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Aren't Death and Azrael completely separate characters?
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Nov 16, 2016 02:56
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Azrael is the angel of death, aka the one God sends out to do stuff like kill all the first born sons of Egypt. Death is of the Endless, one of 7 beings that are personifications of universal constants.
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Nov 16, 2016 03:01
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muscles like this! posted:Azrael is the angel of death, aka the one God sends out to do stuff like kill all the first born sons of Egypt. Death is of the Endless, one of 7 beings that are personifications of universal constants. And honestly I'm kind of disappointed that Lucifer is going with Azrael. There are a million other angels they could have used, but no, they have to go with the same name that Gotham decided to desecrate too.  muscles like this! posted:Azrael is the angel of death, aka the one God sends out to do stuff like kill all the first born sons of Egypt. Death is of the Endless, one of 7 beings that are personifications of universal constants. Correct, except of course in Vertigo comics the regular Angel of Death retired in the 1800s and melted down his sword.... 
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Nov 16, 2016 03:27
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counterfeitsaint posted:It would be inconsistent for him to recognize Uriel, the widdlest angel, and not Azreal, unless she's being all sneaky on purpose. I think they said Lucifer was the youngest and Amenadiel was the oldest angel, so she really shouldn't have been "young" before Lucifer left
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Nov 16, 2016 03:44
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VendaGoat posted:The baby angel of death.... SIDS?
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Nov 16, 2016 16:55
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That would be the Angel of Baby Death.
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Nov 16, 2016 16:56
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Now I hope Lucifer sings his version of "Angel of Death" by Slayer on the piano.
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Nov 16, 2016 17:59
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VendaGoat posted:Another war on Heaven. Looks like Mom plans to push Lucifer to give in to the knife and murder some humans so he'll get over his love of them and go on the Crusade with her and Amenadiel to "get God's attention" with bloodshed and carnage which can't be good. At least, that's what I got.
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Nov 17, 2016 18:55
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Whoa. Apparently Joe Henderson (exec producer) got a phone call on his personal private cell tonight from a Trump supporter, bitching at him for supporting Hillary. Holy poo poo. It's a show, people need to calm down about the messages fictional characters are saying. Tracking down a private number through a series of channels is crazy.
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Nov 17, 2016 19:05
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Pan Dulce posted:Holy poo poo. It's a show, people need to calm down about the messages fictional characters are saying. Tracking down a private number through a series of channels is crazy. Welcome to the internet.
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Nov 17, 2016 19:06
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Pan Dulce posted:Holy poo poo. It's a show, people need to calm down about the messages fictional characters are saying. Tracking down a private number through a series of channels is crazy. It's funny, because two years ago no one would have batted an eye at that joke.
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Nov 17, 2016 20:01
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Why is Azraels blade so dangerous? I get that it can kill Angels but so can those knives Maze has. Is it the only thing that can kill Luci's mother?
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Nov 17, 2016 21:33
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Titan posted:Why is Azraels blade so dangerous? It obliterates anything, soul and all. So, if you kill Luci his soul goes to hell. Maze's blades can actually harm a demon. Regular knives can not. The blade basically treats divinity as humans.
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Nov 17, 2016 21:50
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VendaGoat posted:It obliterates anything, soul and all. So, if you kill Luci his soul goes to hell. Maze's blades can actually harm a demon. Regular knives can not. The blade also has a desire to kill things that infects the person who holds it.
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Nov 17, 2016 21:59
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VendaGoat posted:It obliterates anything, soul and all. So, if you kill Luci his soul goes to hell. Maze's blades can actually harm a demon. Regular knives can not. That's what I'm unclear on. Does it wipe them from existence? Like is Uriel just gone? Not just back in Heaven? In season 1 didn't Luci get stabbed by that corrupt cop with Maze's knife and that caused him to die and go back to Hell? Amenadiel got shanked by one of Maze's knife and he was dying before she healed him with a feather from Luci's wings. The only way I can see her sword being a truly fearsome weapon is if it literally erases you from existence.
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Nov 18, 2016 02:23
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Titan posted:That's what I'm unclear on. Does it wipe them from existence? Like is Uriel just gone? Not just back in Heaven? From what the show has told us, in Luci's own words; "Uriel, that's Azrael's blade. You're not planning on taking Mum back to Hell. That weapon will wipe her out of existence entirely. No Heaven, no Hell, just... gone." Maze's dagger a demon or angel will return to whence they came. As Lucifer did in the season ender of the first season.
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Nov 18, 2016 02:26
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VendaGoat posted:From what the show has told us, in Luci's own words; "Uriel, that's Azrael's blade. You're not planning on taking Mum back to Hell. That weapon will wipe her out of existence entirely. No Heaven, no Hell, just... gone." I must have missed that part. I thought the obliteration comments was just Luci being Luci and using hyperbole. Thanks for the info!
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Nov 18, 2016 02:28
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Titan posted:I must have missed that part. I thought the obliteration comments was just Luci being Luci and using hyperbole. Happy to help.
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Nov 18, 2016 02:29
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VendaGoat posted:Happy to help. Kind of odd for God to create a weapon that can erase himself from existence. If it can kill his wife surely it can kill him too. Maybe that's momma's end game. Lead another war on Heaven and kill God and take his place.
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Nov 18, 2016 02:32
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Probably a test or some poo poo; isn't God supposedly all about the retarded-rear end tests of faith?
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Nov 18, 2016 02:46
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"But in Latin, Jehovah starts with an I..."
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Nov 18, 2016 02:52
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That puzzle bugs me so much. Why is there a J in the puzzle? Who put it there? I guess the Brotherhood of the Cruciform Sword was around for ~800 years, they obviously updated the puzzles. The sawblades were even more modern. I mean, at the bare minimum, they'd have to rebuild the letters every single time someone failed the test. So I guess it doesn't bug me at all. It's no optical sensor from the beginning of Raiders...
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Nov 18, 2016 03:53
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Titan posted:Kind of odd for God to create a weapon that can erase himself from existence. Nobody's saying that it can get rid of the big guy--just, you know, everyone else. This whole thing is starting to remind me of the Jerito Paradox: could Jesus make a burrito so hot that he couldn't eat it?
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Nov 18, 2016 04:09
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Titan posted:I must have missed that part. I thought the obliteration comments was just Luci being Luci and using hyperbole. As far as I can tell, he hasn't ever told a direct lie for the entire run of the series. He may dip into sarcasm, or misleading wording, but everything he says is true, if not always the entire truth. At this point I'm not sure if it's only a point of pride for him (as he says), or if he's actually flat-out incapable of telling a lie. His Brothers and Mom lie almost constantly, so it's not a general angelic/divine trait. I know in the comic it's all about his pride, but aside from borrowed names and a few scraps of premise, this show doesn't follow the comic much.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:29
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tarlibone posted:Nobody's saying that it can get rid of the big guy--just, you know, everyone else. God and Mom are the two beings who are responsible for all of creation. I wonder if they're of equal power. If they are, then what could kill her could kill God. They are both celestial beings after all.
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Nov 18, 2016 07:38
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The thing that keeps me from putting all celestial beings, or even just God and Mom, on the same level is this: God banished angels, including one of His sons. And, He banished Mom. If they were equal, I don't think He could just do that to Mom.
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Nov 18, 2016 15:31
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My take on the knife is it destroys the angel equivalent of the "soul" (or maybe souls are the same in angels and humans?), they are dead and gone and there is no coming back. As for killing God, going after the king is always risky, especially when the king is omnipotent or nearly so. The mythology here seems to be pinching a little from the Greeks and "Mom" is roughly equivalent to Chaos. She does seem to stir up trouble.
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Nov 18, 2016 21:52
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Well, yeah, she's being played by Tricia Helfer. That's basically her thing.
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Nov 18, 2016 23:13
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wormil posted:As for killing God, going after the king is always risky, especially when the king is omnipotent or nearly so.
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Nov 19, 2016 02:29
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Robot Hobo posted:Or God has already been dead for millennia and everyone just assumes he's doing his usual mysterious silence bullshit this entire time, with the Heavenly host just bustling about doing whatever they think he wants. Uriel seemed to fit that pattern, at least. Lucifer at least thinks that his visions were from dad, so at least there's someone out there pretending to be Him
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Nov 19, 2016 02:48
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I wonder if the blade destroys human souls too? No one seems to think it's even worth mentioning that all those human souls were murder stabbed out of existence. It can't be a very common occurrence. Normally the cases Lucifer works on folks were just normal dead and went to heaven/hell as normal, so I can see why not one would really care much about that.
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Nov 19, 2016 04:33
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counterfeitsaint posted:I wonder if the blade destroys human souls too? No one seems to think it's even worth mentioning that all those human souls were murder stabbed out of existence.
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Nov 19, 2016 04:58
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Is shtupping the devil a mortal sin?
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Nov 19, 2016 06:34
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VendaGoat posted:Is shtupping the devil a mortal sin? Well, there is the possibility that what's happened to Amanadiel is in part due to sleeping with Maze...
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Nov 19, 2016 06:50
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VendaGoat posted:Is shtupping the devil a mortal sin? Uh......well you might wind up conceiving the Anti-Christ, so there's that.....
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Nov 19, 2016 07:39
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VendaGoat posted:Is shtupping the devil a mortal sin? Probably no. And did you mean mortal or eternal? Criteria for mortal: Its subject must be a grave (or serious) matter. It must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense. It must be committed with deliberate and complete consent, enough for it to have been a personal decision to commit the sin. Second and third don't apply as she didn't have knowledge he was lucifer and it was shown that she didn't have complete consent as she was other his influence.
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Nov 19, 2016 17:25
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Lucifer has always been truthful about his identity, so technically she did know.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:07
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wormil posted:Lucifer has always been truthful about his identity, so technically she did know. I doesn't matter if he was telling the truth, she didn't know.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:25
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Nov 19, 2016 18:44
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tarlibone posted:The thing that keeps me from putting all celestial beings, or even just God and Mom, on the same level is this: God banished angels, including one of His sons. And, He banished Mom. If they were equal, I don't think He could just do that to Mom. God banished Mrs. God with the help of his Angels. God and Her may be on an equal footing but only one has the Heavenly Host backing him up. Kind of like in Supernatural where Chuck and Amara were equal but Chuck had the 4 Archangels backing him up.
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Nov 19, 2016 22:46
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