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are we going to have the mccarthy argument again
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Oct 19, 2016 04:35
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Tree Goat posted:This is the ideal situation because now the committee has an excuse not to award another American a lit prize for a decade and a half minimum, but the prize was not given to an American author, who would then put on airs above their station. this is good
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fantasy zone posted:vann was described to me as an alaskan mccarthy and that made me decide he's really bad I don't see it. Vann's style is less dense and more emotionally engaging, McCarthy always feels detached from the characters and action. Sounds like someone looked at a Vann book and said 'Violence, Dark Subject, No Quotations? Alaskan McCarthy!".
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Oct 19, 2016 13:32
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chernobyl kinsman posted:are we going to have the mccarthy argument again I hope not, because anybody who shows up on the same side of a literary argument as Nicholas Sparks should be shamed into silence forever.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:00
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So, a somewhat obscure writer I like, Steven Sherrill, has a new book out. The Minotaur takes his Own Sweet Time, which is a sequel to The Minotaur takes a Cigarette Break. I have always liked his writing so I am excited to check it out.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:11
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I remember the Minotaur Takes a Cigarette Break getting a ton of recs back in the day, but I never read it. It is cool that it is getting a sequel tho!
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Oct 19, 2016 17:18
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Mel Mudkiper posted:So, a somewhat obscure writer I like, Steven Sherrill, has a new book out. I loved this book and am very glad it has a sequel. Hopefully it's good. Please report back if you read it.
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Oct 19, 2016 17:27
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It's also set in a version of my home town which is also kind of exciting
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Oct 19, 2016 17:32
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I jumped on the Aquarium bandwagon. Fucken owns.
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Oct 20, 2016 01:29
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Seems we've become an Aquarium of Vann fans.
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Oct 21, 2016 14:17
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Franchescanado posted:Seems we've become an Aquarium of Vann fans. 
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Oct 21, 2016 16:45
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Men with Venn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70XkFKaq3W4
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mdemone posted:I hope not, because anybody who shows up on the same side of a literary argument as Nicholas Sparks should be shamed into silence forever. What does the Sparks say? e: yikes quote:"Cormac McCarthy? Horrible...This is probably the most pulpy, overwrought, melodramatic cowboy vs. Indians story ever written." Baku fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Oct 21, 2016 |
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Oct 21, 2016 19:31
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Suggestions for next month's BOTM? The Basement Tapes is already on the list
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Oct 21, 2016 20:19
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Suggestions for next month's BOTM? legend of a suicide or goat mountain by david vann this way i have an excuse to spend money on one of them
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Oct 21, 2016 20:39
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My only concern with doing older Vann as BOTM is that the library peasants will probably have a terrible time tracking it down I think we should hit another non-white author before the year is over myself I nominate either Man Tiger by Eka Kurniawan or Homegoing by Yaa Gyasi
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Oct 21, 2016 22:00
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I nominate either Man Tiger by Eka Kurniawan You could go with a big cat double feature with Confessions of a Lioness by Mia Couto.
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I decided this was worthwhile and you'd love it (sarcasm). Here's a bit by Scott Bakker on the 'meta' that touches literature as well. Or, what happens to literature when the world changes? quote:“Exactly the same lesson is learned by Captain Kirk and Captain Jean-Luc Picard as they travel the galaxy in the starship Enterprise, by Huckleberry Finn and Jim as they sail down the Mississippi, by Wyatt and Billy as they ride their Harley Davidson’s in Easy Rider, and by countless other characters in myriad other road movies who leave their home town in Pennsylvannia (or perhaps New South Wales), travel in an old convertible (or perhaps a bus), pass through various life-changing experiences, get in touch with themselves, talk about their feelings, and eventually reach San Francisco (or perhaps Alice Springs) as better and wiser individuals.” 241
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wow that was very thought provoking *dismissive wanking gesture*
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Oct 22, 2016 03:35
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Abalieno posted:I decided this was worthwhile and you'd love it (sarcasm). 
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Oct 22, 2016 06:32
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Black demon seed
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Suggestions for next month's BOTM? The Golden rear end
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Oct 22, 2016 14:49
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:Black demon seed
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ulvir posted:orhan pamuk maybe Didn't we do my name is red already?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Didn't we do my name is red already? Im reading this book now
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Oct 22, 2016 17:09
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Didn't we do my name is red already? No, I suggested it a few months back when I was reading it after The Vegetarian.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Didn't we do my name is red already? Franchescanado posted:No, I suggested it a few months back when I was reading it after The Vegetarian. yeah, it was suggested but not chosen.
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Oct 22, 2016 19:26
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anyone put money on the man booker? i put 20 bucks on do not say we have nothing when it was 3:1, now it's 1.5:1. change only happened in the last few days so could be an indicator.
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the_homemaster posted:anyone put money on the man booker? Hope you make $60
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Yeah I'm a balla
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I just finally got Aquarium, I'm excited
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Oct 25, 2016 03:39
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Someone tell me what the best Don Quixote translation is.
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Oct 25, 2016 09:02
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idk about best but i read the jarvis and it was good
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Edith Grossman's take is the new hotness from the last 15 years. Fuentes praised it a lot, and a mexican freind of mine - a huge fan of Quixote - said he was shocked to see somebody actually managed to bring over a lot of the wordplay, etc. he thought wouldn't be possible to recreate of the spanish original
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Rutherford, Penguin Classics posted:In a village in La Mancha, the name of which I cannot quite recall, there lived not long ago one of those country gentlemen or hidalgos who keep a lance in a rack, an ancient leather shield, a scrawny hack and a greyhound for coursing. A midday stew with rather more shin of beef than leg of lamb, the leftovers for supper most nights, lardy eggs on Saturdays, lentil broth on Fridays and an occasional pigeon as a Sunday treat ate up three-quarters of his income. The rest went on a cape of black broadcloth, with breeches of velvet and slippers to match for holy days, and on weekdays he walked proudly in the finest homespun. He maintained a housekeeper the wrong side of forty, a niece the right side of twenty and a jack of all trades who was as good at saddling the nag as at plying the pruning shears. Our hidalgo himself was nearly fifty; he had a robust constitution, dried-up flesh and a withered face, and he was an early riser and a keen huntsman. His surname’s said to have been Quixada, or Quesada (as if he were a jawbone, or a cheesecake): concerning this detail there’s some discrepancy among the authors who have written on the subject, although a credible conjecture does suggest he might have been a plaintive Quexana. But this doesn’t matter much, as far as our little tale’s concerned, provided that the narrator doesn’t stray one inch from the truth. Grossman posted:Somewhere in La Mancha, in a place whose name I do not care to remember, a gentleman lived not long ago, one of those who has a lance and ancient shield on a shelf and keeps a skinny nag and a greyhound for racing. An occasional stew, beef more often than lamb, hash most nights, eggs and abstinence on Saturdays, lentils on Fridays, sometimes squab as a treat on Sundays—these consumed three-fourths of his income. The rest went for a light woolen tunic and velvet breeches and hose of the same material for feast days, while weekdays were honored with dun-colored coarse cloth. He had a housekeeper past forty, a niece not yet twenty, and a man-of-all-work who did everything from saddling the horse to pruning the trees. Our gentleman was approximately fifty years old; his complexion was weathered, his flesh scrawny, his face gaunt, and he was a very early riser and a great lover of the hunt. Some claim that his family name was Quixada, or Quexada, for there is a certain amount of disagreement among the authors who write of this matter, although reliable conjecture seems to indicate that his name was Quexana. But this does not matter very much to our story; in its telling there is absolutely no deviation from the truth. (both of them look good to me, tbh, although it seems grossman stays closer to the original from what i've quickly checked. on the other hand, "a housekeeper the wrong side of forty, a niece the right side of twenty" is a funny turn of phrase, even though it's not in the original.) Burning Rain fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Oct 25, 2016 |
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Burning Rain posted:Edith Grossman's take is the new hotness from the last 15 years. Fuentes praised it a lot, and a mexican freind of mine - a huge fan of Quixote - said he was shocked to see somebody actually managed to bring over a lot of the wordplay, etc. he thought wouldn't be possible to recreate of the spanish original I've heard people going wild for Grossman, and you're right both of those look pretty good tho Rutherford seems more jokey in those two paragraphs?? Don't suppose you know what the footnote sitch is for Grossman, I love in depth footnotes about how to get Golden Age Spanish jokes.
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Grossman's edition has more footnotes (mostly to explain wordplay that Rutherford smetimes tries to do in the text), but both books unfortunately stick to v. short explanations.
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I've read large parts of both and would recommend the Grossman. There's enough out there on the internet to make up for whatever little in joke that she doesn't put in there if you want to go hog wild. It is funny enough even without knowing all the jokes to keep you entertained.
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