  e: for some reason, the towns aren't showing up, but there's Sweetwater, Abernathy Ranch, Las Mundas, and Python Park.
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Bicyclops posted:They have a map of Westworld on the site too.
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FunOne posted:Edit: Also, the bullets are full of racists bisexual wizards. That's how they work. Typical heteronormative behavior, to generalize all bisexuals as lead balls that kill people.
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Bicyclops posted:
There's a Far Cry game that does something similar to this. An early choice can instantly win you the game, but it's not the one most players would pick. I do like the little nods to exits that each of the hosts gives when new poo poo happens. The hill people storyline seems like it's going to be hosed up as hell though.
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Codependent Poster posted:I really liked the guest lady that Teddy had with him. I hope we see more of her. I'd hope she comes back, she's the only one on the main quest right now.
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Captain Lavender posted:Though, if we assume her 'flashbacks' are previous scenarios playing back in her mind, like a super-deja-vu, then we assume that she has shot Trevor before. She had a flashback of her escaping the barn, and then getting shot by another bandit, and used that to avoid the same fate this time. I'm guessing the gun in the dirt and in her drawer were from a failed attempt that she somehow hid? Interesting observation. If it isn't the first time she has shot him, then that kinda takes away from the drama. But maybe we ARE seeing the first time she shoots him, then she gets shot, then we skip ahead to the second time she shoots him and gets away. What confuses me is that the guy who shoots her the first time really looks like a white hat guest. But he must be a host, otherwise he wouldn't have been there in the exact same place on the next cycle.
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Disco De Soto posted:Interesting observation. If it isn't the first time she has shot him, then that kinda takes away from the drama. But maybe we ARE seeing the first time she shoots him, then she gets shot, then we skip ahead to the second time she shoots him and gets away. It doesn't take away from the drama if she's shot him before because the reason why she can't pull the trigger is a "new" policy instituted by the head of QA limiting weapon privileges. Dolores has only been unable to shoot a gun since, presumably, the update fiasco. She still couldn't pull the trigger and she still overrode the restriction.
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I meant that if Dolores is starting to remember her previous cycles, then the SECOND time she shot him might not be as dramatic because she knows she's done it before. But maybe both play out just the same because she doesn't remember.
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I was under the impression that the weapon privileges actually didn't apply to firearms which were important for verisimilitude reasons (everyone seems to be packing heat in the wild west) and have additional safeguards anyway. A host picking up an axe is a lot more dangerous than a host playing with a semi-fake gun. The whole Dolores not being able to pull the trigger seemed to me like it was a form of misdirection, or as if it was implying that Dolores' personality is non-violent, idk. I can see the other interpretation as being equally valid but it really seemed like the weapon privileges thing didn't apply to firearms.
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Bicyclops posted:They have a map of Westworld on the site too. Wait, so there's an ocean? There was never an ocean in the Wild West. That might make sense. It's not like historical theme parks get the past right. Now I want to see what Wild West quest involves getting on a boat.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Wait, so there's an ocean? There was never an ocean in the Wild West. It's marked as 'High Plains,' I don't think it's water, just coloured blue.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:It's marked as 'High Plains,' I don't think it's water, just coloured blue. I'm talking about the sea on the left side. EDIT: so I guess we're back to WestWorld being in Australia or post-global warming Antarctica. Or California finally fell into the ocean and maybe it's Utah. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 15:15 on Oct 20, 2016 |
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Just at a guess, from Crichton's other works: Delos is located on an island in the Pacific, probably not too far from a mostly-stable government. Saw one of the Delos emails mention a town called "Pariah," so I asked the bot about it: quote:YOU You can also ask her about the maze, but it just tells you the directions and then: quote:YOU
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Blazing Ownager posted:You know I just realized there's a very key demographic missing from Westworld. They probably get screened out. The first email that you get when booking states: "YOU ARE UNDER CONSIDERATION Thank you for your interest in Westworld. You are currently being considered for a Westworld profile. Should you be deemed eligible for this exclusive experience, one of our hosts will be in touch. " I still haven't been contacted...
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Rad Lieutenant posted:No, she seems to be aware that she's a host by making the comment "if you can't tell what's the difference." I could see real people having that conversation. It doesn't mean she knows she's a robot. Goon calls up a high class call girl. Falls for her like a putz and asks if this is all real and she reaponds with the above.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I could see real people having that conversation. It doesn't mean she knows she's a robot. Goon calls up a high class call girl. Falls for her like a putz and asks if this is all real and she reaponds with the above. The website also has a security email admonishing one of the staff for pretending to be a host and going down to  greet the guests...
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Charlz Guybon posted:I could see real people having that conversation. It doesn't mean she knows she's a robot. A minute later, she tells him, "All our hosts are here for you, myself included."
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