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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:What would you begin to cost/str that at? rez cost: 0 strength: 8 or something even higher Because that operation is going to get trashed the first time the subroutine fires, which means it will do nothing ever again.
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:What would you begin to cost/str that at? Realistically, this card would either be terrible or degenerate. Circumventing costs in a highly convoluted manner is never worth it to do "fair" effects. You'd only ever use this for Scorch or other I Win operations.
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Just have it let you play an operation from hand when rezzed
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Machai posted:Just have it let you play an operation from hand when rezzed I would spend the rest of my life trying to kill people with a Bandwidth -> Bandwidth -> Boom server
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The problem with playing events/operations at instant speed or during runs is that many of them can be used to initiate runs. You use that ICE's sub to play An Offer You Can't Refuse and now the runner is running while she's running. If both runs are on the same server then the runner can run past herself. At this point the FAQ doubles in length.
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AgentF posted:The problem with playing events/operations at instant speed or during runs is that many of them can be used to initiate runs. You use that ICE's sub to play An Offer You Can't Refuse and now the runner is running while she's running. If both runs are on the same server then the runner can run past herself. At this point the FAQ doubles in length. It was at that point that my console returned an underflow error and an honest-to-god blue screen of death. Like, I didn't even know those could still happen. But it turns out when you hit a server with quantum-entangled security protocols, your system clock gets really weird. I jacked out, threw up, called Jinteki IT and asked to speak to the SysOp that had been loving with me all run. I congratulated her, threw up again, and was promptly arrested.
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ZorajitZorajit posted:It was at that point that my console returned an underflow error and an honest-to-god blue screen of death. Like, I didn't even know those could still happen. But it turns out when you hit a server with quantum-entangled security protocols, your system clock gets really weird. I jacked out, threw up, called Jinteki IT and asked to speak to the SysOp that had been loving with me all run. I congratulated her, threw up again, and was promptly arrested.  This is why you close your tables, people Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Nov 17, 2016 |
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AgentF posted:The problem with playing events/operations at instant speed or during runs is that many of them can be used to initiate runs. You use that ICE's sub to play An Offer You Can't Refuse and now the runner is running while she's running. If both runs are on the same server then the runner can run past herself. At this point the FAQ doubles in length. Unless they introduce an interruption style tag then yeah. Too many issues related to gaining clicks or initiating runs during other actions.
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Nov 17, 2016 23:06
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I would love to use it to Cyberdex Trial on a run on R&D with a ton of Medium counters out.
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I'm running a Netrunner-themed mafia if anyone here is interested in signing up for that.
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Realtalk though, some kind of Scheherazade style "pause this run to make another run" card would be pretty hilarious.
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Kai Tave posted:Realtalk though, some kind of Scheherazade style "pause this run to make another run" card would be pretty hilarious.  Pause the run and start a new game where each player switches sides. If the current corp player wins that game, end the run.
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Nov 18, 2016 00:50
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Machai posted:
Players need 1 less agenda point to win the subgame^.
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The German version of Terminal Directive's Rulebook got leaked. I'm not going to post any spoilers from it because there's a bunch of Legacy mechanics that I wanna find out for myself.
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The Deleter posted:The German version of Terminal Directive's Rulebook got leaked. I'm not going to post any spoilers from it because there's a bunch of Legacy mechanics that I wanna find out for myself. The good news at least is that none of the cards in the sealed packs are going to be tournament legal so there is no reason to spoil them.
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LordNat posted:The good news at least is that none of the cards in the sealed packs are going to be tournament legal so there is no reason to spoil them. I was under the impression all the cards will be tournament legal. "even as the expansion provides a massive infusion to your standard, tournament-legal Android: Netrunner matches with 163 new cards (86 Corp and 77 Runner) divided between the Criminal, Shaper, Haas-Bioroid, and Weyland Consortium factions, as well as neutral."
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What are the odds that this is a "core box 2.0" type scenario? That's a lot of cards.
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That's physical cards, not counting playsets. By all accounts there's three copies each of 53 new cards, plus four identities. So about equivalent to a deluxe box, with everything in the spoiler packs counted seperately.
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Does anyone have a link to spoilers for just the cards, not the mechanics?
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All there is at this stage are card names from the sample Decklists (and the Diamond icon cards from Worlds), which are rough translations for the most part. If you just wanted the decklists: Ayla "Bios" Rahim 2x Careful Planning 2x Deep Data Mining 3x Diesel* 3x Modded* 3x Process Automation 3x Special Order* 1x Stimhack* 3x Sure Gamble* 2x Personal Touch* 2x Ubax 3x Datasucker* 3x Dhegdheer 3x Magnum Opus* 2x Adept 2x Gordian Blade 1x Mammon 2x Biometric Spoofing 2x Dean Lister Steve Cambridge 2x Account Siphon* 1x Brute Force Hack 3x Easy Mark* 3x Forged Activation Orders* 3x Process Automation 2x Spear Phishing 1x Special Order* 3x Sure Gamble* 1x Akamatsu Memchip* 2x Polyhistor 2x Aurora* 2x Femme Fatale* 2x Gordian Blade* 2x Mammon 1x Sneakdoor Beta 3x Armitage Codebusting* 2x Bankjob* 2x Biometric Spoofing 2x Quack 2x Dean Lister 2x Laguna Velasco District Seidr Laboratories 3x Accelerated Betatest* 3x Successful Field Test 1x Optional Upgrade 3x Adonis Campaign* 3x Marilyn Campaign 1x Aggresive Secretary 1x Snare!* 2x Mason Bellamy 1x Black Level Clearance 1x SanSan Citygrid 3x Hedge Funds 3x IPO 2x Archived Memories* 2x Biotic Labor* 1x Heimdall 1.0* 2x Viktor 1.0* 3x Ichi 1.0* 1x Enigma* 2x Tapestry 2x Eli 2.0  1x Rototurret* 2x Tollbooth* 2x Wall of Static* 1x Hortum Skorpios Defense Systems 3x Hardened Servers 2x Bribe Money 2x Adonis Campaign* 3x Snare!* 2x Mr. Stone 1x Melange Mining Corp* 2x PAD Campaign* 1x Sansan City Grid* 2x K.P. Lynn 2x Beanstalk Royalties* 3x Hedge Funds* 2x Scorched Earth* 2x Hunter-Seeker 2x IPO 1x Ice Wall* 2x Colossus 1x Hailstorm 2x Hortum 1x Enigma* 1x Wall of Static* 1x Data Raven* (* = Core Set card)
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It's a new thread! Time to talk about storage again, especially with the 1000th card being released soon. I bought 2x 2" Staples better binders a while back, but while bindering is great to browse through cards holy poo poo does it take forever to sort stuff back in. Plus numbering by set -> set number sucks. I'm thinking of resorting by faction/card type, but maybe just getting rid of my binders all together, otherwise doing the 9x 1" binder things I've seen some people mention. Curious what people who use their cards A LOT more than I ever get to do use.
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I sort by faction->card type-> set number
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I use 9x ultra-pro binders. One for each faction and one for Neutral Corp and Neutral Runner/Mini-factions, sorted by cycle and number. Alt-arts go beside the regular card. It sucks to organize at first, but it's really easy later on for both finding cards and putting new cards in later. I bought a box of extra sheets for when I run out of space. For Tokens I use a fishing tacklebox, which keeps everything organized nicely. berenzen fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Nov 19, 2016 |
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I got a stacking storage thing from Joann Fabrics and made an insert for the top half. It has enough room for four rows of vertical cards. I own almost everything and with three decks built it has enough wiggle room on all the rows to flip through cards and be able to stick my fat fingers in to take cards out. The bottom container is for tokens, rule book and decks 
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I use two big ring binders that are groaning at the seams and I'm going to need new ones soon. To hell with sorting by set/number, I just sort by faction and then card type (ID->Agenda->Asset->Upgrade->Ice->Operation etc). I'm gonna have to buy two more binders and break them into HB/Jinteki, NBN/Weyland/Neutral, and then Anarch/Crim and Shaper/Neutral/D&D IDs. Zephro fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Nov 20, 2016 |
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I've been enjoying this Smoke deck: Ele "Smoke" Scovak: Cynosure of the Net Event (8) 2x Account Siphon ●●●●● ●●● 3x Diesel 1x Indexing 1x Levy AR Lab Access 1x Rumor Mill ●● Hardware (9) 3x Akamatsu Mem Chip 2x Mirror 2x Net-Ready Eyes 2x R&D Interface Resource (12) 1x Artist Colony 1x Beth Kilrain-Chang 3x Ghost Runner 3x Net Mercur 1x Same Old Thing 3x Scrubber ●●● Icebreaker (4) 1x Corroder ●● 1x Dagger 1x Dai V 1x Refractor Program (7) 3x Cloak 1x Magnum Opus 3x Self-modifying Code 15 influence spent (max 15, available 0) 40 cards (min 40) Cards up to Intervention Deck built on https://netrunnerdb.com. I keep feeling like I'm behind, and then all of a sudden "oh hey I can siphon you and Index R&D or smash your assets, whatever."
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Sensies actor's union:Sensei's Divining Top::Net Mercur:Umezawa's Jitte
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Machai posted:I got a stacking storage thing from Joann Fabrics and made an insert for the top half. It has enough room for four rows of vertical cards. I own almost everything and with three decks built it has enough wiggle room on all the rows to flip through cards and be able to stick my fat fingers in to take cards out. Do not trust that handle.
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PJOmega posted:Do not trust that handle. I dont, I carry it around in a reusable grocery bag.
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Had anyone had much luck getting Khan to work yet? I'm looking at the game again and thinking of trying to relearn it on Jinteki. Khan is one of the first IDs in a while to pique my interest since Leela. The legacy campaign expansion + ghost in the shell coming out next year is making me want to try this again. Do a lot of goons play on Jinteki?
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Cinnamon Bear posted:Had anyone had much luck getting Khan to work yet?
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jeeves posted:It's a new thread! Time to talk about storage again, especially with the 1000th card being released soon. This is a bit old, but I use this  They've since been moved to another box and the corp has joined them. I worry sometimes about damaging them and I can't build by paging through it like I could with binders when I was doing that. Putting together and taking apart pre-arranged decklists is pretty efficient, though.
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:She bad. There are some decks on Netrunnerdb that you can check out. She's not unplayable but she's definitely not top tier either.
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Cinnamon Bear posted:Had anyone had much luck getting Khan to work yet? I'm looking at the game again and thinking of trying to relearn it on Jinteki. Khan is one of the first IDs in a while to pique my interest since Leela. Since nobody is going to actually answer this, I'll answer. Khan's suite is about making a big run on HQ, derezzing all the ice on the way, gaining a bunch of multi-access, and then hammering it over and over in the traditional Criminal manner. The problem with this is that all of her stuff is really expensive. Your deck is going to want a REALLY strong economy, most likely Temujins and run-based/event economy. You want stuff that will help/reward you for installing programs and when the Corp rezzes Ice. Your limited influence is going to be on some combination of Sasahara, Ice Analyser and Scheherazade for cash, and LLDS Processor for making breaking with the birds easier. Your multi-access is going to be Turning Wheel. If you're thinking "oh gosh, I don't have enough influence for all this," congrats, you're using your noodle! Deckbuilding is meant to be tricky! But you're also right. That support suite is gonna be all of your influence. It sucks. If you need to cut stuff, the absolute core of your imports is LLDS Processor. Compromised Employee is in-faction, as are all the various Jobs and Security Testing to punish remotes. Account Siphon for sure. Autoscripter maybe? You generally want Generic Criminal Tricks and economy for the rest of your cards. No backup breakers - if you wanna Kahn you gotta go all in on her gimmicks. Kahn isn't top tier, but once you get the support up and turn using the birds from a pain in the balls into a pain train on the Corp she's tons of fun.
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I appreciate the Khan breakdown! Sounds a bit disappointing so far, but I really like the idea behind it. I suppose I can try it out on Jinteki against some of my other relapsed friends who won't be terribly competitive either.
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The Deleter posted:Since nobody is going to actually answer this, I'll answer. Khan's suite is about making a big run on HQ, derezzing all the ice on the way, gaining a bunch of multi-access, and then hammering it over and over in the traditional Criminal manner. The problem with this is that all of her stuff is really expensive. One of the problems Khan suffers from is Splash damage. everyone is so terrified of ice destruction out of anarch that they don't run expensive ice anymore for fear of losing it so you do-rezzing ice doesn't do anything much when the Corp can rez for a credit or two
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That is true, and hopefully there will be a day and age where it's not so prevalent and people start playing larger ICE again, so derezzing ICE will be worth it. Sadly, the main sources of ICE destruction aren't going away any time soon. If Khan had more influence you could put En Passant in there and be a real jerk.
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Or you can run En Passant in your Val Blackmail spam deck, where it's really pretty good (and will make everyone hate you!)
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I hope more people use Ark Lockdown to remove copies of Blackmail and kick that archetype in the privates. All hail the Ark Lockdown meta.
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