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So, for fun today as part of my October Challenge of watching as many new-to-me horror as I can in the month, today I watched all live action J-Horror that were related to video games. Including Forbidden Siren, which is technically an tie-in to part 2, but close enough. As it says in the intro post of this very thread, the movie has almost nothing to do with the game. It's pretty badly written junk about a girl whose father and kid brother and herself move to a jungle island where often refugees have lived. The scenery is cool, looking more like say, Haiti, than Japan. There is a siren that sounds, and there are creatures you could argue are Shibito, but that's about as much as the movie has in common with the game. Unless you're morbidly curious like I was/am, avoid it.
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Holy poo poo, man! I had straightup given up on you ever finishing this run. I'm really glad to be wrong about that. Good to see you back!
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Oct 22, 2016 22:19
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Choco1980 posted:So, for fun today as part of my October Challenge of watching as many new-to-me horror as I can in the month, today I watched all live action J-Horror that were related to video games. Including Forbidden Siren, which is technically an tie-in to part 2, but close enough. As it says in the intro post of this very thread, the movie has almost nothing to do with the game. It's pretty badly written junk about a girl whose father and kid brother and herself move to a jungle island where often refugees have lived. The scenery is cool, looking more like say, Haiti, than Japan. There is a siren that sounds, and there are creatures you could argue are Shibito, but that's about as much as the movie has in common with the game. Unless you're morbidly curious like I was/am, avoid it. That sounds awful! Sounds like they wasted a perfectly good premise. Executive meddling, perhaps? On a side note: Egomaniac, I read on a Wiki recently that "dog shibito" is apparently a mistranslation and that they're actually called "beetle shibito?" It kind of makes sense considering the general insectoid theme of the other mutated shibito, but I don't know if it's necessarily accurate. What do you think?
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Oct 23, 2016 17:00
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Simian_Prime posted:On a side note: Egomaniac, I read on a Wiki recently that "dog shibito" is apparently a mistranslation and that they're actually called "beetle shibito?" It kind of makes sense considering the general insectoid theme of the other mutated shibito, but I don't know if it's necessarily accurate. What do you think? In Japanese they're called inu-shibito, which translates as dog shibito. 
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Oct 24, 2016 08:57
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By the way, I haven't forgotten about the LP. I should have the final update this weekend at the latest.
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Oct 26, 2016 04:30
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Egomaniac posted:By the way, I haven't forgotten about the LP. I should have the final update this weekend at the latest. Cool! Super excited.
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Oct 26, 2016 18:10
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Awwww, it's ending already.  But at least we can now talk about it after. There's a lot if interesting stuff to talk about.
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Oct 26, 2016 21:01
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FYI, Ego, I just updated my playlist of the chronological viewing of Siren on YouTube, in case you want to link it in the OP http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQ_C6um3zWUzcKJf-qwGrmeS5sqbrZhdp Let me know if you want me to switch anything around, like the bonus videos or whatever.
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Oct 29, 2016 03:37
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         Archive 001 - Irazu Valley mural   Archive 098 - Misumi Daily Gazette  Archive 100 - Misumi Daily Gazette  
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Oct 31, 2016 05:17
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That was.....strange. Yet fascinating. An appropriate set of videos to open Halloween with. Harumi being rescued again. 
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Oct 31, 2016 05:42
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Yoriko is my bae.
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Oct 31, 2016 06:39
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Goddamn that ending song- it's like a loving funeral dirge. Does anyone have the lyrics or could make a translation? Not quite sure what the point was of that last Yoriko cutscene besides emphasizing that she's not a Shibito. Did she have levels of her own that got cut or something? I'd commit murder for a rundown on cut content for this game. Also, that's Halley's comet the archive is talking about, and it did pass Earth in 684.
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Oct 31, 2016 07:01
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Kavak posted:Goddamn that ending song- it's like a loving funeral dirge. Does anyone have the lyrics or could make a translation? Well, she just rescued the good old professah and with luck shared a but of her now Shibitoing-immune blood.
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Oct 31, 2016 09:50
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I'd like to point out that the datatsushi scene matches up with the flying fish story archive. That is to say a holy creature falling out of the sky during a drought and the starved people eating it, resulting in divine punishment. I still say kyoya is trapped in time and is the youth mentioned in the supplemental website about the Hanuda Incident.
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Oct 31, 2016 10:47
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Yoriko quickly shoots up to being The Best.
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Oct 31, 2016 11:08
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drat, what an ending! It's a shame this game didn't catch on in the states due to its difficulty; it might have had a better reception if it were released now, in the era of Dark Souls where gamers are craving more challenge. Strikes me that if I were to make another entry in the franchise today, I'd add more modularity to the storyline, have it be affected by player choice. You could multiple storylines in the game, and which one you see depends on the choices you make in the game. (You might have a storyline where Kyoya became a shibito, or Akira made it out alive, for example). Accompanied by a social media campaign where you tweet a photo and edits it to make you look like a shibito, all blue skin and bleeding eyes. #getshibbed -------------- Aww... Datatsushi used to be all cute and beluga-y. Time (and being partially eaten) has been rough on him Is the pregnant woman who eating Datatsushi meant to be Hisako? --------------------------------------------- I realize now that Datatsushi's final form is reminiscent of the Zuiyo-maru Carcass. These guys went deep into their Japanese urban legend research.
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Oct 31, 2016 14:55
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Simian_Prime posted:Is the pregnant woman who eating Datatsushi meant to be Hisako? Yes
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Oct 31, 2016 14:58
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Iceclaw posted:Well, she just rescued the good old professah and with luck shared a but of her now Shibitoing-immune blood. I mean the one where she falls through the floor.
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Nov 1, 2016 00:38
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Kavak posted:I mean the one where she falls through the floor. It shows exactly what was happening when the Professah got a glimpse of her in that cutscene.
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Nov 1, 2016 00:51
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Kavak posted:Goddamn that ending song- it's like a loving funeral dirge. Does anyone have the lyrics or could make a translation? Hoshingoeika
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Nov 1, 2016 02:01
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Thank you! Anyone familiar with Moto Hagio?
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Nov 1, 2016 02:24
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Kavak posted:Thank you! ...The mangaka? She did A-A1 (which I own) and a whole mess of others that I've never read. What's her relation to Siren?
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Nov 1, 2016 02:29
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StrixNebulosa posted:...The mangaka? She did A-A1 (which I own) and a whole mess of others that I've never read. What's her relation to Siren? One of the lyrics in Hoshingoeika is apparently a reference to her Silver Triangle.
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Nov 1, 2016 02:44
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Ms. Takato is a hell of a teacher. Sad to see the LP end but I'm glad for the ride. Fantastic work, Egomaniac!
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Nov 1, 2016 06:45
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I just picked this up during the PS Halloween sale and I've heard it's pretty hard so are there any general newbie tips? Sorry if this has been asked already, I was afraid to check the thread in case of spoilers. Is printing out maps and using them to mark enemy/object of interest locations a viable strategy?
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Nov 1, 2016 17:44
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AMReese posted:FYI, Ego, I just updated my playlist of the chronological viewing of Siren on YouTube, in case you want to link it in the OP Thanks! I added it in. Simian_Prime posted:I realize now that Datatsushi's final form is reminiscent of the Zuiyo-maru Carcass. These guys went deep into their Japanese urban legend research. That's cool, I never knew about that one and there's definitely a resemblance. I'll add the link to the OP Getsuya posted:I just picked this up during the PS Halloween sale and I've heard it's pretty hard so are there any general newbie tips? Sorry if this has been asked already, I was afraid to check the thread in case of spoilers. Treat it like a puzzle game more than an action game. You're usually supposed to use a distraction or gimmick to get past obstacles. You can also get reasonably close to enemies without being noticed if you just walk instead of creeping. Helps give yourself some more leeway. Enemies aren't randomized for the most part so yeah, noting stuff on the maps should be helpful.
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Nov 2, 2016 04:23
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Egomaniac posted:Treat it like a puzzle game more than an action game. You're usually supposed to use a distraction or gimmick to get past obstacles. You can also get reasonably close to enemies without being noticed if you just walk instead of creeping. Helps give yourself some more leeway. Case in point: I once managed to just walk straight through Shiro's second level to the exit after I realized how hard it is to aggro the Shibito without running or being seen.
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Nov 2, 2016 05:32
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Egomaniac, can you explain what is happening at the end of "The Reborn"?
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Nov 2, 2016 08:06
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Shiro killed Kei, and took his stuff, because Shiro has a massive inferiority complex regarding how his brother was picked to being the new priest as a kid, and wanted to be him, for just a little bit. That's Kei waking up after being shot in the face by his brother and shibitoing I would assume.
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Nov 2, 2016 11:50
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Yeah, specifically he's one of those unformed wretches like Shiro saw when he drained the water. Kind of like something out of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.
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Nov 3, 2016 03:22
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So now that the LP is over, I guess we talk more about the story and the meta of the game. First thing on the agenda: why a primary and secondary objective? All the characters were transported into another dimension and are caught in a time loop. The primary objective is what they do the first time around, which they keep repeating to maintain the time loop. The secondary objective is what they do they break the cycle with the help of the Uryen and the four spirits of the village released from the lamps, which is why some of it is non-sensical. A higher power is guiding them to do it. From a meta/gameplay perspective, it's pretty brilliant as you're doomed to repeat the actions of the characters in the primary objective until you get it right (the secondary objective).
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Nov 3, 2016 03:58
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VoodooXT posted:So now that the LP is over, I guess we talk more about the story and the meta of the game. First thing on the agenda: why a primary and secondary objective? I actually have a comment regardong that but in relation to the second game Would it be ok for me to make it? (Keeping any siren 2 spoilers hidden of course)
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Nov 3, 2016 06:56
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Egomaniac posted:Yeah, specifically he's one of those unformed wretches like Shiro saw when he drained the water. Kind of like something out of I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. I thought it was because Shiro burned him on a pyre? VoodooXT posted:So now that the LP is over, I guess we talk more about the story and the meta of the game. First thing on the agenda: why a primary and secondary objective? They really run with that in Blood Curse, one of the few good things about it.
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Nov 3, 2016 07:13
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So is the thread done? Are you going to redo Siren 2? Am I being too pushy? (I'm assuming yes) I loved this plot, but I feel like there were still a few things they didn't wrap up properly. However, with this game, there's enough that's left to the player to figure out I might have missed it. I'm guessing because the LP is done I don't need to worry about spoiling things now. But nonetheless, reader beware. The way I understand things, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that the legend of the fish that fell out of the sky is a direct apocryphal telling of Datatsushi's tragedy in the 7th century. The siren is his cries of agony and anger. Whether he's a god or an alien is kinda irrelevant at this point. Hisako for whatever reason, is his immortal servant, perhaps as punishment for her partaking in the eating of him. There's no explanation I can recall as to what happened with her unborn baby or the other eaters. They once a generation offer this invisible "god" (whom I believe has been tethered to the Mana Stone) a bride to keep him placated while he way too slowly heals his wounds.The villagers have mixed these rituals with Shinto to create their unique religion. Last time, in the 70s, the ritual was interrupted by the bride to be running away, and in his anger, Datatsushi caused a massive earthquake in the village. Most of the villagers did not survive, but Tamon and Akira were among the survivors. Tamon then devoted his life to the occult, and now is revisiting the town where he lost his parents because he knows it's time for the next sacrifice. (Kyoya's just a kid investigating the spooky town he heard about--in fact, that's him posting as "SDK" on the Occultland page linked in the Extras) This time, Miyako breaks the Mana Stone, which forces Hisako to step up her game, and act now, as the Big D's loose, and his wailing siren turns the villagers into his worker and soldier ants to answer to his hivemind call, and aid him in returning to full imago form. (I don't really understand why the nest needed to be so elaborate, but oh well). The tandem rages create a sort of time loop between the two failed ceremonies, melding them in strange ways. This is interesting, because whatever the force of Good is trying to fight Datty is also using time loops to move things along. We aren't ever told what that force is? It could be a rival god/creature, it could be the magic within the controlled characters, it even might be suggesting it's US, the players that are behind the actions. It's a sort of teasing out the best outcome, going again and again until the characters do everything they need to to get to where they need to. In the extra materials is the english link to the shibito website, and the "Hanuda Incident" they talk about, with a young man suddenly appearing right before the earthquake in 76, carrying guns and a "Japanese Sword" and slaying the village, paired with the kickin rad ending seen in video 85, lead me to believe that Kyoya, after killing Datsushi, gets pulled back by the time loop to the first incident, where he kills all the shibitoed villagers of 1976 before they can aid their master. I don't know if he survived the encounter, nor do I know if he was at all responsible for the earthquake (possibly from his heavy use of the Uryen?) I'm not sure what Shiro (assuming his brother Kei's identity) was aiming to accomplish with his companion Uryen. Seal the hellmouth perhaps? My other uncertainty is the umbrella one of all the nods to other Japanese legends, like the Tsuchinoko and the skyfish, or most confusing, the one bit with Hisako apparently having a vision of the maiden from the Boat of Utsubo (and who's mystery box looked an awful lot like a microwave to me). Did all this stuff have relevance to the main plot, or were they just supposed to be easter eggs to find and get creeped out by?
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Hisako's baby was the first Kajiro. Not sure where that's established or if it's just implied, but it's true. The Shinto syncretism was also to hide their true faith after the Tokugawa Shogunate nearly destroyed them centuries back. I'm not sure if Miyako broke the ritual somehow, if Kyoya interrupting things messed it up (Maybe she fled when everyone was focused on him), or Datatsushi was ready to ascend- Hisako said as much when she fried Ayako to end the bloodline. The 333-year comet might've been his ride, like how Halley's Comet brought him to Earth. The timeloop/driving force is...one of those things that's probably best left up to interpretation. It's happening, and is why the very first level has just one objective, but the how/why is basically "It's a video game, just roll with it". I still don't grok the link between Kyoya destroying the Shibito and the Tsuyama Massacre references. There's lots of allusions to Japanese myths like Yaobikuni and the Tsuchinoko, but that was a real incident. Was it hushed up and kind of became a legend because of that? Is it just the "trapped outside time" deal the village has going on?
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Choco1980 posted:My other uncertainty is the umbrella one of all the nods to other Japanese legends, like the Tsuchinoko and the skyfish, or most confusing, the one bit with Hisako apparently having a vision of the maiden from the Boat of Utsubo (and who's mystery box looked an awful lot like a microwave to me). Did all this stuff have relevance to the main plot, or were they just supposed to be easter eggs to find and get creeped out by? The maiden in the boat was herself. Remember after Kyoya kills Datatsushi Hisako got super old and then fell into a strange hole in the ground while riding the altar? She fell into the past and rode the altar down the river. The box she had contained the freshly-dead Datatsushi's head. His head was used in the bride ceremonies but had been lost somehow right before the game starts (it's not said how, maybe it's what Miyako was smashing at the start). After floating down the river for awhile she eventually, through time shenanigans, ended up back at the present and gave Hisako the head so that she could complete the ceremony.
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Miyako is cutting off the head at the start- which is needed for the creature to resurrect later in the game. The mana stone is under the church, along with, apparently, shibito, which seem to be sometimes created independently of the two big events, per the side stories. The cop at the beginning is also transitioning- it seems to be a sort of psychic time leak thing. Kyoya is killing all of the remaining shibito from the second incident. The ones from the first incident are horribly disfigured and mostly buried underground, in the reservoir ( taken care of by Kei), or wanderers like Tamon's parents. Who finds Harumi when she fell asleep toward the end? We see their shadow. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Nov 8, 2016 |
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Nov 8, 2016 22:47
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I thought Ishida was just super drunk before he got hit by the car. I think Kyoya carried her out of the nest and somehow sent her back to reality.
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I'm going off the Siren maniacs translation, which has word of god on some of these things. quote:...However, perhaps because he had been drinking alcohol the day of the incident, or perhaps alcohol lowers resistance to red water, but the day before, when the rift between the real world and the Other World had already begun to lose stability, in the middle of the night when the red water began to form Ishida, due to his incredibly low tolerance, turned into a half Shibito before the disappearances. Having been working that night with his elderly boss, Ishida shot his boss to death and began to wander the area (his half-Shibito line is, "Roger, shoot to kill..."). Later Ishida becomes a fly Shibito but, off guard due to his love of alcohol from his lifetime, his beloved New Nambu revolver is stolen by Kyoya.
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It's a good point though...why did the nest have to be so big? Its purpose was to protect the pool for the ceremony, but it engulfed the whole village. Did the shibito just keep building and building because they keep doing the same action over and over?
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