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Bigass Moth: Mar 6, 2004; I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...

Rip Jax Dane you were too good for the nwa.

# ? Oct 22, 2016 13:00

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 23:01

rovert: Jun 10, 2013

As someone who gave warning a few weeks ago that TNA was going to have a next level death lurch. Like that I can only just give an early warning that indie Wrestling and Wrestling in general's landscape is set to change forever starting next week and not how you immediately think. :munch:

rovert fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Oct 22, 2016

# ? Oct 22, 2016 19:28

rare Magic card l00k: Jan 3, 2011

rovert posted:

As someone who gave warning a few weeks ago that TNA was going to have a next level death lurch. Like that I can only just give an early warning that indie Wrestling and Wrestling in general's landscape is set to change forever starting next week and not hw you immediately think.

Sorry but the Tim "Perfect" Storm has already hit the NWA to change wrestling forever.

# ? Oct 22, 2016 19:31

Bigass Moth: Mar 6, 2004; I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.

he knows...

Major changes coming. Don't ask what the changes are.

# ? Oct 22, 2016 19:33

Chris James 2: Aug 9, 2012

All I immediately think is "big indie closing" or "big indie getting streaming or TV deal"

# ? Oct 22, 2016 19:36

UltimoDragonQuest: Oct 5, 2011

Chris James 2 posted:

"big indie getting streaming or TV deal"

Yeah I immediately thought of Dave's unnamed WWE Network competitor (Fight App was later mentioned) from the 4 tier survey show.

# ? Oct 22, 2016 19:40

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

Chris James 2 posted:

All I immediately think is "big indie getting streaming"

where you been

https://www.czwstudios.com/subscribe

# ? Oct 22, 2016 21:49

Super No Vacancy: Jul 26, 2012

yeah i thought of dave saying "a run on indie libraries" between wwe and their mystery competitor

# ? Oct 22, 2016 21:51

Durk Hendrunkqs: Dec 12, 2006; It's useless.

loving poo poo the ISW show on the 19th is cancelled apparently. Extremely saddened about this.

Edit: Reacted too soon. They're finding a different venue.

Durk Hendrunkqs fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Oct 22, 2016

# ? Oct 22, 2016 22:38

UltimoDragonQuest: Oct 5, 2011

The war on southern New England venues marches on

# ? Oct 22, 2016 22:57

coconono: Aug 11, 2004; KISS ME KRIS

is the NWA title still a bought title or have they stopped doing that?

# ? Oct 22, 2016 23:04

Thauros: Jan 29, 2003

coconono posted:

is the NWA title still a bought title or have they stopped doing that?

the guy using the Sheikh gimmick who bought the title was pre Tharpe and I don't think that's happened since then. At the very least I think it's safe to say Tenzan and Kojima didn't.

# ? Oct 23, 2016 01:19

StarkRavingMad: Sep 27, 2001; Yams Fan

Fenix hurt his shoulder tonight, I hope it isn't too serious :smith:

https://twitter.com/luchablog/status/790019580773093376

# ? Oct 23, 2016 06:39

ARMBAR A COP: Nov 24, 2007

Yo, I was just at HOODSLAM and I'm covered in blood sprayed by some Nazi while a metal band played in the ring. Also Van Helsing and Blade teamed up to fight the Brood.

# ? Oct 23, 2016 08:59

Germansimp: May 28, 2013

StarkRavingMad posted:

Fenix hurt his shoulder tonight, I hope it isn't too serious

https://twitter.com/luchablog/status/790019580773093376

Here's a video of the spot where he was injured:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb5kJ3uNBik

At least they were smart enough to go to the finish immediately and didn't continue because one of them still had to get his poo poo in.

# ? Oct 23, 2016 11:16

StarkRavingMad: Sep 27, 2001; Yams Fan

Germansimp posted:

Here's a video of the spot where he was injured:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fb5kJ3uNBik

At least they were smart enough to go to the finish immediately and didn't continue because one of them still had to get his poo poo in.

Oh that sucks. It looks like they were supposed to come off the rope walk at the same time so Fenix would get like kicked out of the air with little real impact, but he slipped off the rope at the worst time and got legit kicked/leg dropped in the shoulder instead. From the look of it, that's a dislocation at best.

# ? Oct 23, 2016 17:53

Chris James 2: Aug 9, 2012

rovert posted:

As someone who gave warning a few weeks ago that TNA was going to have a next level death lurch. Like that I can only just give an early warning that indie Wrestling and Wrestling in general's landscape is set to change forever starting next week and not how you immediately think.

https://twitter.com/thewadekeller/status/790361593129291776
itshappening.gif

# ? Oct 24, 2016 03:08

EugeneJ: Feb 5, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

You know...now would be a decent time for TNA's roster to walk out and unionize

Maybe something good can come from TNA after all

# ? Oct 24, 2016 03:29

Platypus Farm: Jul 12, 2003; Francis is my name, and breeding is my game. All bow before the fertile smut-god!

EugeneJ posted:

You know...now would be a decent time for TNA's roster to walk out and unionize

Maybe something good can come from TNA after all

And then two days later the company shuts down and no one gives a poo poo about their union except people who make documentaries on pro wrestling fifteen years from now?

# ? Oct 24, 2016 04:07

Chris James 2: Aug 9, 2012

It's streaming

MLW posted:

Let's just say the topic of viable streaming business strategies will be a conversation exhausted this week.

# ? Oct 24, 2016 04:14

Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

Either Sinclair is buying TNA or WWE is buying ROH from Sinclair

# ? Oct 24, 2016 04:15

Bizarro Kanyon: Jan 3, 2007; Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!

Chris James 2 posted:

https://twitter.com/thewadekeller/status/790361593129291776
itshappening.gif

I am guessing that WWE is offering slots on the network to various indy promotions (Chikara, PWG, etc)

# ? Oct 24, 2016 04:16

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

Probably Flo Sports not WWE. We know Flo has been going after tape libraries and WWE has only been testing the waters recently no way they already have details worked out for actual news to drop.

# ? Oct 24, 2016 04:22

Chris James 2: Aug 9, 2012

Sorry Seltzer and Seller, the real bomb already got dropped

https://twitter.com/ddtpro/status/790048072222973952
DDT streaming service coming soon

# ? Oct 24, 2016 04:25

rovert: Jun 10, 2013

HEEL GOLDBERG

# ? Oct 24, 2016 08:01

Skarsnik: Oct 21, 2008; I...AM...RUUUDE!

Flash Morgan Webster is on deal or no deal right now, channel 4 (UK)

# ? Oct 24, 2016 15:35

Thauros: Jan 29, 2003

oatgan posted:

Probably Flo Sports not WWE. We know Flo has been going after tape libraries and WWE has only been testing the waters recently no way they already have details worked out for actual news to drop.

https://twitter.com/SoDuTw/status/790560997903851520

# ? Oct 24, 2016 15:38

Roque11: Aug 7, 2016

This Flo Sports deal will mean more money and exposure for indie wrestlers. Now they won't have to bother with going to WWE. Looks like WWE's big streak of signing I die names from around the world ends in 2016.

# ? Oct 24, 2016 15:50

oatgan: Jan 15, 2009

if they stream live events I'll subscribe because $20 is already less than I'm spending on Evolve every month but if it's just archives no thank you

Roque11 posted:

This Flo Sports deal will mean more money and exposure for indie wrestlers. Now they won't have to bother with going to WWE. Looks like WWE's big streak of signing I die names from around the world ends in 2016.

WWE is an investor in Flo :ssh:

# ? Oct 24, 2016 15:52

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

Roque11 posted:

This Flo Sports deal will mean more money and exposure for indie wrestlers. Now they won't have to bother with going to WWE. Looks like WWE's big streak of signing I die names from around the world ends in 2016.

I know this is said a lot but it's uncanny how much you sound like a TNAMecca poster.

e: I'd be in for the $12.50/mo if you sign up for a year in advance. That's about the price point I'm willing to do, as long as there's a free trial period to see if the thing doesn't constantly buffer like mad.

flashy_mcflash fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Oct 24, 2016

# ? Oct 24, 2016 15:54

Endless Mike: Aug 13, 2003

I hope Progressive advertises on Flo

# ? Oct 24, 2016 15:56

OJ MIST 2 THE DICK: Sep 11, 2008; Anytime I need to see your face I just close my eyes
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Take up shelter in the base of my spine
Sweet like a chica cherry cola
-Cheap Trick; Nap Ghost

So where is this announcement or press release anyway

# ? Oct 24, 2016 16:08

flashy_mcflash: Feb 7, 2011

Dave says that PWG content on this thing is out of the question and that WWE is an unknown (or, he says it's about as likely as WWE sharing content with NJPW and vice versa).

Also

Dave posted:

I haven't gone through this, but PWG turned them down flat without a conversation.

That is not happening. PWG turned Fite TV down flat as well.

The WWE story and involvement is interesting and fascinating. WWE owns a stake but the deal they signed is they have zero influence or say so, total silent partner like Abu Dhabi in UFC, so Zero that you wouldn't believe one move they tried to make but didn't as of yet.

Anything at all written about WWE and them is premature. As of this minute, the sides have not even had the first conversation although guaranteed they will.

But idea that WWE will give them stuff or they'll give WWE stuff, while possible they could reach an agreement, it's every bit as possible as WWE will give NJPW stuff and NJPW will give WWE stuff, or same with ROH (which I think has allowed WWE to use some stuff) maybe slightly more but only slightly.

WWE is not happy that the price value has just skyrocketed (and that word is not exaggerated) if they want to get into the indie content game, and they obviously did based on their surveys.

Also, more importantly, if you are Adam Cole, Kyle O'Reilly and the Young Bucks, you have no idea what good news this could be.

Here's Wade Keller's take:

quote:

FloSports launching WWE Network-like streaming service available on Apple TV and Roku for non-WWE wrestling promotions worldwide
By Wade Keller, PWTorch editor

October 24, 2016

If the future of pro wrestling revenue is subscription-based streaming, as WWE believes it is, a new competitor has emerged today with major funding to compete for rights to non-WWE content.

PWTorch has learned that FloSports, a rapidly expanding start-up with a recent inection of $21.2 million in funding behind it, is expected to announce today its move into the pro wrestling category under the title FloSlam with multiple wrestling brands affiliated with it out of the gate, and more serious negotiations under way.

FloSports describes itself as follows: �FloSports is a direct-to-consumer, subscription-based sports media company in Austin, Texas, that is unlocking a world of sports coverage that true fans have been waiting for.�

The short-term impact on the industry is that there could be actual bidding or competition between WWE and FloSports for pro wrestling content outside of WWE worldwide, including the companies WWE has asked its fans about in their recent surveys. This list of potential FloSports partners includes ROH, EVOLVE, Pro Wrestling Guerrilla, the burgeoning U.K. indy scene, CMLL in Mexico, and New Japan Pro Wrestling or other Japan groups. FloSports is willing to inject a significant amount of up-front money to major indy groups that sign up, giving them the revenue necessary to better compete for indy wrestler salaries and hire international established stars for their bigger shows. This could mean indy wrestlers won�t be as quick to jump at WWE�s offers to join NXT if they can make a significantly better financial deal outside of WWE.

Wrestlers such as James Storm and the Young Bucks are among the small handful who could have signed with WWE�s NXT but have been given big enough offers from TNA and ROH, respectively, to decide to pursue their careers outside of the WWE environment. FloSports has the funding and economies-of-scale platform, with the network available to subscribers via an app on Apple TV and Roku, just announced two weeks ago, along with computer and phone streaming, to offer their affiliated wrestling companies a chance to market their product on a more reliable, accessible platform than ever before, the widest audience yet.

Instead of the iPPV format some indy groups have struggled to gain traction with, FloSlam will be offering a flat rate monthly access in the $20 range per month (and less with a one-year subscription) to unlock and stream live and on demand all pro wrestling offerings on the network, which could also include library content of indy promotions, documentaries, and regional wrestling content not acquired by WWE Network.

FloSports, coincidentally, received funding from WWE earlier this year, but that does not mean WWE has influence over decisions they make. FloSports originally launched as a vehicle to offer niche sports to hardcore fans in various amateur categories such as amateur wrestling, gymnastics, tennis, track, basketball, and martial arts. In effect, it turns out WWE invested in a streaming service that could drive up the price of what they�ll have to pay to attain rights to indy wrestling on WWE Network.

WWE has surveyed their fans in recent weeks about their level of interest in streaming independent wrestling on WWE Network, including a higher priced tier featuring non-WWE content. This is, in great part, due to knowledge that FloSports was making offers to various non-WWE pro wrestling companies domestically and internationally.

FloSports is determined to create a mega-streaming headquarters for non-WWE programming worldwide, including hiring a full time managing editor who will attend and produce original content at the major weekend events, including backstage interviews. Some well-known names in pro wrestling took notice of the job listing and applied. There is talk of other initiatives that would create a connection between some of the major indy groups in other ways.

PWTorch has reached out to FloSlam for confirmation on when they plan to announce details officially. PWTorch sources indicate the announcement is expected as soon as this afternoon.

Keller�s Analysis: This development, at least in the short-run, will create viable career options that didn�t exist before for pro wrestling outside of WWE, some of whom would prefer to make a living on the indy scene in the U.S. and internationally. This is an opportunity for indy wrestling to step up and prove it can attract a wider national fanbase who will pay for the convenience and reliability of live streaming events on a platform bigger and more well-funded than any previously.

For years I�ve spoken and written about this possibility, including on a PWTorch Livecast with ex-WWE Creative Team member Matt McCarthy � imagining an economies-of-scale platform that could give indy companies a real chance to earn game-changing revenue by putting on events that attracts subscribers and repeat routine viewership. The iPPV market has been riddled with technical issues and has reached only a niche market. FloSports has the platform, including their new Apple TV and Roku apps, to take away any excuse pro wrestling fans have who are disgruntled with WWE and really like alternative products but found accessing them inconvenient.

The money FloSports can provide to indy groups will create more sustainable jobs for pro wrestlers outside of WWE. If WWE responds by trying to aggressively acquire content rights instead, which is a possibilities, that will mean more funding for indy wrestling also. Without FloSports making offers to acquire content rights, WWE would have little incentive to offer strong financial deals.

TNA attempted at its launch point a �weekly PPV service� with Jerry and Jeff Jarrett figuring �the Internet fan base� would support a $9.99 weekly PPV service. The numbers of customers were massively lower than the projections the Jarretts made, they lost a lot of money, and TNA eventually shifted to a more traditional business plan with national TV and monthly PPVs. FloSlam is betting the time is right to offer pro wrestling fans a chance to access live events every weekend on their TVs for a flat fee. They have the infrastructure in place technically, and are putting a lot of money on the line to make a big splash. They are moving from a 7,000 square foot headquarters to one ten times that size next year in Austin, Tex. due to the rapid growth and early success of the business.

If subscriptions end up very low and don�t grow, it might not last or might not have much impact, as eventually the revenue going to indy companies will be based on the actual subscriber base and viewership of the events. At the start, though, FloSports has the funding to bid more than WWE can justify for non-WWE wrestling content. If subscriptions are strong out of the gate and grow, FloSlam could end up being a legitimate game-changing platform that can create dozens of well paying jobs for pro wrestlers who didn�t have a viable option before when they had to piece together paydays from live events around the world based solely on ticket revenue or indy promoters with deep pockets.

WWE might not be thrilled they unwittingly invested in a streaming service that in essence will compete for streaming rights of non-WWE wrestling shows, but FloSlam�s success could help develop the next generation of indy stars who would otherwise not have gotten the seasoning outside of WWE or opportunity in NXT to become the next Daniel Bryan or Kevin Owens. As much as WWE values having their own feeder system and training center, it only boosts their future to have more companies developing the next generation of talent.

For pro wrestling fans, FloSlam the most real opportunity to regularly see live non-WWE pro wrestling on a reliable, convenient platform for a reasonable price. For pro wrestlers, if FloSlam succeeds, it gives indy wrestlers more of a chance at sustainable full time careers and it gives WWE wrestlers negotiating leverage and more of them than ever a viable alternative to working for WWE full time � if the fan support ends up being there.

flashy_mcflash fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Oct 24, 2016

# ? Oct 24, 2016 18:46

Muddy Burphy: Dec 4, 2010; The #RXT REVOLUTION has two words for ya..
SCOOP IT!

he knows...

I'm curious as to how many subscribers will be needed for this to be financially viable. If they're giving big money up-front I imagine it would have to be pretty high.

# ? Oct 24, 2016 18:55

EugeneJ: Feb 5, 2012; by FactsAreUseless

Muddy Burphy posted:

I'm curious as to how many subscribers will be needed for this to be financially viable. If they're giving big money up-front I imagine it would have to be pretty high.

What if they become the ones to bail out TNA

# ? Oct 24, 2016 19:02

Happy Happyist: Jul 23, 2007; I need your assistance to make the world blue and change it into a happy and peaceful society.

Any idea on why PWG isn't interested in this? Are they trying to keep their cult following vibe?

Also, I would love to see Chikara on this but they have their own subscription service. Hm.

# ? Oct 24, 2016 19:11

Beef Jerky Robot: Sep 20, 2009; "And the DICK?"

Happy Happyist posted:

Any idea on why PWG isn't interested in this? Are they trying to keep their cult following vibe?

probably the same reason they don't move to a bigger venue

also idk if them already having stuff on the highspots service affects their decision at all

# ? Oct 24, 2016 19:14

El Gallinero Gros: Mar 17, 2010

PWG's roster consists of people under contract to other companies, it would probably complicate things greatly. Also, Excalibur has said that the idea of things being any more complicated than they presently are sounds like more trouble than it's worth. I remember during an interview he was asked about iPPV and said that even if it weren't for the contract issues, it just seems too stressful.

And if Highspots is smart, they probably have a contract with PWG re:streaming rights.

El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 24, 2016

# ? Oct 24, 2016 19:22

Happy Happyist: Jul 23, 2007; I need your assistance to make the world blue and change it into a happy and peaceful society.

El Gallinero Gros posted:

PWG's roster consists of people under contract to other companies, it would probably complicate things greatly. Also, Excalibur has said that the idea of things being any more complicated than they presently are sounds like more trouble than it's worth. I remember during an interview he was asked about iPPV and said that even if it weren't for the contract issues, it just seems too stressful.

And if Highspots is smart, they probably have a contract with PWG re:streaming rights.

Ahhh, that makes perfect sense. Indy contracts are funky.

# ? Oct 24, 2016 19:26

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Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

I can't even imagine the headache of trying to broadcast an iPPV from the Reseda Legion.

# ? Oct 24, 2016 19:31

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