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https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/804141668547051520 Whoa, turns out September callups are still a thing after all. Great news IMO, they give fans of losing teams something to get excited about late in the season. The extra roster spot would've been nice but not worth the tradeoff. efb i guess
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ESPN posted:New 5-year labor agreement is in place now 26 consecutive years of labor peace. Big win for clubs is year 5 luxury tax threshold will max out at $210 million. No 26-man roster. International signings will have cap of 6m per team. Teams will not forfeit first round picks for signing free agents. More to come
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/804021763558567936 Everything Boras said about the Pirates being a cheapskate organization is true.
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Rand alPaul posted:Everything Boras said about the Pirates being a cheapskate organization is true. Back when I was in high school, like 1997-98ish, I thought Boras was one step down from Satan. Nowadays, I fear for where the MLBPA would be today without the work of him and Don Fehr.
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Timby posted:Rosenthal said that an idea floated a few hours ago was a spending cap on international amateurs (meaning pro leagues like Japan would be excluded), which seems like something the Steinbrenners would be giddy over. Why would this make Hal happy? The Yankees spent $17m in signing bonuses in 2014-15. Hand Row posted:What does that mean luxury tax maxes out at 210? It goes up every year(?) until it hits 210 at which point I guess it will be re-negotiated? EDIT: Yup https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/804143020241207297 Also the new highest tax rates are like 60-70% instead of 50%. Inspector_666 fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I think it has more to do with them not wanting to pay a declining player when his contract expires and their window having closed, but ya ok. To be fair the Pirates did just kinda give up last year. Even ~mid way through the season when they were in contention they ended up trading away dudes. Their window does appear to have closed but it sorta seems self inflicted this early.
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Hand Row posted:What does that mean luxury tax maxes out at 210? Drastically slows the growth of the luxury tax threshold, meaning that in the final year of the deal, any club with a payroll over $210 million would be paying the tax. Sounds like something the Steinbrenners, Rickettses, Dodgers ownership, probably Henry's group and maybe a few other big spenders that might have a window closing five years from now (and therefore might sign absurd contracts in the next year or two) would fight for.
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Timby posted:Drastically slows the growth of the luxury tax threshold, meaning that in the final year of the deal, any club with a payroll over $210 million would be paying the tax. Again I'm confused by your logic of why the big-spending teams would want the tax threshold lower.
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Popete posted:To be fair the Pirates did just kinda give up last year. Even ~mid way through the season when they were in contention they ended up trading away dudes. Their window does appear to have closed but it sorta seems self inflicted this early. I think its more that they have a bunch of guys that hit their prime in two years and realized they were hosed for this past season and next unless everything went exactly right.
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The Pussy Boss posted:https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/804141668547051520 They really need to have some kind of limit on usage of expanded roster players, though. It's really dumb that the last month of the season is essentially a completely different ruleset than the the rest of it. Also watching a million pitching changes sucks.
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It's encouraging that the talks didn't drag on for very long. It's almost like both sides still remember the lessons from 1994.
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sportsgenius86 posted:No they don't give an iota of poo poo about that. It's money plain and simple. If I was a multibillonaire owner I would run the Pirates like they were originally run, by being Piratical drat it!!  That or if I was the mayor I would try to prevent the team from playing at home until Bob Nutting would be forced to step down and allow say Mark Cuban to buy the team. I would probably be thrown in jail, but that would mainly be because I would also be trying to destroy the FOP.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:It's encouraging that the talks didn't drag on for very long. It's almost like both sides still remember the lessons from 1994.
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bawfuls posted:Or both sides are making money hand over fist these days and realize it's dumb to rock the boat. Maybe that's the same thing. Yeah, it's the same thing. Although I'm pretty sure the players weren't hurting for money back in '94, either.
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bad boy in the boy band posted:Yeah, it's the same thing. Do you even remember what the reason for the strike was?
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I think its more that they have a bunch of guys that hit their prime in two years and realized they were hosed for this past season and next unless everything went exactly right. You're somewhat correct. It comes down to the fact that you're almost never going to have a large window if you aren't willing to invest during that window to keep it alive. They have zero interest in infusing more money into the team to make the window longer. Ownership is content with a brief window in order to keep their payroll low. They could very easily contend still with a some investment but they don't want to. Because they don't want to do that this year or next, they look at large deals and try to get rid of them because if they're not going to contend, they may as well spend less money to not contend. The primary purpose of the cutch talks is to not have to pay his salary. If they can get good return, they obviously will, but if they can only get a return that is meh and still offload that salary, they will because Pirates. Truther Vandross fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Dec 1, 2016 |
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Harlock posted:The new QO system is horrible I keep seeing more and more conditions being added to it... But all of this is ignoring the really important part: https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/804169455051874304
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Inspector_666 posted:I keep seeing more and more conditions being added to it... Last remaining player eligible to chew will receive a farewell tour from Skoal.
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Rand alPaul posted:Last remaining player eligible to chew will receive a farewell tour from Skoal. maybe addison russell as he is a literal baby
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I guess it's better that the QO tagged player or whatever you want to call them will only cost a team a 3rd rounder (or 2nd and 5th if it is a luxury tax team), but that whole system is dumb. I get that it's to try and keep players from leaving as easily but it really hasn't done anything to prevent that. It worked slightly better in the NBA where a player's previous team can offer one additional guaranteed year beyond what the others can, but still not that great
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Damnit, I know it's gross and totally out of date. But I really liked that players were still allowed to chew. Its such a weird antiquated thing that would never happen in any other major sport. Nothing like seeing some dude with a massive mullet and a giant wad in his mouth catching a line drive to make you feel patriotic.
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That went out of style after Brett Butler got mouth cancer from it, if I recall Keith Law is saying that the hard cap for international signings is worse than the international draft. I assume this is the major concession the union made (which doesn't technically affect them anyway as those players would likely not be MLBPA members for awhile).
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Inspector_666 posted:I keep seeing more and more conditions being added to it... good
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IcePhoenix posted:good Who even put it on the table though? It seems like a weird thing to really need to codify.
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Poque posted:maybe addison russell as he is a literal baby Yesterday I found out he had a kid last year at the age of 21. That made me feel weird.
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Inspector_666 posted:Who even put it on the table though? It seems like a weird thing to really need to codify. Oh trust me, there's a lot of strange stuff in the CBA.
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Inspector_666 posted:Who even put it on the table though? It seems like a weird thing to really need to codify. It's been a rule in the minors for quite some time, but also seems like something that would be a pain in the rear end to enforce so maybe it's just going to be a "not on the field and not on TV" thing for PR purposes. Why fight it anyway? Would you want to be the guy asked on national TV why you were holding up a deal and risking a lockout (that would never happen in a million years) for a wad of chaw? There was a minor kerfuffle in spring training since the city of Chicago banned it's use in stadiums for this year but a couple weeks into the season Russell was right back there with a
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GoatSeeGuy posted:It's been a rule in the minors for quite some time, but also seems like something that would be a pain in the rear end to enforce so maybe it's just going to be a "not on the field and not on TV" thing for PR purposes. Why fight it anyway? Would you want to be the guy asked on national TV why you were holding up a deal and risking a lockout (that would never happen in a million years) for a wad of chaw? I understand why it wasn't a sticking point, I'm just wondering if the MLBPA or owners were the ones who laid it out to begin with. I assume it was the owners and it's due to pressure from the TV stations?
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Popete posted:Damnit, I know it's gross and totally out of date. But I really liked that players were still allowed to chew. Its such a weird antiquated thing that would never happen in any other major sport. I support a players right to chew just as I'd support a fatso DH the right to mainline cheeseburgers after that game. Yes, you are a poor example for the kids and its terrible for you, but goddammmit this is America. Whats next we tell players they cant bareback hookers and do coke?
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patonthebach posted:I support a players right to chew just as I'd support a fatso DH the right to mainline cheeseburgers after that game. Yes, you are a poor example for the kids and its terrible for you, but goddammmit this is America. Whats next we tell players they cant bareback hookers and do coke? One of the most vivid memories of my adolescence was watching a washed up Steve Balboni boarding the bus from Des Moines to Omaha (2 hour drive tops?) on getaway night with a sanitary sock full of beers over his shoulder, a bucket of KFC in his other arm, and a clubhouse attendant following with another full bag of various groceries. God Bless America. I also remember batboys regularly carrying loads of tobacco from the clubhouse to the Iowa Cubs dugout, which I found weird since every player seemed to already have either a can of copenhagen or pouch of Levi Garrett in their pocket, and a very deep conversation involving former Expos pitcher Bob Sebra and another pitcher on why he could never dip while he was actually on the mound. IIRC it was because it messed with his balance. Inspector_666 posted:I assume it was the owners and it's due to pressure from the TV stations? Breaking news from 2021! MLB has banned any and all crotch related activities between the hours of 7-10PM and during all postseason games.
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This article is really cool.
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I guess there are rumors that the Astros and EE have a deal in place? I will call this a successful offseason if so
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