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CarlCX posted:I would agree that by the standards of MMA reffing the deduction was weird, but would also say the problem is deductions don't happen more often, rather than that deduction being bad. There's absolutely no way he didn't objectively win round 1 though. He also won round 2 but one can actually comprehend a bad judge or two completely blowing that call TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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Memento posted:Just got finished watching the fights from last night. Method Man and Meth Man were robbed of the FotN bonus, and what the gently caress was up with that fence stoppage? That's an NC every day of the week, right? The fence stoppage was nuts. Marc Ratner saying there's nothing in the rules to allow any other result than a tko when not 2 days before I saw a UFC fight on YouTube where the guy got his leg stuck in the fence. The ref intervened and stood the fight up and it continued. Not 100% sure who it was but I think it might have been Julio Paulino? I can't find the clip and don't have fight pass to check.
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Protect yourself at all times, obey my instructions at all times and for fucks sake dont put your toes in the fence. touch gloves lets do this
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TheRationalRedditor posted:I agree with this in principle, and am in favor of seeing eyepoke penalties be much more aggressively doled out. However when something like a "2 strikes non-malicious nut kicks" deduction happens suddenly on such a prominent stage without some kind of rules mandate update it's like going 0 to 60 without warning, even if it's a change for better safety. also it sucks if it's against a fighter with good kicks because then they'll become gunshy and their gameplan is forced to change lest their opponent try to game them. the first round was awesome and then cejudo was forced to step back the impressive pressure, making the fight suddenly less cool. The MMA ref has a problem similar to a baseball umpire when a player is being a jackass. They either run the player or they don't, there's not a lesser penalty an umpire can go to. Similarly, there's no in-between on a 2nd warning or taking the point, other than maybe acting angry and yelling at the fighter.
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I fully support taking a point on a second foul after a warning was given for the first.
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Easiest solution for eyepokes and ball kicks, intentional or not would be a point deduction for every infraction. Might hamper those people who's entire game hinges on a load of inside leg kicks and/or gaguing distance with their outstretched palms but gently caress em. The rate of these things happening would instantly go down and we will discover the true root of the problem, lack of discipline or exploitation of poorly enforced rules.
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Lately I've noticed more instances of fighters calling their own time-out for groin strikes and (especially) eye pokes, and the ref just going along with it. In a lot of cases the replay shows little or no contact, and no indication that the ref was going to call a time out before the fighter pressed the issue. If there were a mandatory point deduction for every illegal strike, we'd see fighters go down grabbing their nutsacks after every inside leg kick.
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WhiteHowler posted:Lately I've noticed more instances of fighters calling their own time-out for groin strikes and (especially) eye pokes, and the ref just going along with it. In a lot of cases the replay shows little or no contact, and no indication that the ref was going to call a time out before the fighter pressed the issue. Firstly, it is extremely rare that no 'significant' contact was made and secondly, in the event that the replay does show that the ref sees it instantly and restarts the fight. Then you probably have to explain to your boss, the 'be a loving fighter' guy, why you're a bitch.
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mistakinder posted:Easiest solution for eyepokes, intentional or not would be a point deduction for every infraction Jon Jones is never winning another fight
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Chris James 2 posted:Jon Jones is never winning another fight The way he is going lately, you could change that to every eyepoke you successfully land deducts a point from your opponent and this would still be true.
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The way that the rules are changing in January, this should become the new norm for eye pokes. As it will then be a foul to extend the fingers towards the face - i.e. to threaten an eye poke - the ref can warn for that and will have more latitude to deduct the first time that a finger ends up in the eye.
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"So Daniel Cormier is saying before the fight that I'll end up poking him in the eyes at some point and the reason why he says that is because I do poke people in the eyes. It's very illegal but I do it." https://streamable.com/zv6p
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Remember when that guy showed up in the fake neck brace and got severely fired
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I think about Pedro Nobre all the time
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Wasn't his toe pretty well broken there? How well could he have continued anyway?
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DJ finally getting that cash. https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/805827871411302400 Here are all the disclosed payouts, nice to see Tim Elliott earned a 100k payday as well. http://mmajunkie.com/2016/12/tuf-24-finale-salaries-title-challenger-tim-elliott-gets-100000-disclosed-payout Le Saboteur fucked around with this message at 18:43 on Dec 5, 2016 |
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WhiteHowler posted:Lately I've noticed more instances of fighters calling their own time-out for groin strikes and (especially) eye pokes, and the ref just going along with it. In a lot of cases the replay shows little or no contact, and no indication that the ref was going to call a time out before the fighter pressed the issue. James Irvin went down holding his eye, and the ref stopped the fight. Replay showed Alessio Sakara landing a perfectly legal punch that landed on Irvin's eye. James Irvin lost the fight by TKO. Any fighter that causes a stoppage due to a legal strike should also lose by TKO.
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If you beg off and your opponent decides to respect it, that's fine to me. I mean except if you want Robbie lawler to retroactively get a tko loss for mid match posedowns & a bunch of TKO (adjusting sportsbra).
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Le Saboteur posted:DJ finally getting that cash. https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/805827871411302400 mmajunkie really needs to stop embedding videos on literally every article. LobsterMobster posted:James Irvin went down holding his eye, and the ref stopped the fight. This post made me check what James Irvin has been doing. It turns out that he's not dead!
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Remember when Bisping was complaining to the ref about his mouthguard and Anderson knocked him out with a knee to the head? That was cool
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mewse posted:Remember when Bisping was complaining to the ref about his mouthguard and Anderson knocked him out with a knee to the head? That was cool See this is why I'm fine with guys trying to call their own time outs, it's completely at your own risk.
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mewse posted:Remember when Bisping was complaining to the ref about his mouthguard and Anderson knocked him out with a knee to the head? That was cool Bisping wasn't knocked out in any sense of the word or stretch of the imagination. Anderson doesn't get to call his own fights. Like, if you're calling that a knock out, you'd be stopping Conor Alvarez on the first knockdown (which was a real nasty knockdown) and Woodley Wonderboy too yet no one complained about those fights carrying on, which was rightly so.
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If he had knocked him out then he shouldn't have had any issue finishing him at the start of round four but chose to dance instead.
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Gray Maynard flipped his poo poo on twitter about the Ryan Hall fight and it was pretty funny.
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I also love every time mark hunt lands a good punch and pre-emptively starts his walk off while the guy immediantly stands back up.
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Le Saboteur posted:Gray Maynard flipped his poo poo on twitter about the Ryan Hall fight and it was pretty funny. https://twitter.com/GrayMaynard/status/805603400029044738
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I thought that Ryan Hall was great. He really punked Gray Maynard.
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The Bully
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I.N.R.I posted:Im on maynards side Is that the side of getting kicked in the head 27 times in 15 minutes and doing nothing about it?
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If Maynard wanted to win he should've not gotten kicked in the face so much.
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When Ryan Hall just dropped to the ground and sat there in response to Maynard getting close, he was avoiding the fight and "fleeing". When he dropped to the ground close enough to get a hold of Maynard's leg and spin into attempts at sweeps and leglocks, he wasn't. When Hall got ahold of Maynard's leg and Maynard literally turned and ran away to get out, he was avoiding the fight and "fleeing". When Hall was sitting on the ground and Maynard backed up and motioned him up, he wasn't. Both guys spent some time fleeing the other guy, and both guys spent some time trying to create offense. And during the times when both guys were being offensive, most of the fight was Gray Maynard getting kicked in the face - so the onus was on him to spend less time fleeing if he wanted to win the fight, imo
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fatherdog posted:When Ryan Hall just dropped to the ground and sat there in response to Maynard getting close, he was avoiding the fight and "fleeing". When he dropped to the ground close enough to get a hold of Maynard's leg and spin into attempts at sweeps and leglocks, he wasn't. Do you think points should've been deducted for timidity at any point?
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UFC posted Matt Brown vs Erick Silva: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i72RS_aR4Lk
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Sprecherscrow posted:Do you think points should've been deducted for timidity at any point? Not really, no. Neither of them were ever fleeing for more than a few seconds, or ever refused a referee command to engage, and neither of them "fled" multiple times in a row without engaging in attempts at offense in between them, to my recollection.
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Hall won by simply having the cojones to go inverted several times
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fatherdog posted:When Ryan Hall just dropped to the ground and sat there in response to Maynard getting close, he was avoiding the fight and "fleeing". When he dropped to the ground close enough to get a hold of Maynard's leg and spin into attempts at sweeps and leglocks, he wasn't. Maynard also pretty blatantly kicked Hall in the face while they were both on the ground and escaped when Hall complained to the ref. Had Hall not complained, Maynard might not have escaped, but the kick was pretty blatant.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Maynard also pretty blatantly kicked Hall in the face while they were both on the ground and escaped when Hall complained to the ref. Had Hall not complained, Maynard might not have escaped, but the kick was pretty blatant. I think Hall got an illegal upkick or two in as well and the ref didn't call any of 'em, so eh. Turning to complain to the ref instead of continuing to fight when the action hasn't been called is a habit Hall's going to have to break, though.
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I think Hall wins because being terrified of getting punched in the face is not nearly as funny as being terrified of a guy grabbing at your ankles from his butt.
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Also regarding that match - fatherdog posted:3:50 in the round - Anik tells us Hall's camp really thinks he's become a dangerous striker
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