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Yea that article echoes my thoughts on the mishap too: a skilled crew given a bad jet in good conditions at the right location to make a save. Now I won't say that I expect any crew to pull off what Sully and his co did; that would be a stretch and disservice to Sully's golden loving hands.
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Pretty humble guy too, from everything I've heard. He doesn't sound like he thinks he's particularly special. He has a quote in an interview that goes something like "I made small, regular deposits of training and experience in the account over 40 years, and the balance happened to be high enough that I could make a very large withdrawal when I needed to".
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The movie also spent all day trying to make the FAA and the NTSB look like bad guys, which is pretty sad.
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Great Enoch posted:People absolutely love to bring all sorts of crypto-racist "cultural factors" poo poo up whenever an asian airline has an accident, but I always find it funny when you point out that the pilot who caused this accident was also French. I'm not discounting people bringing up crypto-racist bullshit up for the sake of being crypto-racist, but crew resource management (code for crypto-racism) and cultural factors are absolutely a factor in many historically significant airline crashes. But you don't have to take my word for it, just ask Captain Sum Ting Wong.
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CommieGIR posted:The movie also spent all day trying to make the FAA and the NTSB look like bad guys, which is pretty sad. Yeah that was needlessly cringey.
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That element felt like a creative decision to lend the movie some amount of conflict. The ending was just poo poo. Like oh hey you're a great pilot. We never doubted you really. Thanks for saving 155 people. Ok bye.
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Godholio posted:It seems like they could install a blinking red light or something to indicate Alternate Law. Yeah but they'll just ignore it like all the other error messages and blinking lights and warning sounds because alarm fatigue. Maybe if they had some kind of unique feedback that indicates when you're in Alternate Law and are about to stall? Like a thing that... shakes the stick... maybe...
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holocaust bloopers posted:Yea that article echoes my thoughts on the mishap too: a skilled crew given a bad jet in good conditions at the right location to make a save. Now I won't say that I expect any crew to pull off what Sully and his co did; that would be a stretch and disservice to Sully's golden loving hands. On a phone by I think it was only 80% of the crews in the NTSB simulator hit the water softer than Sully did. Impressive that he beat 20% of pilots that woke up some morning knowing that they were going to ditch in an a320 sim.
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I think it was much worse than that on the sim (as in most pilots, fully knowing what they were getting into, ended up doing worse than he did). He also deployed the airstream power generator early, and out of sequence which ended up buying him a whole lot of leeway. evil_bunnY fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Dec 6, 2016 |
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Apropos of nothing, check out this sweet new mousepad I got featuring a mid-century advertising illustration of the most beautiful aeroplane ever built.
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evil_bunnY posted:I think it was much worse than that on the sim (as in most pilots, fully knowing what they were getting into, ended up doing worse than he did). Even better, it was the APU that he ordered turned on out of sequence.
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joat mon posted:Even better, it was the APU that he ordered turned on out of sequence.
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Yea that was a baller call on his part.
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Apropos of nothing, check out this sweet new mousepad I got featuring a mid-century advertising illustration of the most beautiful aeroplane ever built. Posting Connie swag in the Connie Thread   
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Hey those would look great inside a dumpster.
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hogmartin posted:Pretty humble guy too, from everything I've heard. He doesn't sound like he thinks he's particularly special. He has a quote in an interview that goes something like "I made small, regular deposits of training and experience in the account over 40 years, and the balance happened to be high enough that I could make a very large withdrawal when I needed to". holocaust bloopers posted:Hey those would look great inside a dumpster. SORRY, YOUR GOOD OPINION ACCOUNT IS OVERDRAWN
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Platystemon posted:Posting Connie swag in the Connie Thread I've been looking for a new shower curtain...
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joat mon posted:Even better, it was the APU that he ordered turned on out of sequence. Why did turning on the APU early help? I failed to find a good explanation of it elsewhere.
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PittTheElder posted:Why did turning on the APU early help? I failed to find a good explanation of it elsewhere. The regular procedure calls for turning it on after failed attempts at restarting the engines; at the altitude he was he didn't have the time for that because the procedure is written for when the aircraft lose power at cruising altitude, rather than early on in the climb. Having the APU on meant he kept power so the airplane remained in normal law until the end.
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From the NTSB recommendations:quote:Develop and validate comprehensive guidelines for emergency and abnormal checklist design and development. The guidelines should consider the order of critical items in the checklist (for example, starting the auxiliary power unit), the use of opt outs or gates to minimize the risk of flight crewmembers becoming stuck in an inappropriate checklist or portion of a checklist, the length of the checklist, the level of detail in the checklist, the time needed to complete the checklist, and the mental workload of the flight crew. (A-10-68)
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holocaust bloopers posted:Hey those would look great inside a dumpster. i have more youtubes for you 
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hobbesmaster posted:On a phone by I think it was only 80% of the crews in the NTSB simulator hit the water softer than Sully did. From the article: quote:in a flight simulator in daylight conditions, the touchdown flight condition targets were only achieved once out of 12 attempts, even by pilots who were aware of the importance of maintaining sufficient airspeed, were fully expecting the dual-engine failure to occur, and knew that their failure to accomplish the maneuver would not be life-threatening.  ; basically
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Eej posted:Maybe if they had some kind of unique feedback that indicates when you're in Alternate Law and are about to stall? Like a thing that... shakes the stick... maybe... Two problems with that. The stall warning would go off even if you were in Normal law and weren't actually about to stall. So it wasn't unique feedback. In one context, it means "You're going to kill everyone if you keep doing this." In another context, it means "Hey, in another context you'd be about to kill everyone but in this one you aren't." Other problem with the AF447 was that their AoA was so high that the stall warning system concluded it couldn't possibly be seeing valid airspeed data and so this couldn't really be a stall. Then when the pilot did ease off on the stick a bit, the nose fell, the AoA fell into a reasonable range, so the stall warning system concluded it was now seeing valid, and too low, airspeed data and started going off again. So the stall warning system was actually encouraging the pilot to pull back on the stick, because that was shutting off the alarm.
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meltie posted:From the article: You misunderstood - 11 of 12 pilots performed as well as Sully. An Airbus test pilot landed it like there's a secret A320 seaplane program.
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Phanatic posted:Two problems with that. Hmm, so I guess i'm not made out for a cushy job as an Airbus engineer after all!
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Apropos of nothing, check out this sweet new mousepad I got featuring a mid-century advertising illustration of the most beautiful aeroplane ever built.  Where d'you get one of these beauties?
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CommieGIR posted:The movie also spent all day trying to make the FAA and the NTSB look like bad guys, which is pretty sad. It's Clint Eastwood; what do you expect. 
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Previa_fun posted:It's Clint Eastwood; what do you expect. "Big Gubbermint tryin' to keep the American working man down."
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Murgos posted:What does Sully do these days? He shills for ALPA in their attempts to FYGM an entire generation of pilots. So gently caress him basically.
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hobbesmaster posted:You misunderstood - 11 of 12 pilots performed as well as Sully. An Airbus test pilot landed it like there's a secret A320 seaplane program. You're probably right - here's the quote from the report: In 11 of the 12 runs [ditching on the Hudson River starting from 1,500 feet above the river at an airspeed of 200 kts.], the touchdown flightpath angle ranged between -1.5° and -3.6° (the touchdown flightpath angle achieved on the accident flight was -3.4°). In 1 of these 12 runs, a -0.2° touchdown flightpath angle was achieved by an Airbus test pilot who used a technique that involved approaching the water at a high speed, leveling the airplane a few feet above the water with the help of the radar altimeter, and then bleeding off airspeed in ground effect until the airplane settled into the water. http://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR1003.pdf
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holocaust bloopers posted:That element felt like a creative decision to lend the movie some amount of conflict. The ending was just poo poo. Like oh hey you're a great pilot. We never doubted you really. Thanks for saving 155 people. Ok bye. Yeah it's a spectacular story but there's no villain in it. I mean you could try to go for an Angry Birds tie-in and turn the geese into terrorists, but, well... The very idea of turning it into a movie is weird when you think about it. There was like five minutes of flight before it went splash in the river. Basically from take off to everybody being safe and sound on a ferry boat, you have a half hour, 2/3 consisting in putting people into boats. How do you do 96 minutes of movie action out of that? Previa_fun posted:It's Clint Eastwood; what do you expect. He should take flights on airlines that follow the libertarian ideals of ignoring gubmint regulations; like LaMia.
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Cat Mattress posted:He should take flights on airlines that follow the libertarian ideals of ignoring gubmint regulations; like LaMia. Air Koryo Cheap flights to Pyongyang! Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Dec 7, 2016 |
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CarForumPoster posted:Yea by reset you mean flip breakers cause "we saw a guy do it once on the ground" ...https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/circuit-board-solder-crack-cited-in-indonesia-airasi-419593/ Great Enoch posted:People absolutely love to bring all sorts of crypto-racist "cultural factors" poo poo up whenever an asian airline has an accident, but I always find it funny when you point out that the pilot who caused this accident was also French. What the gently caress is crypto racist? I didnt mention anything about culture. Thats a dumb choice and I described it as such.
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CarForumPoster posted:What the gently caress is crypto racist? I didnt mention anything about culture. Thats a dumb choice, regardless of other factors. It also pretends that "safety culture" and "workplace culture" aren't common phrases.
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hobbesmaster posted:It also pretends that "safety culture" and "workplace culture" aren't common phrases. Yea what a [racial epithet relevant to them] that internet poster is
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CroatianAlzheimers posted:Apropos of nothing, check out this sweet new mousepad I got featuring a mid-century advertising illustration of the most beautiful aeroplane ever built. wrong photo? it's not an a380
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