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El Jeffe posted:By the way, what was up with that Indian exodus going through Sweetwater? A Trail of Tears narrative, or maybe related to Ford's thing? Had to load up the party bus for those guests lookin' to get a little Pocahontas poontang.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Ben is actually an escaped polar bear, posing as a human. 
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What is this two timeline theory? Anyone have a link to read up on it?
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mastajake posted:What is this two timeline theory? Anyone have a link to read up on it? A detailed explanation.
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R-Type posted:Fifth Season: BreastWorld. Why is there no homer simpson drool emote?
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mastajake posted:What is this two timeline theory? Anyone have a link to read up on it? Ben is actually an escaped polar bear, posing as a human. Unlikely because Polar Bears do not know how to speak. Also it does not make any sense.
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It's simply just William's scenes are from the past compared to scenes with Teddy or MiB. Some people want to go as far as William is the MiB 30 years ago. The only supporting evidence is the Westworld logo when William is there being the logo used in the young Hopkins scene. As well as Maeve and Teddy never being around in William's scenes. For the most part the scenes are cut where this is possible, but last week with Dolores running away and what we believe is modern day security tracking her, this is debunked, unless the show runners are doing some silly misdirection.
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Lycus posted:I like how the laborers at the work site are the hosts made for Odyssey on Red River in their original costumes. Reminded me a lot of the various "Doral" Cylons on BSG doing landscaping on the conquered Colonial world wearing suits.  Also I think I have definitive proof that there are NOT multiple timelines. The security guy, Ashley is the key:  When Dolores goes on walkabout and hooks up with Logan and William, the guys in the control room tell Ashley "hey, one of the hosts has left her loop, should we get her?" And he says to send in someone to get her and check her out (which is stopped once WIlliam says "she's with me.) Ashley interacts with Bernard's assistant Elsie, going to get the Head Bash guy. She (and I'm pretty sure Ashley), all have scenes with Bernard, Theresa, and I think even Ford. I'm pretty sure Ashley and Elsie are there for the Big New Storyline scene with Ford, Bernard and Theresa. All of them are the same age in every scene. Unless literally everybody but Ford is a Robot, this is all happening at the same time. Sorry to burst your bubble, timeline  ers
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The Dave posted:It's simply just William's scenes are from the past compared to scenes with Teddy or MiB. Some people want to go as far as William is the MiB 30 years ago. Or the Hemsworth character is also a Host.
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VendaGoat posted:Or the Hemsworth character is also a Host. Timeliner spotted.
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Next episode: Ford says to Stubbs "You know, you remind me a lot of your father when he worked here at the park"
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The Dave posted:Timeliner spotted. I am open to the possibility. It's a fun bit to postulate upon, while I wait for the next episode that disproves it. It makes for really loving fun television.
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MiB is the board representative Bernard Lowe is Arnold Weber William timeline is 30 years ago You're welcome for the hot take
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Yeah I honestly don't think it's impossible but it's not anything I'm passionate about.
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The Dave posted:Yeah I honestly don't think it's impossible but it's not anything I'm passionate about.  Hey, you like the show, I like the show. If we don't want it canceled we are the right amount of people watching it. 
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While it's very neat that "Bernard Lowe" is an anagram of "Arnold Weber", I don't remember hearing that Arnold's last name is Weber. He might be Arnold Bewer for all we know.
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El Jeffe posted:By the way, what was up with that Indian exodus going through Sweetwater? A Trail of Tears narrative, or maybe related to Ford's thing? What I was wondering was if Ford intentionally made the tribe's totems look like the clean-up crew so that any hosts (like Maeve) that may have had recurring nightmares of waking up while being repaired will attach a deeper meaning to it and will be distracted from what's really going on. In fact I wonder if his intention was to make the hosts more self-aware and then put in "safe guards" that he thinks will keep them corralled and under control while also giving them more agency.
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Astroman posted:Reminded me a lot of the various "Doral" Cylons on BSG doing landscaping on the conquered Colonial world wearing suits. I don't know why this has to be explained a million times but no. This doesn't disprove it. It actually fuels the timeline theory fire. He asks if she has a guest with her and the answer is "unclear". The reason why (in current day) they are tracking her, is because she's looking for the maze at the suggestion of Bernard. She's also concurrently showed (but it takes 30 years prior) following the same path (a theme with the show) with William. The timelines have been blending into each other for two episodes now. This is why she sees the little girl, but the little girl disappears when something from her current timeline triggers it. (Host looking for her/William intervening.) I know I say with certainty but I am not. I'm speaking from a theoretical perspective.
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Well Dolores herself is a big stickling point. We know that the hosts are used and reused for different storylines. Because of recurring guests, they have to have change up storylines often. The odds that Dolores would have had the exact same storyline and loop for 30 years are low. 5, 10 years maybe. But 30? Same story with the milk can dropping, Teddy, her father, etc? Granted, she's a low level "intro" character in Easytown, but any long term MMO often changes it's new player intro/tutorial every year or 2.
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Astroman posted:Well Dolores herself is a big stickling point. We know that the hosts are used and reused for different storylines. Because of recurring guests, they have to have change up storylines often. The odds that Dolores would have had the exact same storyline and loop for 30 years are low. 5, 10 years maybe. But 30? Same story with the milk can dropping, Teddy, her father, etc? Granted, she's a low level "intro" character in Easytown, but any long term MMO often changes it's new player intro/tutorial every year or 2. There is plenty of doubt, That's the entire fun of this series. You are watching to have your questions answered. It's loving wonderful television. I may have to increase my stake. 
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King Vidiot posted:I mean they call that one guy "Remus" but he's clearly Trevor from GTA, so is Westworld a virtual reality and is it in the same continuity as GTA V? Lawrence is Cesar from GTA: SA Durzel posted:I guess it's possible the show could be asking us to forgive and root for a rapist, but it seems more likely that the episode 1 rape scene was a bait and switch, doesn't it? I had been wondering if this show would pose these kinds of difficult moral quandaries for people who don't play violent sandbox-style video games and the answer would appear to be "yes".
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King Vidiot posted:What I was wondering was if Ford intentionally made the tribe's totems look like the clean-up crew so that any hosts (like Maeve) that may have had recurring nightmares of waking up while being repaired will attach a deeper meaning to it and will be distracted from what's really going on. Wow, that didn't occur to me. He wants to develop sentient AI, but doesn't want to ruin it by igniting a violent robot uprising. Very interesting.
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Oh BTW for the people who love the intro and its foreshadowing. The fact that it's something creating a thing to play the piano that eventually has played the piano long enough that the piano can now play itself, is a narrative. Your great grand parents taught your grand parents enough that they were able to play their children, who became your parents and played you, till you were able to play your children and so on and so loving forth. It's a rolling narrative. It's, loving, wonderful, television.
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Paulocaust posted:I don't know why this has to be explained a million times but no.
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Eiba posted:Speaking of things that have probably been explained a million times, but how does Dolores having a flashback to the Man in Black raping her fit in all this? It was shot like that gave her the courage to overcome her programming and shoot. Which is how her rogue adventures started. There is an ambiguity, predicated on the fact that we were never actually shown it happening. This is put into a dichotomy with the child that the man in black also put into a horrible loving position. Predicated by what he said about, roughly, "we are our most real, when we are in crisis.". He could have just threatened Dolores until her programming failed, like the kid, and gave up the information that he wanted. He may never have raped her at all. VendaGoat fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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Paulocaust posted:I don't know why this has to be explained a million times but no. This doesn't disprove it. It actually fuels the timeline theory fire. He asks if she has a guest with her and the answer is "unclear". The reason why (in current day) they are tracking her, is because she's looking for the maze at the suggestion of Bernard. She's also concurrently showed (but it takes 30 years prior) following the same path (a theme with the show) with William. The timelines have been blending into each other for two episodes now. This is why she sees the little girl, but the little girl disappears when something from her current timeline triggers it. (Host looking for her/William intervening.) It really doesn't. You're only arguing that he's a host because it fits your narrative. Others are saying he's human because it fits theirs. Neither side is strengthened in the end. This would be the same as people saying "The different logos only strengthens the one-timeline theory, because Disney has multiple logos", which would be an equally misguided thing to say. How many timelines would there have to be for this to make sense? The time with the little girl clearly happened before the time William took her there. If William is in a time before the MiB, that's three timelines we're seeing parts of. Clearly Dolores (and Meave, with her drawings) have experienced the same events before, but how long before? Meave's papers aren't that old looking, so she's fairly new to this at least. Definitely not 30 years. The one thing I learned when watching Person of Interest, is that you don't know what Johnathan Nolan is going to do next, you just don't. For the record, I'm on the fence about this. I'm totally willing to accept either outcome being true, but I'm not going to jump to champion one prematurely because of different logos or certain characters missing in a few scenes.
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Just because I am able to communicate this. I'd like to gently caress the blazes out of Armistice, I have no rational explanation as to a motive. VendaGoat fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Oct 26, 2016 |
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VendaGoat posted:Just because I am able to communicate this. She is a very beautiful person that the show designers have worked very hard to rough up.
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tadashi posted:She is a very beautiful person that the show designers have worked very hard to rough up. So you are saying she is a very beautiful person that has experienced hardships over the course of her life/work within West World? I want to gently caress the programming out of her.
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In before goons get mad at a man wanting to have sex with a woman
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VendaGoat posted:So you are saying she is a very beautiful person that has experienced hardships over the course of her life/work within West World? And after a quick loving google search. This is a trope.
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God loving damnit, what is reality? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! 
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VendaGoat posted:There is an ambiguity, predicated on the fact that we were never actually shown it happening. This is put into a dichotomy with the child that the man in black also put into a horrible loving position. Predicated by what he said about, roughly, "we are our most real, when we are in crisis.". How can she remember The Man in Black and then meet up with William?
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at least the arguments here don't claim like in the Mr Robot thread that if an alternate universe portal machine is not the ultimate reveal, then it's bad writing
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Eiba posted:Okay, it doesn't really matter if he rapes her or not. She flashes back to it at a critical moment, and she seems to react to it in the "present" narrative where she shoots the other guy, so it wouldn't make sense as a flash forward. She is effectively immortal and we do not know which timeline, if any, proceeds the other. It may vary well be that the MiB proceeds the William timeline and we are simply loving the order of things up.
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I don't really care about the timeline poo poo I just want to see Teddy become sentient and punch holes in every single guest and employee at Delos.
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i hope teddy becomes the black hat to dolores's white hat and they fight like neo vs smith
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The Saddest Rhino posted:i hope teddy becomes the black hat to dolores's white hat and they fight like neo vs smith KEEP
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