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Hellsau posted:If a vote comes up involving orphans and Badwomen, I want this to be locked in as RandomPaul's vote. We have the Gebbin orphans. And Hagar appears to be a bad woman.
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Stoning old ladies is bad. Enkidel is terrible now, we should be ashamed of ourselves!
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I believe I've been consistently against killing Hagar, but at this point not listening to Tudiya would make a complicated situation worse. B is the best of a bad choice.
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A. Stone the witch.
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H, solely because I want to hear Tudiya's reasons for why he doesn't buy the story. Though I guess he might not give us any reason and just say he knows better. I find it interesting that he doesn't seem to have actually read any minds, and wasn't able to fact-check Hagar since she refuses to speak (nor did he compel her to). He speaks with such conviction, but he's really 'just' saying that he's reasoned out that there are no tablets and that Hagar's a big glory hound, not that he's definitely unveiled the truth.
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Theglavwen posted:H, solely because I want to hear Tudiya's reasons for why he doesn't buy the story. Though I guess he might not give us any reason and just say he knows better. This is my take: Goons think the most innocuous things are signs from Diog and vote accordingly, but cannot read between the lines when something appears to be presented as fact. This sums up my pain.
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We should ask Tudiya if we should provide cheerleaders and snacks for the people while they watch a frail old woman be slowly beaten to death with rocks. No worries, I'm sure El will forgive his bloodlust if he pretends to care and prays for long enough. Maybe we can hand out little "mercy is never misplaced" flags for the event.
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Tsyni posted:This is my take: Goons think the most innocuous things are signs from Diog and vote accordingly, but cannot read between the lines when something appears to be presented as fact. You need to swallow your pain and sorrow. It may leave a bitter taste in your mouth, but you know what can waste that taste out? eating everyone
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Mexican Deathgasm posted:We should ask Tudiya if we should provide cheerleaders and snacks for the people while they watch a frail old woman be slowly beaten to death with rocks. No worries, I'm sure El will forgive his bloodlust if he pretends to care and prays for long enough. Maybe we can hand out little "mercy is never misplaced" flags for the event. No, the people are out for her blood. I bet if we charged for rocks, we'd make a killing!
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TacoNight posted:No, the people are out for her blood. I bet if we charged for rocks, we'd make a killing! Are women allowed to participate? If not, fake beards will be in demand! I vote we turn this horrific murder into a Monty Python movie.
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Write in add on: apologize to pops for being a bad-judging dumbass
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Mexican Deathgasm posted:We should ask Tudiya if we should provide cheerleaders and snacks for the people while they watch a frail old woman be slowly beaten to death with rocks. No worries, I'm sure El will forgive his bloodlust if he pretends to care and prays for long enough. Maybe we can hand out little "mercy is never misplaced" flags for the event. No one believes that El is opposed to violence. Violence is fine, indeed, it is often prescribed conduct!
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Diogines posted:No one believes that El is opposed to violence. El is the chump I always believed he was. At least Asherah eats what she kills.
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I would just like to offer my condolences to the wrong voters. I know you're angry and wanting to lash out, but once you calm down, you'll be able to come to terms with the fact that sometimes the NPC actually IS a bad person, and not just a misguided innocent unfairly persecuted by a lack of 21st century morality.
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dyzzy posted:It's weird how 21st century morals has been this thread's bogeyman. I bet your family would be real proud of you.
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dyzzy posted:It's weird how 21st century morals has been this thread's bogeyman. It's almost like they're a load of impractical garbage when divorced from the social structures and technology that make them possible to adhere to.
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Diogines posted:No one believes that El is opposed to violence. Not just violence, cruel torture porn for the masses. Mercy is never misplaced (unless the people want to stone and old woman to death for fun)
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Not trying to open the can of worms (too late I guess) but it's just one of the quirks of this thread that make it special to me
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dyzzy posted:It's weird how 21st century morals Besides stoning, what are some other morals that you believe aren't necessarily superior, but are just products of 21st century culture? Also do you support modern medicine or do you think we should sometimes give phrenology a go
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A. Sorry Hagar - you knew this was a likely outcome and you did it anyway. Ain't nobody worships Enkidel but Naomi.
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B God drat it, A-voters: B gets the job done!
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Holy poo poo Kadovel to Zepath, Ishamal chat, and back again in SIX HOURS? Dad's loving fast, you guys. The command the throw the first stone is...pretty open ended. Tudiya knows our strength. If we cast the first stone with our full abilities, it's going to go clear through her and whatever is the backdrop, save a sturdy hillside. That's instant death unless we target an extremity, in which case shock is a given. Could be he wants her to die without too much suffering, who knows? I want to be on Dad's good side, and the whole process gets defeated by a deathblow, but I'm not up to having Hagar get pelted to death by a bunch of amateurs. A with a B bias: She violated an oath given to the King in order to avoid execution. She broke it big time. Law being what it is, the original sentence is to be carried out, if not amplified. We gave her an assload of opportunities to fix the situation, and nothing came of them. Sentence passed and delivered. Limited strength blow the throat, collapse her windpipe without breaking her neck. She may suffer a bunch of following blows to the casual observer, but ours will put a huge time limit on her time on the rock-chucking-line as it were without being immediately lethal. I'd post a question for Dad about it, but this smacks heavily of the sort of thing we need to learn and grow from. I'm pretty sure Dad's giving us a lesson about ruling here in giving us this kind of leeway.
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Mexican Deathgasm posted:We should ask Tudiya if we should provide cheerleaders and snacks for the people while they watch a frail old woman be slowly beaten to death with rocks. No worries, I'm sure El will forgive his bloodlust if he pretends to care and prays for long enough. Maybe we can hand out little "mercy is never misplaced" flags for the event. In addition to cheerleaders, we should use our new mighty voice to be the announcer. "ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?"
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Mexican Deathgasm posted:Also do you support modern medicine or do you think we should sometimes give phrenology a go Modern medicine is great, but I'd definitely prefer one of those magic potions from the temple if one was available.
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I don't think people are really grasping the extent of what Hagar has done, which is why so many are still clinging to the narrative that we're joyously murdering some innocent old lady who never did anything wrong. She didn't just con a bunch of people into paying her for the chance to wear boxes on their heads. Hundreds of people literally risked their lives and the lives of their loved ones and (as far as they're concerned) their immortal souls for what she was preaching. Some of them DID die, getting stoned to death in other cities when they were found out. And now it turns out she was lying about all of it. I can't deny that she did have SOME good ideas - gender equality, no slavery, stuff like that. But the fact is, that on the whole, she was peddling bullshit, and a lot of people were putting themselves at a very real risk by going along with it.
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the_steve posted:I don't think people are really grasping the extent of what Hagar has done, which is why so many are still clinging to the narrative that we're joyously murdering some innocent old lady who never did anything wrong. Literally? Pure speculation, my friend. I think some people...*looks around shiftily*...might be assuming their way of interpreting the thread is definitely the way it is. A classic wrong-poster mistake.
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B. We can take her out relatively painlessly. Let's make the execution as reflective an event as possible instead of catharsis-through-torture. edit: I mean, it would be nice if Enkidel said some words about how unfortunate and tragic this whole affair was, spin it as an opportunity to reflect on humanity, trust, and El. Ceramic Shot fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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What about B, except we throw the rock through the back of Tudiya's head, claim that Hagar is the new queen of Kavodel, and kill anyone who objects?
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B Mercy is never misplaced is among the most misued messages from all voters. It's dumb. Mercy is often misplaced, we kill a shitton of things, and you can't always be merciful. That said, I trust Tudiya here, but stoning is gross. Definitely want to unravel this poo poo and learn why Tudiya is so certain.
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A Also pray to El to be shown the location of the tablets. Or you know just go sense their obvious presence and find them. We know they really do exist.
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Pladdicus posted:Definitely want to unravel this poo poo and learn why Tudiya is so certain. Oh man, just LOL at the notion that we might do something as nuanced as find the truth of anything by any means other than blind stupid luck. You're forgetting that everything from the world design, the divine powers, our allies and the voting pattern of us the readers will do anything at any cost to prevent us from increasing our knowledge of the world.
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the_steve posted:I don't think people are really grasping the extent of what Hagar has done, which is why so many are still clinging to the narrative that we're joyously murdering some innocent old lady who never did anything wrong. Nothing says we can't keep encouraging those good ideas while governing Kavodel. Bending towards gender equality and discouraging slavery are all good things that don't have to be tied to that time that we blacked out because we broke a statue that looked like us. Enkidel has nearly absolute social and legal authority in Kavodel. We just have been having to slog through difficult dilemmas on the way to further doing better things over all. Accept the ruling because Haggar was doing something fucky making that statue that way. And she went against her vow, her kindness swayed us to look the other way but we also got some unwarranted fuzzies and nice feelings when we started considering that statue. Probably a parallel of the charm that we got way back when that we got from indor. Nothing direct or subverting free will, but just a nudge that helps. Ironically, an unwarranted fuzzy feeling towards the affair actually DID sway voters to write it off as nothing. (same as fred the retconned demon donkey) Anytime we actually had Diog narrate something beyond "this is you wife and familiy you feel great about them" or "Your balls are precious to you" its been some sort of mind-influencing thing. We've even caught own to this once when we sussed out the dream before our choice to be sterile was from an outside messenger. Because of inconsistencies on whom those injected feelings applied to. None of the friendly players will do these things to us, because the consequences if we go full nuclear are too real. Hagar was playing the long game, cultivating a source of feel-good worship that appealed to our nature and subverting the next king of Zepath. Because that's what we are right now. She knew enough of our nature and the moral values we held dear to really cultivate something that we wanted to grow. We started a slave and were ascended to royalty while having a softness for the other side of the coin and she used that to the hilt. If anything, the fact that her cult has feet means that we have some real social ills to ameliorate and address. We're doing good with the no hard labor slavery and such but I think we should go further and possibly institute a Kavodel Jubilee much more often than the tradition. Grognan fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Nov 1, 2016 |
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It's time. G!
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Diogines posted:A person who has fallen victim to sorcery is not responsible for their actions. But what if they are forced to eat human flesh? Or be gay? Or like hurt an orange tree?
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will blow your mind.