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So I kind of wanted to do a more complete eval of the playoff chances between PSU and OSU than just guessing. So I checked the committee's doc on it here.Playoff Committee posted:When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable, then the following criteria must This is where it gets tricky. Would the committee consider PSU to look similar to OSU with a B1G champ game win? If just considering records against bowl-eligible teams, then no. PSU would have 7 wins over bowl-eligible teams and OSU would have 8. (I didn't double check these, but I think this is right math.) Let's assume that they do, then the criteria above would be used. I think this is where it turns into a complete mess for the committee because everything cancels out. PSU Conf. Champ +1 Head-to-Head +1 OSU Common Opp UM +1 SOS (2) +1 Going back to records being the ultimate comparison, I would guess the committee gives it to OSU over PSU due to final W/L record based on opponent quality.
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If Penn State had the same record as Ohio State I would understand completely them jumping up. It boggles my mind how college football fans can prioritize conference record over overall record. It's certainly not the norm in sports so I don't know if most of you just don't watch other sports leagues.
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Psu winning against wisco and getting snubbed by osu would cause a lot of problems in central pa.
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euphronius posted:Psu winning against wisco and getting snubbed by osu would cause a lot of problems in central pa. it'd ruin a lot of weekends, you mean?
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Are you guys still hung up on that Sandusky thing? Well I guess that's fair. It was pretty bad.
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Nov 29, 2016 20:28
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People are hung up on the sandusky thing both because it was a sickening crime and because the PSU fanbase is still such a loving cult for Paterno that they still refuse to believe he did any wrong.
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Nov 29, 2016 20:32
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Regnevelc posted:Same difference, tbh. WHAT THE gently caress
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Rad Valtar posted:If Penn State had the same record as Ohio State I would understand completely them jumping up. It boggles my mind how college football fans can prioritize conference record over overall record. It's certainly not the norm in sports so I don't know if most of you just don't watch other sports leagues. If they had the same number of losses with one more win over a bowl-eligible team, then I bet the committee puts them over OSU. Not this time.
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DJExile posted:People are hung up on the sandusky thing both because it was a sickening crime and because the PSU fanbase is still such a loving cult for Paterno that they still refuse to believe he did any wrong. they literally had a Joe Paterno appreciation day this season
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Nov 29, 2016 20:39
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R.D. Mangles posted:WHAT THE gently caress YESSSSSSSSSS
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MourningView posted:they literally had a Joe Paterno appreciation day this season oh god i almost forgot about that it's like they're in a constant battle with baylor to see who can be more tone-deaf
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Nov 29, 2016 20:41
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DJExile posted:oh god i almost forgot about that Penn State has a 20 year head start.
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Regnevelc posted:Penn State has a 20 year head start. What's the tone of rhythmic slapping
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Nov 29, 2016 20:43
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god drat i really teed that up
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Nov 29, 2016 20:45
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Like a fuckin' metronome
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Thoguh posted:That's a reminder that getting to play games against Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, and Michigan State probably did a lot to help those other three teams look pretty awesome. The only Big Ten wins that those four teams had other than between themselves were Indiana and Maryland over Purdue. Proof of the lovely team rule. Big XII needs to add 2 cupcakes to get their perception back.
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Regnevelc posted:good
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Nov 29, 2016 21:01
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My take away is that Pitt is the best team in Pennsylvania.
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Nov 29, 2016 21:13
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Rad Valtar posted:If Penn State had the same record as Ohio State I would understand completely them jumping up. It boggles my mind how college football fans can prioritize conference record over overall record. It's certainly not the norm in sports so I don't know if most of you just don't watch other sports leagues. Most people are fans of teams where a conference championship is the only realistic goal in a given year. Non-conference games might as well be pre-season. It's pretty silly when talking about the playoffs, but I doubt the committee will be overlooking Penn State's "other" loss and they're the only people whose opinions matter.
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PrinceRandom posted:My take away is that Pitt is the best team in Pennsylvania. They're tied with Ohio State in top 10 wins so yes.
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Nov 29, 2016 21:16
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Alabama Western Michigan Pitt Ohio State
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PrinceRandom posted:My take away is that Pitt is the best team in Pennsylvania. Somebody forgettin' about the Owls!
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Nov 29, 2016 21:22
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The students at psu are jerks . And dumb. And from New Jersey.
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The Nards Pan posted:Somebody forgettin' about the Owls! Lost to Penn State
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Justin Fuente wins ACC Coach of the Year.
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downout posted:So I kind of wanted to do a more complete eval of the playoff chances between PSU and OSU than just guessing. So I checked the committee's doc on it here. I think OSU is definitely in, the question is whether their decision to put OSU in is going to impact their thoughts on putting the 2-loss Big Ten champ in. So for example is PSU going to be evaluated vs. Washington straight up, or are they going to play games as far as deciding whether PSU needs to be in because they let OSU in, or maybe PSU needs to be out because they already have a Big Ten team in.
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Playoff Committee posted: When circumstances at the margins indicate that teams are comparable..... The thing is, a committee member was quoted last week saying that the committee did not think Ohio State and Penn State are comparable and that the gap was significant...and that was before Ohio State beat Michigan.
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Lasagna Pilot posted:I think OSU is definitely in, the question is whether their decision to put OSU in is going to impact their thoughts on putting the 2-loss Big Ten champ in. So for example is PSU going to be evaluated vs. Washington straight up, or are they going to play games as far as deciding whether PSU needs to be in because they let OSU in, or maybe PSU needs to be out because they already have a Big Ten team in. I think we'll know a lot more after tonight since there are only a handful of games next weekend so we'll be able to see things like where they slot FSU (which would give a top ten win to Clemson), where Clemson and Washington are compared to Michigan, and stuff like that.
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Nov 29, 2016 22:19
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the big ten is composed of a bunch of pathetic bad offenses so in the interest of fun don't let any of those teams into the playoffs
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Abe Froman posted:Playoff Committee posted: Which just demonstrates how messed up everything is. The committee set up a self fulfilling prophecy by not moving Michigan down after losing to Iowa or not knocking Ohio State more for losing to Penn State or any of a myriad of other things. It's preposterous that the solution to people disliking a subjective ranking system that relies heavily on preseason rankings and voodoo chicken gut examinations ended up being replaced by the.... Exact same thing?
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mastershakeman posted:the big ten is composed of a bunch of pathetic bad offenses so in the interest of fun don't let any of those teams into the playoffs this guy gets it
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mastershakeman posted:the big ten is composed of a bunch of pathetic bad offenses so in the interest of fun don't let any of those teams into the playoffs If "oh look it's Bama and Ohio State again" is your idea of fun, redefine your idea of fun.
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mastershakeman posted:the big ten is composed of a bunch of pathetic bad offenses so in the interest of fun don't let any of those teams into the playoffs I think PSU has a modern offense now, haven't watched them a ton though.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Alabama rules It doesn't seem like that long ago when Mike Shula was mucking things up down there is Tuscaloosa. Back when I hoped Florida would have a twenty year legacy of success with Meyer.
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I've got the best solution dump the playoff, go back to the old bowl system
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Piggly Wiggly Playoff Champs.
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Rad Valtar posted:If Penn State had the same record as Ohio State I would understand completely them jumping up. It boggles my mind how college football fans can prioritize conference record over overall record. It's certainly not the norm in sports so I don't know if most of you just don't watch other sports leagues. The best argument I can make is that the Playoff should have the best teams Right Now and that a conference loss in late October carries more weight than a loss in September when you're still figuring things out.
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