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The question isn't whether Ohio State will get into the playoff. It is whether Ohio State and Penn State both get into the playoff if Penn State wins. Wisconsin will not go to the playoff even if they win unless there are big upsets elsewhere. I cannot see Ohio State going to the playoff instead of Penn State if Penn State wins decisively.
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Komet posted:The question isn't whether Ohio State will get into the playoff. It is whether Ohio State and Penn State both get into the playoff if Penn State wins. Wisconsin will not go to the playoff even if they win unless there are big upsets elsewhere. I cannot see Ohio State going to the playoff instead of Penn State if Penn State wins decisively. If PSU pulls an OSU in the 2014 conference title game, yeah, it would be hard to see PSU being left out. I don't think PSU is built for that and Wisconsin's defense is too good for that to happen, but anything is possible, Xort be praised. Honestly, I'm not going to be upset if OSU is left out. When you lose a game, you really can't complain about what happens next. I will be sad about missing out on people complaining about OSU, though.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:28
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mastershakeman posted:let OSU in but only on the condition they renounce their 2014 championship as unjust since TCU should've gotten in over them by this year's criteria This year's OSU team has beaten much better teams than that TCU team did MourningView fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 00:32
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Komet posted:The question isn't whether Ohio State will get into the playoff. It is whether Ohio State and Penn State both get into the playoff if Penn State wins. Wisconsin will not go to the playoff even if they win unless there are big upsets elsewhere. I cannot see Ohio State going to the playoff instead of Penn State if Penn State wins decisively. This is the one scenario where I'd be less angry about Ohio State getting in because then they're just loving over their own conference instead of another one.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:33
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Scionix posted:so the goal is not, in fact, to pick the best four teams. a bold strategy. I guess you're going to argue the eye test? Arguing logic with a Bama fan is already a Sisyphean task, but I'll try again since I hate myself and everyone else. If you aren't the best team in your division, you cannot be the best team in the country. I said in 2011 and I'll say it again. No, Ohio State should not make it into the playoffs over a team that wins its conference. This isn't loving rocket science. I'm not saying Ohio State isn't a great team. They just don't belong there over their conference or division champ.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:37
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I think there's a pretty easy argument to make that they're still the best team in their division/conference when you look at the season as a whole
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Nov 29, 2016 00:39
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You can make a much stronger argument that an 11-2 Penn State deserves to get in over an 11-2 Wisconsin, given that Wisconsin did lose to Ohio State. That's why I think OSU gets the playoff nod with a Wisconsin win, and Wisconsin gets the Rose Bowl. I'm not sure if Penn State can beat Wisconsin, but they have defied every expectation so far. They are banged up on the O line, but match Wisconsin well in every area. Every team that stacks 8 in the box to stop Barkley gets crushed by the deep ball. There are a lot of crazy stats about our second half offense and defense.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:43
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MourningView posted:I think there's a pretty easy argument to make that they're still the best team in their division/conference when you look at the season as a whole I'm firmly in the Conference Champions Only camp. Sometimes really good teams lose games and their shot at titles. It happens--but subjectively overriding the results on the field is really dumb.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:44
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Ohio State is a top 4 team this year and thus should make the playoffs
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Nov 29, 2016 00:47
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LeeMajors posted:I'm firmly in the Conference Champions Only camp. assuming a team is better because of one game also seems dumb to me. is penn state worse than Pitt? Or for that matter why is Penn State better than a Michigan team that demolished them?
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Nov 29, 2016 00:53
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MourningView posted:is penn state worse than Pitt? Yes.
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Nov 29, 2016 00:59
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MourningView posted:assuming a team is better because of one game also seems dumb to me. is penn state worse than Pitt? Or for that matter why is Penn State better than a Michigan team that demolished them? When you extend that out only a single step further you come back to the old system where you just pick who you think is the best team after the Bowl games.
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MourningView posted:assuming a team is better because of one game also seems dumb to me. is penn state worse than Pitt? Or for that matter why is Penn State better than a Michigan team that demolished them? Why have conferences then? Or games? We can go full Meat Market and declare a champion beauty-pageant style. It'll be really great. Just know that this is the kind of thinking that allows Bama to claim a billion false championships because they felt they were the best team. I figure we can all unite against that. LeeMajors fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Nov 29, 2016 |
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Nov 29, 2016 01:01
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Okay, we've gotten body clocks and we've gotten 13th data points. Anybody want to make a guess for the bullshit excuse the committee will make this season for a team?
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Nov 29, 2016 01:06
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theflyingexecutive posted:I'm a PSU fan who thinks people who use the abbreviation "tOSU" have diseased loving brains, but I agree. you do realize that oklahoma state is also abbreviated OSU right?
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Nov 29, 2016 01:06
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I also think its funny that sending a team that didn't win its division to the BCS NCG is exactly what led to the creation of the CFP and here we are arguing it all over again. Maybe this results in a 6 team playoff with 1 and 2 having byes.
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Nov 29, 2016 01:08
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Wickerman posted:you do realize that oklahoma state is also abbreviated OSU right? So does Oregon State. Also did you know that USC can mean either University of South Carolina or University of Southern California?
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Nov 29, 2016 01:09
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Basically the system is always going to be a little hosed up and subject to controversy for as long as the playoffs take OOC games into account and conference division titles don't.
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Nov 29, 2016 01:10
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LeeMajors posted:Why have conferences then? Or games? We can go full Meat Market and declare a champion beauty-pageant style. It'll be really great. Yes, because there is no justification for OSU. People keep bringing up OSU and TCU. Different situation. Both teams had 1 loss. Both teams were conference champions - kinda. The committee considered them similar and the conference championship game pushed it in favor of OSU. Not to mention these criteria, e.g. Conference championship, etc are used to distinguish between similar teams. And per Heather Dinich for whatever her name is, a committee member said last week that the committee does not consider OSU and PSU to be similar or close. And that was before OSU beat Michigan. If you want to consider these criteria, PSU has a head to head win, but two losses while OSU has 1. OSU has a much stronger resume, going 3-1 vs the top ten, with two of those wins on the road, and another win on top of that vs a top 25 team. I have no doubt the game control metrics also favor OSU. There is no hand waving or beauty contest here. If OSU gets in over PSU there's justification for it. Just as there would be if PSU gets in.
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Nov 29, 2016 01:13
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swickles posted:So does Oregon State. Also did you know that USC can mean either University of South Carolina or University of Southern California? I stand by my assertion that South Carolina should use SCAR because it's badass, like the protagonist of Final Fantasy VIII
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Nov 29, 2016 01:15
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swickles posted:So does Oregon State. Also did you know that USC can mean either University of South Carolina or University of Southern California? you are a very wise man
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Nov 29, 2016 01:15
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lol that the playoff committee tried to come up with a bullshit excuse for a team getting all whupped up by a 10-win northwestern team with a really good defense and a quarterback no one had figured out completely sucked yet
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Nov 29, 2016 01:15
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Ohio State is a top 4 team this year and thus should make the playoffs *exasperated sigh* look dude, how are you going to be the best team in the country if you can't win your conference. this isn't rocket science. futhermore,
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R.D. Mangles posted:lol that the playoff committee tried to come up with a bullshit excuse for a team getting all whupped up by a 10-win northwestern team with a really good defense and a quarterback no one had figured out completely sucked yet 
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Nov 29, 2016 01:18
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Ohio State should get in because Penn State really ruined that weekend for them, and nobody wants that to follow them around.
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Thoguh posted:Ohio State should get in because Penn State really ruined that weekend for them, and nobody wants that to follow them around. JoePa wouldn't have ruined Urbz's Saturday, that's for sure.
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Nov 29, 2016 01:24
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You are all forgetting the most important data point: gently caress ohio state
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Nov 29, 2016 01:24
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Scionix posted:*exasperated sigh* So you don't claim the 2012 title, right?
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Scionix posted:*exasperated sigh* Dunno but it seems to happen in every other sports league all the time.
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Nov 29, 2016 01:29
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swickles posted:So you don't claim the 2012 title, right? He's making fun of my argument by repeating its correctness.
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swickles posted:When you extend that out only a single step further you come back to the old system where you just pick who you think is the best team after the Bowl games. Stick in the mud Big 10 fan who only wants to go to the Rose Bowl has backwards opinions about college football, news at 11.
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Look, the simple fact is that the Browns are so bad that some of that has to leak over to Ohio State, like a pox.
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Nov 29, 2016 01:32
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General Dog posted:Take the best four conference champions. Let the conferences reassess how they crown their champion if they're getting sub optimal outcomes. OK but that also leads to suboptimal outcomes for us, the watching public which is not cool I feel like almost everyone can agree a foursome of Alabama, Ohio State, Washington, and Clemson would be the most fun and exciting playoff combo
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Yes. Yeah but I also don't think the Big ten is very good overall.
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Sash! posted:You are all forgetting the most important data point: gently caress ohio state Really? More than Penn State? :|
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LeeMajors posted:He's making fun of my argument by repeating its correctness. Except your argument completely discounts the entire season for a championship game that is for the most part meaningless, especially if half the conference is garbage and the other half is stacked. As much as I hate Ohio State, they are better than whomever wins the Big Ten. If Florida magically beats Alabama on Saturday, Florida's garbage rear end doesn't just leap into the playoffs because they had one good game. Alabama still goes to the playoffs because they are still a better team.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Except your argument completely discounts the entire season for a championship game that is for the most part meaningless, especially if half the conference is garbage and the other half is stacked. I'm not suggesting UF gets in the insanely impossible where their broken asses beat Bama. But maybe another one loss conference champ deserves to get in over Bama at that point. Besides, if UFs garbage team beats Bama they almost certainly don't deserve to be in the playoff. Jesus.
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Fluffdaddy posted:Except your argument completely discounts the entire season for a championship game that is for the most part meaningless, especially if half the conference is garbage and the other half is stacked. If only there were some way to ensure that conference championship games weren't meaningless. Some possible way.
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Adun posted:OK but that also leads to suboptimal outcomes for us, the watching public which is not cool send Oklahoma instead of Ohio state. also this wouldn't be an issue if the NCAA had banned Penn state from all athletics like they should have
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Just think how much fun we could be having here if the BCS still existed and Washington, Clemson, and Penn State all win this weekend. Edit- I was going to say Florida as well, but that's just taking things too far.
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