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Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
There are good episodes of CSI: Cyber?

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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Mameluke posted:

There are good episodes of CSI: Cyber?

Touché

Wake_N_Bake
Dec 5, 2003

I love to argue by using all caps. I feel it helps keep people from noticing that I have little or nothing to add to any given conversation. I also

PostNouveau posted:

San Junipero is the best, and I won't be able to hear that song again without thinking of that ending.

Absolutely. What a beautiful story. The music was fantastic throughout the whole thing. By far the best episode of all the seasons.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

Asked my dad about San Junipero and he said it was too gay. Welp.

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


Wake_N_Bake posted:

Absolutely. What a beautiful story. The music was fantastic throughout the whole thing. By far the best episode of all the seasons.

I can't understand what everyone else saw in this episode, or why I missed it. It was alright? A little boring, maybe?

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



I've been in a lousy mood for the last month or so, so I probably shouldn't be watching this. Wyatt Russell's screaming breakdown at the end of Playtest made me cry. The episode was bizarre, but him screaming for his mom just got to me. Heck I got choked up when I watched White Christmas and Rafe Spall's breakdown when he explained what happened to his ex's daughter and his confused rant asking what job they did there.

I am not supposed to cry over fictional characters crying. :smith:

I liked Nosedive well enough. The ending was a little cute if kinda hokey. But I was a little confused as to why they removed her Zed eyes. I wasn't sure if hitting zero means exile from social media or if they were removed because she was put in lockup. I know that when her coworker dropped below 2.5 he couldn't even go into the office building.

E: Welp, San Junipero made me tear up too at the ending. This isn't a show I should be watching when I'm feeling emotional.

LadyPictureShow fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Oct 26, 2016

violetdragon
Jul 27, 2006

RAWR

Mu Zeta posted:

Asked my dad about San Junipero and he said it was too gay. Welp.

Tell your dad he's gay.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Sanford posted:

I can't understand what everyone else saw in this episode, or why I missed it. It was alright? A little boring, maybe?

it's a really good episode but shut up and dance is way more black mirror.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

Mu Zeta posted:

Asked my dad about San Junipero and he said it was too gay. Welp.

I disagree.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



violetdragon posted:

Tell your dad he's gay.

So what?

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Sanford posted:

I can't understand what everyone else saw in this episode, or why I missed it. It was alright? A little boring, maybe?

Eh I mean art is subjective and people bring different contexts to the viewing experience, so it's not really explainable.

It's not like somebody's wrong. You didn't love it, then you didn't love it.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
1. I enjoyed the Widow Schroeder
Mysteries
2. Where can I throw money for a technology moonshot to conquer death?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Oh nice they must be doing some kind of ARG related to a bonus episode:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3870880/New-Zealand-Woman-named-Poison-Ivy-grooms-unstable-men-commit-suicide.html

:smith:

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
I had never looked at the lyrics for Heaven is a Place on Earth until now and it's kind of eerie how well they fit the plot beyond simply the title/chorus.

In this world we're just beginning
To understand the miracle of living
Baby, I was afraid before
But I'm not afraid anymore

That fits Kelly and her decision to pass over almost exactly :stare: I'm surprised Brooker didn't conceive the plot based on the song.

HorseRenoir posted:

I'm still not sure what they were trying to do with that ending, with the investigator faking her own death so she could go track down the villain in Africa.

I thought what they were doing was having her fake her own death to conduct a covert operation so even if the guy thought the cops were closing in on him and sent the bees to kill them she, at least, would be safe since she was believed dead. I don't think there was any statement that the bees got shut down after the massacre; the agent guy said it would take at least two years to destroy all the hives, and that was before they found out the bees kill anyone that attacks a hive.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

1. I enjoyed the Widow Schroeder
Mysteries
2. Where can I throw money for a technology moonshot to conquer death?

Start a Singularity Party, run Elon Musk for president

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Trying to do it San Junipero style has some deep philosophical hurdles.

In my view, "upload" immortality, isn't.

Your consciousness and "self" is a product of experience your brain is manufacturing. Now maybe you can make a 100% perfect digital simulcra, but once the neurons stop firing in your meat-brain, the subjective experience of "you" ends. Maybe it continues for that digital doppelganger, but that's little comfort for the "actual" you that's chilling in oblivion.

On the other hand, what if you do it ship of Theseus style? If you could replace the function of a few neurons here, a few there, and then keep the same hybrid construct running till it was 100% robo-brain, then plug that in? I don't know man.

Heavy stuff.

Chef Boyardeez Nuts
Sep 9, 2011

The more you kick against the pricks, the more you suffer.
Let me test drive heaven for 5 hours and I'll believe whatever you want me to.

socketwrencher
Apr 10, 2012

Be still and know.

MizPiz posted:

After episodes like Man on Fire and Fifteen Million Merits, I can sympathize with that view. If our future is really that bleak and dismal, we might as well just call it quits and let some other species have a go. :smithicide:

What do we do if our present is really that bleak and dismal, but we refuse to call it quits because we're too busy enjoying around-the-clock entertainment?

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

I just had my gf watch White Christmas and while she's now completely sold on this show boyo did it disturb the poo poo out of her.

Miss Nomer
May 7, 2007
Saving the world in a thong

socketwrencher posted:

What do we do if our present is really that bleak and dismal, but we refuse to call it quits because we're too busy enjoying around-the-clock entertainment?
What if Black Mirror but too much?

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Pac-Manioc Root posted:


Your consciousness and "self" is a product of experience your brain is manufacturing. Now maybe you can make a 100% perfect digital simulcra, but once the neurons stop firing in your meat-brain, the subjective experience of "you" ends. Maybe it continues for that digital doppelganger, but that's little comfort for the "actual" you that's chilling in oblivion.


I, too, believe that every Star Trek character dies and a copy is born when they go into the transporter (unironically).

It's funny, because although I agree with you, it was still a really sweet episode. Like yes, original Yorkie basically got in a car accident and was quadriplegic for years, got some very nice Matrix computer experiences, and then just died with dignity, but then a new Yorkie with all of old Yorkie's memories got to experience the things that she never had.

socketwrencher
Apr 10, 2012

Be still and know.

Miss Nomer posted:

What if Black Mirror but too much?

If we keep watching these episodes awareness will reach critical mass and lead to people taking to the streets and demanding that Brooker crank out new episodes faster.

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

socketwrencher posted:

If we keep watching these episodes awareness will reach critical mass and lead to people taking to the streets and demanding that Brooker crank out new episodes faster.

Like we aren't all already outside his house right now singing "Anyone Who Knows What Love Is" and playing the Nosedive sounds on our phones demanding that he write us our own teleplays to read for a rainy day.

socketwrencher
Apr 10, 2012

Be still and know.

Bicyclops posted:

Like we aren't all already outside his house right now singing "Anyone Who Knows What Love Is" and playing the Nosedive sounds on our phones demanding that he write us our own teleplays to read for a rainy day.

Yeah I'm over by the hedges, wearing my London Calling t-shirt.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Trying to do it San Junipero style has some deep philosophical hurdles.

In my view, "upload" immortality, isn't.

Your consciousness and "self" is a product of experience your brain is manufacturing. Now maybe you can make a 100% perfect digital simulcra, but once the neurons stop firing in your meat-brain, the subjective experience of "you" ends. Maybe it continues for that digital doppelganger, but that's little comfort for the "actual" you that's chilling in oblivion.

I definitely agree. The technology the episode was portraying was a lot more likely to create what you see in the Christmas episode with a digital copy that's just kind of a novelty more than anything. You'd want to be a brain in a jar hooked up to the San Junipero Matrix.

But the episode doesn't seem interested in tackling that problem, so I take it on face value. That problem you're describing, they fixed it. The nuts and bolts of the technology is way beside the point.

Sanford posted:

I can't understand what everyone else saw in this episode, or why I missed it. It was alright? A little boring, maybe?

I'll take a stab at explaining it now that I'm not phone posting.

I prefer the Black Mirror episodes that are more about how technology affects individual characters rather than society.

It's set up as a romance plot you've seen a dozen times where a happy-go-lucky girl fixes a sad brokebrains. But Yorkie's transformation to a more well-adjusted person isn't the usual "coming out of her shell" crap that happens in those stories and rings false for most people. The twist in the middle is great not because "whoa they were in the matrix the whole time," it's that Yorkie's so anxious and unsure of herself because she hasn't really lived in 40 years and she's relearning how to through this new relationship. Then you get the second big reveal that Kelly isn't what she seems either. She's not turning down San Junipero because, as she wants people to think, she's like some brilliant firework or something that's just going to live spectacularly for a brief time and then disappear. She's in deep mourning for her dead family and afraid of having eternal survivor's guilt. Then Kelly recreates the circumstances of Yorkie getting paralyzed (blowout fight with loved ones followed by a horrific car crash), and by living that same trauma comes to understand why Yorkie values the freedom of that existence so much.

I think in the typical romance story a lot of the conflict is contrived, and it's often really stupid poo poo impeding the characters. But in this case the technology is enabling people who have profoundly serious issues to mask those issues and connect anyway. So despite the insane sci-fi trappings, the changes the characters go through feel a lot more genuine than you usually get in a romance.

DoggPickle
Jan 16, 2004

LAFFO
I didn't realize that a new season was on and oh poo poo, I missed all 6?. (that's what happens when you take an SA break). I purposefully didn't read the thread, which sounds like laziness, but I just watched episode 1, and although I don't necessarily "vibe" with the ending, I literally (and I know what that word means, :black101:) kinda shed a tear a little way through. I'm nearing 40. I still get carded for smokes.

But i'm starting to get a really bad sense of this uber/sexting/facebook/pinteresest/fitbit/snapchat/reddit/instagram/etsy kind of rating and I absolutely GET IT. SO it ends up pretty obvious and LOOK AT ME "Social Media to the X-TREME" is bad, but that is actually really happening. It's subtle or maybe it's big for some people, I guess, I live alone and social media is a big unfortunate part of my life... but this one really hit home for me.

S03E01 is my favorite since 15 Million Merits. (I haven't watched the other new ones yet)

I've had some friends over that I basically MADE watch 15m. and I'm just disappointed every time that they're not balling their eyes out; It's not just the obviously glaring -screwed up society where the poor create the energy for the masses, but the little things, (the micro-transactions, non-skipable porn and the overwhelming sense of inescapably) and I dunno, I actually get irritated when they don't love it.

I'm looking forward to the next 5, though I consider the previous episodes about 50/50 awesome and crap.

I'll watch them tomorrow and then be up to speed.

Talorat
Sep 18, 2007

Hahaha! Aw come on, I can't tell you everything right away! That would make for a boring story, don't you think?
If all you all are looking for something to fill that yawning cavern in your life now that you are done with Black Mirror, consider playing the game Soma. It tackles a lot of the same themes as certain episodes in the series specifically San Juniparo and White Christmas .

LadyPictureShow
Nov 18, 2005

Success!



DoggPickle posted:

I didn't realize that a new season was on and oh poo poo, I missed all 6?. (that's what happens when you take an SA break). I purposefully didn't read the thread, which sounds like laziness, but I just watched episode 1, and although I don't necessarily "vibe" with the ending, I literally (and I know what that word means, :black101:) kinda shed a tear a little way through. I'm nearing 40. I still get carded for smokes.

But i'm starting to get a really bad sense of this uber/sexting/facebook/pinteresest/fitbit/snapchat/reddit/instagram/etsy kind of rating and I absolutely GET IT. SO it ends up pretty obvious and LOOK AT ME "Social Media to the X-TREME" is bad, but that is actually really happening. It's subtle or maybe it's big for some people, I guess, I live alone and social media is a big unfortunate part of my life... but this one really hit home for me.

S03E01 is my favorite since 15 Million Merits. (I haven't watched the other new ones yet)

I've had some friends over that I basically MADE watch 15m. and I'm just disappointed every time that they're not balling their eyes out; It's not just the obviously glaring -screwed up society where the poor create the energy for the masses, but the little things, (the micro-transactions, non-skipable porn and the overwhelming sense of inescapably) and I dunno, I actually get irritated when they don't love it.

I'm looking forward to the next 5, though I consider the previous episodes about 50/50 awesome and crap.

I'll watch them tomorrow and then be up to speed.

I'd recommend going out of order and not watching Hated in the Nation last. I thought it was boring as all get-out, and I'd rank it below even the Waldo episode. I know others have ranked the episodes, I'd say 342156 (and 6 is in dead last by a huge margin).

Fairly passive
Nov 4, 2012

Not as productive as I should be
I'm hoping Brooker's fame continues to grow so that my first edition copiesof the TVgohome book and Unnovations can fetch decent values on eBay.

Boing
Jul 12, 2005

trapped in custom title factory, send help

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Trying to do it San Junipero style has some deep philosophical hurdles.

In my view, "upload" immortality, isn't.

Your consciousness and "self" is a product of experience your brain is manufacturing. Now maybe you can make a 100% perfect digital simulcra, but once the neurons stop firing in your meat-brain, the subjective experience of "you" ends. Maybe it continues for that digital doppelganger, but that's little comfort for the "actual" you that's chilling in oblivion.

On the other hand, what if you do it ship of Theseus style? If you could replace the function of a few neurons here, a few there, and then keep the same hybrid construct running till it was 100% robo-brain, then plug that in? I don't know man.

Heavy stuff.

If you're interested in other fiction that explores this concept, Altered Carbon is an edgy scifi thing that's worth a good read.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Boing posted:

If you're interested in other fiction that explores this concept, Altered Carbon is an edgy scifi thing that's worth a good read.

Coming to Netflix next year, as well.

Elman
Oct 26, 2009

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Trying to do it San Junipero style has some deep philosophical hurdles.

In my view, "upload" immortality, isn't.

Your consciousness and "self" is a product of experience your brain is manufacturing. Now maybe you can make a 100% perfect digital simulcra, but once the neurons stop firing in your meat-brain, the subjective experience of "you" ends. Maybe it continues for that digital doppelganger, but that's little comfort for the "actual" you that's chilling in oblivion.

On the other hand, what if you do it ship of Theseus style? If you could replace the function of a few neurons here, a few there, and then keep the same hybrid construct running till it was 100% robo-brain, then plug that in? I don't know man.

Heavy stuff.

I mean, if you could do that you've achieved immortaility, heaven be damned. There's no reason these dead people couldn't have robot bodies or at least be able to interact with the real world through the internet, watch the news, publish their biography, vote for Hillary, etc.

Or you could take it the other way and go full Black Mirror. This is how humanity dies: they all pass over to a world of their own creation, why bother with reality?

Elman fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Oct 27, 2016

Blind Rasputin
Nov 25, 2002

Farewell, good Hunter. May you find your worth in the waking world.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Coming to Netflix next year, as well.

Wait, what?? Those books were bad rear end they are making a series out of it? Oh god can't wait for watching someone be "put on stack" for their prison sentence and released in some random body 30 years later.

sout
Apr 24, 2014

Blind Rasputin posted:

I just had my gf watch White Christmas and while she's now completely sold on this show boyo did it disturb the poo poo out of her.

All I remember of that special was the guy who was left in his weird time dungeon over christmas and that idea still kinda fucks me up.
e: 1000 years per minute for however loving long, jeez.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Trying to do it San Junipero style has some deep philosophical hurdles.

In my view, "upload" immortality, isn't.

Your consciousness and "self" is a product of experience your brain is manufacturing. Now maybe you can make a 100% perfect digital simulcra, but once the neurons stop firing in your meat-brain, the subjective experience of "you" ends. Maybe it continues for that digital doppelganger, but that's little comfort for the "actual" you that's chilling in oblivion.

On the other hand, what if you do it ship of Theseus style? If you could replace the function of a few neurons here, a few there, and then keep the same hybrid construct running till it was 100% robo-brain, then plug that in? I don't know man.

Heavy stuff.

Pretty much. I wasn't a fan of SOMA but it had the right idea regarding this stuff - "uploading" your brain is just a glorified ctrl+c ctrl+v of your unique electro-chemical imprint into a simulated environment. The original "you" is still going to be dead as poo poo.

lifts cats over head
Jan 17, 2003

Antagonist: A bad man who drops things from the windows.
I watched Playtest last night, overall I thought it was a decent episode of television but an average episode of Black Mirror. For me I couldn't shake the idea that Cooper was just a younger version of the Dude. They even talk the same.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

lifts cats over head posted:

I watched Playtest last night, overall I thought it was a decent episode of television but an average episode of Black Mirror. For me I couldn't shake the idea that Cooper was just a younger version of the Dude. They even talk the same.

The actor played a super stoned baseball player on a Richard Linklater movie. If there was ever a Big Lebowski remake he would be the star.

Boing
Jul 12, 2005

trapped in custom title factory, send help

Oxxidation posted:

Pretty much. I wasn't a fan of SOMA but it had the right idea regarding this stuff - "uploading" your brain is just a glorified ctrl+c ctrl+v of your unique electro-chemical imprint into a simulated environment. The original "you" is still going to be dead as poo poo.

It's not quite as simple as this, because the way your brain actually gives rise to your unique sense of self is weird as poo poo and not well-understood at all. You can cut someone's brain in half and watch them behave as if they have two distinct and independent sets of beliefs and cognitions (not that you notice any of this). You can be conscious of things but not aware of being conscious of them. Your sense of self and consciousness and "original you" is totally loving made up in a way that's really hard to come to grips with.

Croatoan
Jun 24, 2005

I am inevitable.
ROBBLE GROBBLE
Can we all admit what really bothered us about Hated in the Nation and it's that apparently some people still listen to Enya?

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Griefor
Jun 11, 2009

Croatoan posted:

Can we all admit what really bothered us about Hated in the Nation and it's that apparently some people still listen to Enya?

Well, it is supposed to be a dystopian future.

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