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MaxxBot posted:I apologize if this has been rehashed many times but I need some better explanation of this. nearly 175,000 fewer voted for hillary than voted for obama, which basically explains the swing trump by comparison picked up 60,000 voters over romney, and still had 30,000 fewer than obama. accounting for third party candidates that means that around a hundred thousand 2012 voters simply didn't turn out for 2016, and those that did turn out were mostly republican voters. nah thanks has issued a correction as of 01:13 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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squidgee posted:nearly 175,000 fewer voted for hillary than voted for obama, which basically explains the swing Obama 
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MaxxBot posted:So far people have said "white people" but Iowa isn't a rust belt state and is relatively educated, and that is a HUGE difference. The state went from Dem +6 to Rep +10 in the course of one election, that's a loving huge swing. It's not difficult. People in that state have not seen their lives or opportunities improve since the recession "ended". That's how we got President Trump: In most of the country, the recession is still ongoing. People are still trapped in illegal loans on their upside-down homes and drowning in student debt. Jobs have bounced back but at much lower wages. They can't leave, they can barely make it to the next paycheck, and Hillary's message was that everything is better now. Trump's message was that it isn't.
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Lastgirl posted:"excoriating bernie supporters during the primary seemed like a good idea at the time, wait why are you victimizing me" Attacking supporters of Trump was a good idea as well. At least Bernie was always good at focusing on issues, while not resorting petty attacks or talking down to supporters of his opponent. Meanwhile Yaas queen attacked him for supporting single payer and also coordinated with Correct the Record to send smear attacks agaisnt him.
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Typo posted:Obama That's been my take on the election, Obama's popularity basically masked the fact that people hate the Dems or don't care enough about them to turn out to vote.
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GlyphGryph posted:Is rural New Jersey actually a real place even? it's literally nowhere near as hidebound as this idiot is suggesting also not nearly as poor and backwards as this guy suggests. lots of opioids though
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MaxxBot posted:That's been my take on the election, Obama's popularity basically masked the fact that people hate the Dems or don't care enough about them to turn out to vote. 2012 Obama: I saved the car factories that's y u still have a job 2012 Romney: Let detroit go bankrupt White working class: ok......I guess maybe we'll go for Obama in significant enough minority to hand him the win 2016: Trump: I'll bring bak the jobs Hillary: don't u see Trump is a russian plant White working class: who the gently caress cares Trump *click*
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Nov 11, 2016 01:13
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Sitting at a wings place, table next to me is talking about currency manipulation and how we need to talk about "CHINA" and not "Lady GAGA". This is suburban Atlanta, by the way. Sort of an indictment of the Clinton campaign.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:17
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Typo posted:coastal liberal elites sneering calling everyone who live in a small town redneck racist misogynist homophobes is unfortunately a lot closer to the truth than I'm comfortable with Would they be equally comfortable with me, a straight white man, calling every black person anything? Or would they insist that while there are trends within demographic groups, they are not a homogenous entity that you can just label and forget? To be fair I agree with you, the label is more accurate than I'd like but anytime I hear the word "everyone" used to describe a group, that's a signal to me that whomever is saying it doesn't know poo poo about whomever it is they're about to poo poo on.
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HannibalBarca posted:Sitting at a wings place, table next to me is talking about currency manipulation and how we need to talk about "CHINA" and not "Lady GAGA". This is suburban Atlanta, by the way. Sort of an indictment of the Clinton campaign. weird how the campaign that ran on issues instead of celebrity endorsements and woke nerds jerking themselves over the Rapidly Approaching Oppo Drop managed to win bigly
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Nov 11, 2016 01:19
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you know what's hosed up? the planned parenthood pac brought about the certain destruction of planned parenthood by interfering with the primary
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Fullhouse posted:weird how the campaign that ran on issues instead of celebrity endorsements and woke nerds jerking themselves over the Rapidly Approaching Oppo Drop managed to win bigly Oh my god the loving oppo drop. Time to find Rick Wilson's house and firebomb it.
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Condiv posted:you know what's hosed up? the planned parenthood pac brought about the certain destruction of planned parenthood by interfering with the primary Same thing with the HRC, but unlike PP they are a garbage organization that deserves to be destroyed.
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Condiv posted:you know what's hosed up? the planned parenthood pac brought about the certain destruction of planned parenthood by interfering with the primary Bernie didn't support women unlike Hillary.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:21
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Nov 11, 2016 01:21
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Typo posted:2012 Obama: I saved the car factories that's y u still have a job Dude, the auto bailout loving sucked and really only helped the capitalists/shareholders who owned it by a gigantic proportion. Deimus has issued a correction as of 01:23 on Nov 11, 2016 |
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HannibalBarca posted:Sitting at a wings place, table next to me is talking about currency manipulation and how we need to talk about "CHINA" and not "Lady GAGA". This is suburban Atlanta, by the way. Sort of an indictment of the Clinton campaign. Now they're talking about the relative attractiveness of all the women involved in the campaign, so, you know, maybe these people are just insufferable.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:22
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Zikan posted:i've started working on the spreadsheet for DNC committee members and will post it when I've got the state party chairs and seconds and keep updating it the other categories Doing God's work.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:22
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Deimus posted:Dude, the auto bailout loving sucked and really only helped the capitalists/shareholders who owned it. yeah yeah sure explain that to working class people in OH/MI
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Nov 11, 2016 01:22
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Burnie wouldn't have won because Burnie was no more willing to tell lies and sell dreams than Hillary was. the only way to win is to lie to white people
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Nov 11, 2016 01:22
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Zikan posted:i've started working on the spreadsheet for DNC committee members and will post it when I've got the state party chairs and seconds and keep updating it the other categories Thanks so much for doing this.
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Nov 11, 2016 01:25
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I don't hate the rust belt for rust belt for grabbing on to lies but I'm disappointed in them for not seeing through it and also Hillary for ignoring them. Blughggh
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the american people haven't had the education necessary to discern lies from truth and never will
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NecroMonster posted:Burnie wouldn't have won because Burnie was no more willing to tell lies and sell dreams than Hillary was. Hillfolk were accusing him of doing just that during the primary.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215quote:At Brooklyn headquarters on Wednesday, Podesta expressed his gratitude and support for the team, and for Mook. “We have the number one campaign manager,” he said, in a staff-wide gathering in the afternoon. "I've been doing this since 1968 and I've never seen a culture and a spirit like we created in this campaign.” On the conference call with thousands of staff across the country, Clinton also called in and thanked her team for their dedication. This is physically painful to read. gently caress all of these people.
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those that have the education lack the decency to put it to proper use because everyone lacks an education in decency in this country, capitalist consumerism has no room for decency after all
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The Kingfish posted:Hillfolk were accusing him of doing just that during the primary. oh i'm aware of the irony here
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Yeah I really hate to say it as a technocratic introvert nerd but. To win the Presidency as a Dem you need to be a charismatic celebrity that's willing to use some hyperbolic rhetoric, turnout is absolutely crucial and you need to be a rockstar that can bring people to the polls like Obama. That probably won't result in the ideologically best or most competent candidate but none of that poo poo matters if you can never win and you also can't even bring out turnout for down ballot races.
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The Kingfish posted:Hillfolk were accusing him of doing just that during the primary. as it turns out the hillfolks were selling the ultimate fantasy: that hillary rodham clinton could win a general election
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The Kingfish posted:Hillfolk were accusing him of doing just that during the primary. and the entire neoliberal media remember when this poo poo happened http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-new-york-times-sandbagged-bernie-sanders-20160315 quote:First, as noted in the Medium piece, they changed the headline. It went from:
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Pomp posted:I don't hate the rust belt for rust belt for grabbing on to lies but I'm disappointed in them for not seeing through it and also Hillary for ignoring them.
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HannibalBarca posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215 “They are saying they did nothing wrong, which is ridiculous,” said one Clinton surrogate. “She was the wrong messenger and everyone misjudged how pissed working class people were.” As the reality of a Trump presidency began to set in on Thursday, there was a growing sick sense among longtime Clinton allies and advisers that the aide who long ago advised the former secretary of state against mounting a second presidential bid, Cheryl Mills, may have been right. In interviews with close to a dozen top Clinton allies and former operatives, who did not want to publicly criticize the losing campaign or candidate, many expressed a deep frustration that the party had pinned its hopes on a divisive establishment candidate and failed to fully embrace the reality that despite President Barack Obama’s soaring approval rating, 2016 was ultimately a change election.
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MaxxBot posted:Yeah I really hate to say it as a technocratic introvert nerd but. "Republicans are always looking for the next Reagan; Democrats are always looking for the next JFK."
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Karl Barks posted:i work for a uni and the dean sent out an email that said this election is proof we need to focus more on educating people. good poo poo.
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Typo posted:yeah yeah sure explain that to working class people in OH/MI Their wages were cut in half
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Deimus posted:Their wages were cut in half instead of 100%?
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