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TMMadman posted:I feel like this is bullshit because Ernie is only the lynch leader by 1 vote at this point and it seems more like it's mostly because people aren't really engaging with the game. don't forget asiina's spiritual vote i mean i considered that but the lead is the lead. i'd much rather dunk mmt if that's an option.
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Somberbrero posted:don't forget asiina's spiritual vote What's your case on MMT again? I remember thinking "hhmmmmm yes" but I forget the details and as a rogue cop with nothing to lose, I'm very lazy.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:25
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MMT never really addressed my answer, so I'm not sure where she's at with that. Reading back, I agree that her chores vote is pretty lazy. I always feel like chores looks like an easy vote to scum. He's one of the people I usually watch to see how people react to him. Would vote.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:32
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hi folks, I'm very sick atm and headed to a doctor right now, I will check in before the deadline unless I am literally passed out in bed. currently comfortable with votes on TM, Pmom, and chores
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Nov 17, 2016 05:36
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mmt made a case against chores that was two points a) lurking b) meta a lurker dunk is extremely silly d1. lurking has no connection to alignment and it puts us in an awkward position in terms of information d2. i'd also say that mmt has hardly been more active, which i don't think fits with her meta either. i still don't really like tmm's position on ernie, but at least he has made a different case even if i find it entirely uncompelling. ##unvote ##vote murmur twin
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Nov 17, 2016 05:41
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I've pushed a lurker lynch on D1 as scum, but I also feel that a lurker lynch isn't that terrible an idea on D1 as town. Lurkers are terrible for the game. It's impossible to get a read on them, they aren't helping to find scum and I'd rather just jettison them early because otherwise scum can make an easy push on them later in the game. Dongs is 'playing' completely differently than he has played the last few games I've seen him in and it's really weird.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:44
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I honestly have way more of a problem with the way Somber is pushing cases right now than I do with the case MMT made against dongs. Somber feels really dishonest in this game and I think he might be scum with PMom.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:46
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our goal is to lynch scum lurking has nothing to do with alignment lynching a lurker is a lazy cop out. i signed up to use my brain to play mafias.
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Nov 17, 2016 05:59
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also meta cases are extremely silly. who knows what's going on with dongs right now? max is being extremely prickly and asiina is being very unhelpful, both traits i wouldn't normally ascribe to them. what does that mean? i don't know! no one does. it's reading tea leaves, implying otherwise is foolish.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:04
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Somberbrero posted:our goal is to lynch scum It honestly feels more like you're either protecting a scumbuddy in dongs or gain cred for not lynching town. dongs has all of 6 posts after 3 days of the game being open. He's not helping and that's anti town. He could very well be scum who just doesn't want to participate right now because he knows lurkers don't usually get lynched on D1, so he's a perfectly valid lynch target. Lurking may not have anything to do with alignment, but lurking certainly doesn't help town.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:07
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to clarify, the db case seems bad to me because ernie was our only viable target at that point.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:07
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TMMadman posted:It honestly feels more like you're either protecting a scumbuddy in dongs or gain cred for not lynching town. this was the same argument i made against you with ernie, what's up with the cognitive dissonance?
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Nov 17, 2016 06:09
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Somberbrero posted:to clarify, the db case seems bad to me because ernie was our only viable target at that point. No, Ernie wasn't the only viable target when MMT made the dongbot case. That is a flat out lie. There were two votes on Ernie when MMT voted for dongs. You're being very disingenuous this game Somber and I really do think you're scum here, so I'm going to ##vote Somber For all you're talk about not wanting to lynch a lurker, MMT isn't that much better than a lurker at this point. She has all of 10 posts more than dongs at this time and the only real point you have against her is that she made a meta case on D1 against dongs.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:12
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Somberbrero posted:this was the same argument i made against you with ernie, what's up with the cognitive dissonance? There's no cognitive dissonance. I was pushing back against lynching someone who was actively posting and while some of it was scummy, I didn't feel it was enough to lynch him. On the other hand, you seem to be flat out refusing to consider that dongs could just be lurking scum here. Nothing dongs has done in this game deserves the protection you seem to be giving him.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:15
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haha, well yes. tmm i am refusing to consider dongs because it's a complete shot in the dark based on extremely poor reasoning.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:19
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you don't see how advocating a lurker lynch when, as i've pointed out, mmt isn't posting much herself, is weird? i'm just checking.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:23
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I'd like people to look at tired moritz again
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Nov 17, 2016 06:25
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Somberbrero posted:you don't see how advocating a lurker lynch when, as i've pointed out, mmt isn't posting much herself, is weird? i'm just checking. Dongs is not known for lurking, he is known for the exact opposite: posting quite heavily. On the other hand, MMT can be kind of streaky with her posting in games. I've seen her post heavily as both town/scum and I've seen her not post much as both town/scum. Here's some questions for you: If MMT had come in and said, I have a gut feel that dongs is scum would you be considering her as scum right now? What do you think of dong 'case' on Keane?
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Nov 17, 2016 06:43
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TMMadman posted:Dongs is not known for lurking, he is known for the exact opposite: posting quite heavily. On the other hand, MMT can be kind of streaky with her posting in games. I've seen her post heavily as both town/scum and I've seen her not post much as both town/scum. oh my drat you are missing the point. meta is meaningless. normally i'm a medium to high volume poster but sometimes i just don't do poo poo. maybe dongs has stuff going on in their life, idk and idc. this is such an unproductive discussion. i'm not going to speak to a hypothetical because that's stupid. we're not playing an imaginary game, we're playing the one in front of us. i think don'gs 'case' on keane is better than mmt's case on dongs, legitimately.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:48
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Somberbrero posted:oh my drat you are missing the point. meta is meaningless. normally i'm a medium to high volume poster but sometimes i just don't do poo poo. maybe dongs has stuff going on in their life, idk and idc. this is such an unproductive discussion. Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're scum at this point. You think that dongs case which consists of 'I have a read' is better than MMT saying that she thinks dong is scum based on a meta read. They are basically the same thing.
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Nov 17, 2016 06:52
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i can point out where mmt's case is fundamentally unsound, and i have. i can't do the same for dongs. you are being so obtuse! how does you thinking i'm wrong correlate to alignment?
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Nov 17, 2016 06:56
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Somberbrero posted:i can point out where mmt's case is fundamentally unsound, and i have. i can't do the same for dongs. It's the same loving case. Holy loving poo poo, you the one being obtuse. Dongs case is 'I have a read'. MMTs case is 'I have a meta read'. There is no loving difference there are all.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:00
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Having a read and having a meta read are different things. Both are bad cases though cause they don't convince anyone of anything.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:02
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Asiina posted:Having a read and having a meta read are different things. I would agree if it wasn't D1. But on D1 dongs vote keane and then ~18 hours later came back with his 'I have a read' response. So to say that's a better 'case' than MMTs meta read that a lurking dongs is more likely to be scum is complete bullshit. Somber is scum here.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:06
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TMMadman posted:I would agree if it wasn't D1. But on D1 dongs vote keane and then ~18 hours later came back with his 'I have a read' response. And just to clarify, dongs made his vote on Keane ~22 hours in to the game in his second post and then followed it up ~18 hours later with his 'I have a read' response.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:08
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why did we spend so long talking about lurkers if that's not an element of her case? why can you not see why it's so much stranger for mmt to be calling out behaviors she sees as scummy when she is participating in them?
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Nov 17, 2016 07:09
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I'm done engaging with you on this Somber. You're scum here and I know it.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:10
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holy poo poo. MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT CONNECTS BEHAVIOR TO ALIGNMENT.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:12
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you're not even trying to find scum, you're just arguing to argue.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:16
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Somberbrero posted:you're not even trying to find scum, you're just arguing to argue. mafia.txt
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Nov 17, 2016 07:29
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Asiina posted:mafia.txt HELP OUT YOU SCUMBO
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Nov 17, 2016 07:35
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Somberbrero posted:HELP OUT YOU SCUMBO 1:30AM Asiina gets into an argument with Madman and Somber This is definitely a good and cool idea.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:37
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Asiina posted:1:30AM madman is probably town even if he sucks at it.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:42
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The other name I was very confident on (other than CCKeane) was, in fact, MurmurTwin so I'd be fine switching to that.
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Nov 17, 2016 07:46
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Sorry, I have not been posting. I'm been stressed out with paying bills for something I haven't even used in 2 years. Anyway, I just reread a bit and I find TMM's posting kinda weird, he didn't want Ernie to get lynched but he's also upset that the deadline is pushed. Yeah, I know that's not an in-depth case but that's all I can wring out of all the posts. It just reads like a blur to me right now. I kinda understand the MMT's votes but eh, I don't really buy it. And actually Sombre's vote on them is kinda weird, since MMT's lurking a bit as well and they said that lynching lurkers wouldn't provide much information. Kinda confusing to be against voting lurkers because it provides less info and then vote to kill a lurker. Tell me if I'm getting things right, the constant use of mafia terms kinda makes every post kinda confusing for me , a bad player.
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Nov 17, 2016 13:44
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MMT, a lurker, has actually made a case against other lurkers. There is a difference between MMT's case and Somber's case.
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Nov 17, 2016 15:10
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Sorry, one other lurker, not multiple.
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Nov 17, 2016 15:11
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Like, MMT saying lets get rid of a lurker and Somber saying lets get rid of MMT for pushing a lurker case are two different things here. That MMT is also lurking is incidental to that case.
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Nov 17, 2016 15:12
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Also, I'm sorry for being prickly. It's been a rough week at work that I let seep into here when I shouldn't have.
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TMMadman posted:It's the same loving case. Holy loving poo poo, you the one being obtuse. Dongs made that post after MMT had already posted their read of dongs, this is not the same situation. I don't really like this characterization that you and TM have given Somber's case because it seems pretty clear to me that they aren't the same.
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