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Walton Simons posted:Is After the End any good? It would be nice to have a different map to paint. IMO yes. Stealing from a post I made on Reddit: quote:The gist of it is "Medieval Post-Apocalyptic North/Central/South America". For the most part, people have forgotten the ancient empire of Usa, and content themselves with squabbling over the remains. In the Northwest, you've got the Haida and Gaian tribals fighting over the forests of Cascadia. South of them is the shattered Celestial Empire of California, waiting to be restored to its full glory. A bit east are some other tribals, worshipping the Mighty Atom, the Mormons in Deseret, and good Catholics following the Pope in New Rome. Around the Great Lakes are the fearsome Norsemen, returned to worship of One-Eyed Wotan, and Rust Cultists brought together in adoration of the wonders of the Old World. In New England there are Occultists, who've read too much into the writings of Lovecraft and Crowley, and Anabaptists who frankly don't do much. On the Mid-Atlantic, you have the Americanists who do remember the old ways and revere the founders, and seek to Restore America to its Old Glory. In the south-east, you've got the Holy Columbian Confederacy, who're basically the HRE, in all their day-wrecking, knight-jousting glory. Occasionally somebody will be hit by a Consumerist uprising, who believe that the Old World fell because we did not offer sufficient homage to the Almighty Dollar.
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Walton Simons posted:Is After the End any good? It would be nice to have a different map to paint. Yeah, it's good. A lot of religions/areas don't have their own unique mechanics but it's still fun. There's lots of cool ideas in it that make it easy to get immersed, lots of different options to play, interesting conflicts etc.
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Sounds good, I've just created the Empire of Britannia this minute and elective empire management isn't as fun as I imagined.
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GO gently caress YOURSELF posted:Have they updated it recently yet? Development is ongoing, the SVN version is playable though.
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darthbob88 posted:IMO yes. Stealing from a post I made on Reddit: ... has someone done the inevitable yet and made a Trump dynasty Americanist "Make America Great Again" run?
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Nov 15, 2016 00:07
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Walton Simons posted:Is After the End any good? It would be nice to have a different map to paint. Extremely, it's one of the best mods around because it's very much the base game on a new map and with careful, sensible changes. No bloat, no bullshit.
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I can confirm that After the End is really good. Overall I'd say stay clear of the religions or cultures that don't have much in the way of unique mechanics yet but what we have is great. I've had a lot of fun as a voodoo Republic of New Orleans and as a rust cultist. Also it lets Americans do what Europeans have always been able to do and turn their hometown into the center of a glorious empire. Pakled fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 00:08
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Nice, I'll probably start a new game with it tomorrow, normally I like finishing an old game before starting anything anew but I've been listening to a lot of Hardcore History and it makes me want to paint the map, and I've already done that in Europe. Also my elective/isolationist gimmick is wearing thin. As an aside, does the CK2 Generator result in fun gameplay yet? Obviously it can never be as well crafted as something like AtE but might be good for a future run.
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Sky Shadowing posted:... has someone done the inevitable yet and made a Trump dynasty Americanist "Make America Great Again" run?
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Nov 15, 2016 02:45
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darthbob88 posted:I've seen several on Reddit, looking up a post or two now. I figured someone on Reddit had done it. I meant someone with class, like a Goon. Or a really good LPer. Even a Redditer, if such a thing could exist.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I figured someone on Reddit had done it. I meant someone with class, like a Goon. Ah. Best I've found so far is this disappointing 2-part AAR, and the one who will, in time of need, return to rescue us from the Feudal 1%.
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Pakled posted:Also it lets Americans do what Europeans have always been able to do and turn their hometown into the center of a glorious empire. Is Alaska in it? Haven't downloaded it yet but pics I've seen looks like it cuts off around Vancouver. 
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Nov 15, 2016 09:31
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It goes from Vancouver Island to Labrador and Newfoundland along the top, then the bottom has most of Colombia, Venezuela and the Guyanas. Adding Alaska (probably as a map inset) has been thrown around a lot but nobody's really eager to do it.  
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Nov 15, 2016 10:41
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I did a personal Trump run before the election as Americanists but my only attempted LP of the game died as quickly as my motivation
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Edison was a dick posted:Development is ongoing, the SVN version is playable though. Thanks, good to know!
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I just lost a war because 300 raiders that were my religion mixed in with 8000 troops holy warring me completely nullified my holy order.
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Lmao I love that poo poo. Caught me by surprise once and I got so mad I ate a candy.
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Darth Windu posted:Lmao I love that poo poo. Caught me by surprise once and I got so mad I ate a candy. Nice meltdown.
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Nov 16, 2016 02:26
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Thank you pigpissman. Also it is really hard to get a foothold in Pannonia / wallachia, all the land is so crappy And the vlach retinue SUCKS SO MUCH
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Nov 16, 2016 12:44
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This is my first game with Legacy of Rome, is the idea of retinues to have them around all the time in peacetime and eat the cost in exchange for having better troops?
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Walton Simons posted:This is my first game with Legacy of Rome, is the idea of retinues to have them around all the time in peacetime and eat the cost in exchange for having better troops? Retinues are better than ordinary troops in literally every possible way, with the only drawback being that you don't get very many. The cost in particular is completely controllable, if you don't want them eating up your cash then just set them to reinforce at half-pace or not at all. Back in the day it used to be possible to get 20k+ retinues at which point you literally didn't need anything else because armies larger than that are easy to gently caress over via attrition, smaller armies don't stand a chance, and equally-sized armies could skirmish with them and the retinues would reinforce faster and potentially beat them on the next go-round even if they lost the first one. (It's probably still possible with enough territory but it's unlikely to happen in anything but the most viciously optimized, "paint the entire world my color" kind of games.) Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Nov 16, 2016 |
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Nov 16, 2016 23:30
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I'll start using them in that case, it takes a while to get them up to speed, though. Is it worth keeping them around even if you're not actively looking to pick a fight?
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Nov 16, 2016 23:33
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Walton Simons posted:I'll start using them in that case, it takes a while to get them up to speed, though. Is it worth keeping them around even if you're not actively looking to pick a fight?
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The entire point is to keep them around even when you aren't in a fight. They have since been nerfed in that their is a measurable maintenance cost even when fully reinforced. But given retinue limits, that should only come into play for very specific cases of owning too much dirt farming land or having a completely rear end backward realm structure.
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Nov 16, 2016 23:37
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That's cool, I'm rich and compact with pretty uppity vassal so I'll form them now.
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So I had 3 trading posts in the trade zone around Venice, with the other families having 1-2. But now one died out and after their posts got redistributed another family has 3, so I no longer control the zone. What can I do about this? Zone's already full and I'm the doge so building and war aren't options.
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Dragonwagon posted:So I had 3 trading posts in the trade zone around Venice, with the other families having 1-2. But now one died out and after their posts got redistributed another family has 3, so I no longer control the zone. What can I do about this? Zone's already full and I'm the doge so building and war aren't options. murder every male in their family and see where the cards fall in the next redistribution.
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Volkerball posted:murder every male in their family and see where the cards fall in the next redistribution. Man, if we hadn't just had a thread title change...
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OH my gods why the gently caress haven't they still fixed the Ursulines in the drat After the End mod?? I still can't see my bishops, I still am stuck on Free Investure, they still have no pilgrimage, what the heck. At least Newfie is a culture now, which is neat and lets me play with another "Most Obscure Culture" to pain the map with.
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Walton Simons posted:I'll start using them in that case, it takes a while to get them up to speed, though. Is it worth keeping them around even if you're not actively looking to pick a fight? The maintenance cost is diminished significantly when a retinue is full (about 10% of what it costs you when it's reinforcing), so keeping them around during peacetime is actually cheaper than dismissing them and re-building them unless you wait a LONG time between wars.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Retinues are better than ordinary troops in literally every possible way, with the only drawback being that you don't get very many. The cost in particular is completely controllable, if you don't want them eating up your cash then just set them to reinforce at half-pace or not at all. In those days a retinue of 25k could smash an army of 150k+ as long as you had a good cultural retinue(ie: not light inf or light cav) and abused the hell out of it. I have found memories of having 25k heavy infantrymen meet the Mongol murderstack and wear it down because they had so many stacking defence bonuses that they were functionally immortal.
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What the gently caress is this "DOES NOT HAVE SETTLEMENT CONSTRUCTION" poo poo. Why do they keep adding this stupid bullshit? Having to upgrade it way too far to make a castle, they then decide to add a buggy thing to stop you from doing, what exactly? The trick where you could start building a castle in a one province tribal holding, then convert the tribal holding to a castle for a grand total of ~2 entire castles~ which you could perform in, what, that one place in Mali and some of the shittiest parts of the north? I mean, yeah, I found an easy workaround where I just land a dude, adopt feudalism then kill him to inherit but its still pretty dumb Deceitful Penguin fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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Volkerball posted:murder every male in their family and see where the cards fall in the next redistribution. Oh drat, I actually ended up getting one of their posts and it was adjacent to my established zone. Didn't think it would work out so well.
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Dragonwagon posted:Oh drat, I actually ended up getting one of their posts and it was adjacent to my established zone. Didn't think it would work out so well. CK2 consistently rewards moral depravity.
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Since when can you no longer declare war on someone preparing to invade you? I would think that they would be the ideal target to declare war on??? They really should just change invasions to be event driven...
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I hadn't played this in many months and recently started a new game as the Emir of Tripoli. My starting ruler was pretty normal. Died of cancer. Second ruler was a humble, kind-hearted cannibal who ate one of his wives. Died of cancer. Third and current ruler is a genius, disfigured lunatic who wears a mask and is now King of Syria. Fun stuff.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Since when can you no longer declare war on someone preparing to invade you? I would think that they would be the ideal target to declare war on??? What's the weirdest place you invaded, I'll go first...............TREBIZOND!!!
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Ah, I almost long for the days of old retinues, and running over entire enemy armies with my 40k cataphracts as I restored the Glory of Rome.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Ah, I almost long for the days of old retinues, and running over entire enemy armies with my 40k cataphracts as I restored the Glory of Rome. Nomads are the current equivalent. If I survive long enough to hit 3k horses, I'll survive long enough to hit 30k horses. It is really expensive to reinforce 30k heavy cavalry after you chain assaulted the Byzantine Empire during an invasion.
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Yeesh. I've never had a game where I actually saw a Cadaver Synod before. In my current game, there's been 3. It's only year 824.
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