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Vivian Darkbloom posted:Which of Brandenburg or Teutonic Order is a more fun country for forming Prussia these days? I'm leaning towards TO because I have so little experience with theocracies. Does Rights of Man add anything interesting for them? I would say Brandenburg, You get better events and gets to expand inside the HRE without worrying about Austria, just Ally them and keep them happy. And as long as Poland and Austria don't rival each other, you can get both as Allies, so you hardly have to worry about getting attacked yourself, while you expand.
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About to unlock Imperialism in my WC attempt: I've still got a ton of land left but I think it's looking good. Guess now that I won't need claims I'm gonna have to focus on stealing maps, since I need to reveal America and all the islands. That's going to be a pain.
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Dec 10, 2016 12:55
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RabidWeasel posted:If you get bigger allies it actually makes the Ottomans leave you alone which means waiting decades to get enough favour to start a war, or you can do the whiny baby method of turning off Cossacks to make alliances into an I win button again. Can't you promise land (and then not give any)? Elman posted:About to unlock Imperialism in my WC attempt: Remember that it's much, much cheaper in terms of warscore to take colonial subjects' land while they're still subjects than if they're independent!
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Dec 10, 2016 17:03
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PleasingFungus posted:Can't you promise land (and then not give any)? In my experience for some insane reason nobody wants any Ottoman territory in spite of them being hated rivals.
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Dec 10, 2016 17:08
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PleasingFungus posted:Can't you promise land (and then not give any)? Yes but they'll hate your guts.
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Dec 10, 2016 18:27
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Also you'll get a -1000 modifier for calling in anyone else with a promise of land for a while.
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I've been messing around with Byzantium and have found that Ottomans will almost always declare on Albania early on despite Albania almost always getting allied by Hungary. So in a subsequent attempt I made friendly with Albania and then offered them an Alliance right after Ottomans war dec'd; then you get the call to arms and suddenly you have Albania and Hungary on your side. This seemed to be working really well, we had sieged down all of the Ottomans provinces on our side of the strait but then Hungary decided to gently caress off and go home all of a sudden instead of crossing the strait. They were still in the war and weren't in any other war, they just stopped engaging. I'm hoping to try again and make this work for maybe an early-game Byz core retrieval
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Playing as Ottomans, I grabbed a couple Iraqi cores from QQ and released Iraq as a vassal. A huge Iraqi Separatist rebellion proceeded to break out in QQ and Iraq has now regained most of its cores through defection, raising Liberty Desire to 100. It seems like Liberty Desire from defections decays super slowly. Is there anything I can do other than slap Iraq down if it rebels and slowly wait for it to lose all of this Liberty Desire?
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Dec 10, 2016 20:11
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Bold Robot posted:Playing as Ottomans, I grabbed a couple Iraqi cores from QQ and released Iraq as a vassal. A huge Iraqi Separatist rebellion proceeded to break out in QQ and Iraq has now regained most of its cores through defection, raising Liberty Desire to 100. It seems like Liberty Desire from defections decays super slowly. Is there anything I can do other than slap Iraq down if it rebels and slowly wait for it to lose all of this Liberty Desire? Release it from vassalage, annex then re-release as a vassal.
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Dec 10, 2016 20:15
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uPen posted:Release it from vassalage, annex then re-release as a vassal. Will releasing them as a vassal shed any AE or will I be stuck with whatever I get from the annexation? Not a huge deal if I get AE over in that part of the world, just curious.
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Dec 10, 2016 20:59
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I was playing an Ethiopia game last night, and I realized that there are way too many flavor events where you have a choice between some weak rear end bonus for a decade or two (usually at the cost of monarch points or something) and a stability boost. I think these really need to be rebalanced.
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Dec 10, 2016 21:09
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PleasingFungus posted:Remember that it's much, much cheaper in terms of warscore to take colonial subjects' land while they're still subjects than if they're independent! If I fail I think it'll be because I didn't do this (cause I didn't have vision of the colonies, and even now in 1700 I still don't for the most part). Most of them are already independent, since I beat up Spain and England (I wanted to full annex them and get their colonies eventually). I'll try to take Portugal's colonies, and if it comes to that I guess I can just trucebreak over and over since colonies don't require coring. It sucks that I'm gonna have to take Exploration in the 1700s, though. For now I'm gonna focus on finishing up Europe and Asia, then we'll see how much time there's left.
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Dec 10, 2016 21:23
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Elman posted:If I fail I think it'll be because I didn't do this (cause I didn't have vision of the colonies, and even now in 1700 I still don't for the most part). Most of them are already independent, since I beat up Spain and England (I wanted to full annex them and get their colonies eventually). I'll try to take Portugal's colonies, and if it comes to that I guess I can just trucebreak over and over since colonies don't require coring. It sucks that I'm gonna have to take Exploration in the 1700s, though. Hypothetically you could just steal maps over and over instead of taking Exploration Or you could find someone who is willing to share their maps with you
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Dec 10, 2016 21:29
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Another weird situation Playing Byzantium, I decided to satisfy the Mamluks' request for Condottieri. No capital access, so I asked for military access and dropped off a sizable army on their shores, and then the Condottieri offer was accepted. But Mamluks were at war with QQ, and I had no way of getting to QQ. Everyone in the region refuses to share maps with me, and my troops can't explore the terra incognita, so I had my guys kill off some rebels in Mamluks territory but this obviously wasn't enough to satisfy them so they wound up cancelling the contract a bit later
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Dec 10, 2016 21:53
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I started a Ternate game because I like playing in that area and it is just filthy. You make so much money from everything in SE Asia. Making +40 ducats/month while running 3 level 3 advisors in ~1670 is a new experience.
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Dec 10, 2016 21:59
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Is there a way to offer peaces to individual states, like how some states sometimes offer you reparations? I can see the "they are negotiating for their alliance" button, but no way to change it.
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Dec 11, 2016 01:36
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spectralent posted:Is there a way to offer peaces to individual states, like how some states sometimes offer you reparations? I can see the "they are negotiating for their alliance" button, but no way to change it. click their coat of arms on the right hand side of the peace deal screen
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Dec 11, 2016 01:38
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Anyone get this before? Just started happening to me today, and it's getting really annoying.
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awesmoe posted:click their coat of arms on the right hand side of the peace deal screen And now I own Rhodes and Venice!  Also I made every sorry bastard there pay me for the privilege of getting wrecked. In keeping with "stuff Paradox games keep teaching me" the concept of war for fun and profit has suddenly clicked.
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Dec 11, 2016 02:33
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Bold Robot posted:Playing as Ottomans, I grabbed a couple Iraqi cores from QQ and released Iraq as a vassal. A huge Iraqi Separatist rebellion proceeded to break out in QQ and Iraq has now regained most of its cores through defection, raising Liberty Desire to 100. It seems like Liberty Desire from defections decays super slowly. Is there anything I can do other than slap Iraq down if it rebels and slowly wait for it to lose all of this Liberty Desire? You can dump 20 prestige for -10% liberty desire in subject interactions. If you're expanding pretty fast it shouldn't be toooo bad to keep prestige up despite doing this as the Ottos
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Dec 11, 2016 02:56
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I had loads of prestige as the Ottos but I just constantly get the event where the clergy want money for stuff and I want to keep my faithlessness.
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Dec 11, 2016 03:03
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Bold Robot posted:Playing as Ottomans, I grabbed a couple Iraqi cores from QQ and released Iraq as a vassal. A huge Iraqi Separatist rebellion proceeded to break out in QQ and Iraq has now regained most of its cores through defection, raising Liberty Desire to 100. It seems like Liberty Desire from defections decays super slowly. Is there anything I can do other than slap Iraq down if it rebels and slowly wait for it to lose all of this Liberty Desire? Very similar thing happened to me, but with Persia. Persia now has 198% liberty desire from defections alone. I thought that if I supported the rebels in Timurids, and got them to release Persia the good faith would, uh, counteract it. It did not, and now I have a full formed Persia with a grand total of like 180% liberty desire! Ack!
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All this talk of Persia... Which nation is best placed to form Persia and liberate those sweet, sweet cores? I've never played in the region before.
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IncredibleIgloo posted:Very similar thing happened to me, but with Persia. Persia now has 198% liberty desire from defections alone. I thought that if I supported the rebels in Timurids, and got them to release Persia the good faith would, uh, counteract it. It did not, and now I have a full formed Persia with a grand total of like 180% liberty desire! Ack! Yeah, I mentioned this earlier in the thread. The amount they get for province defections is crazy. You need to jump on Timurids ASAP or you get a big angry Persia. Luckily, unless Muscovy is knocking on your door or something, no one will support their independence and you can just wait for it to tick down/feed them prestige from your many other wars.
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QuarkJets posted:Another weird situation Haha that's great "Do you want us to help you in your wars?" "Yes, please!" "Will you show us where the war is?" "...no"
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Jay Rust posted:All this talk of Persia... Which nation is best placed to form Persia and liberate those sweet, sweet cores? I've never played in the region before. There's only three nations that form Persia without culture shifting, Ardalan (Timurid Vassal), Shirvan and Tabarestan. Tabarestan is probably the hardest one which is also why it has an achievement associated with forming Persia, so you can knock out two in one go if you really want (Shahanshah and This Is Persia!). Forming Persia from a minor is very frustrating though, mostly because you have to be Very Successful against the Timurids and take all the cores you need at once, plus the core in QQ land and click form before the Timurids eventually fall apart and Persia pops out fully formed (with all of its cores) and ready to kick your poo poo. However, if you do manage to form Persia before that then you just get a ton of free land when the rebels pop up. And then you have no friends while bordering the Ottomans.
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Jay Rust posted:All this talk of Persia... Which nation is best placed to form Persia and liberate those sweet, sweet cores? I've never played in the region before. I don't really know, but I feel like Ottomans releasing Persia as a vassal could do a decent job; even if a ton of Persian cores suddenly get given to your vassal Persia, Ottomans is already so big and powerful that you can probably manage them easily. You probably meant form as in "take the decision to form Persia" but I feel like vassal releasing is just as good
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Baron Corbyn posted:Haha that's great The entire Mare Nostrum map system just seems really poorly designed in general. The fact that there's no way to deal with it besides buying Mare Nostrum (unless you go Exploration) is just icing on the cake.
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It could be a decent system if they fixed all the fiddly bullshit associated with it. Your own subjects should probably be willing to share maps with you, currently you can end up with subjects you haven't even discovered. Requiring units nearby the area you want to discover is also irritating. "We tried to steal a map of India, but we were unable to since none of our soldiers were in India at the time."
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Dec 11, 2016 14:10
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Does having a direct land connection to my trade companies still nullify them? Just wondering because I am conquering my way dish the East African coast and I'm not sure if I still need to leave a blocker province.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Does having a direct land connection to my trade companies still nullify them? Just wondering because I am conquering my way dish the East African coast and I'm not sure if I still need to leave a blocker province. Nope! Just don't turn their land into States. In other news:  Europe of course still got it within 10 years, while I'm stuck developing to try to embrace it before 1730.
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Elman posted:Nope! Just don't turn their land into States.
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Yashichi posted:It could be a decent system if they fixed all the fiddly bullshit associated with it. Your own subjects should probably be willing to share maps with you, currently you can end up with subjects you haven't even discovered. Requiring units nearby the area you want to discover is also irritating. "We tried to steal a map of India, but we were unable to since none of our soldiers were in India at the time." This last is the most baffling decision to me. If I could send a unit even close to there, I wouldn't need the maps in the first place, I'd just have them explore it.
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Senor Dog posted:Anyone get this before? Holy poo poo do not delete both save files, I did that and lost my ottomans game. Maybe try just deleting the back up one, though.
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algebra testes posted:Holy poo poo do not delete both save files, I did that and lost my ottomans game.
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Elman posted:If I fail I think it'll be because I didn't do this (cause I didn't have vision of the colonies, and even now in 1700 I still don't for the most part). You don't need map knowledge of colonial subjects to take them. If they don't have forts, or if they do but one of your allies has taken them, you can very happily take huge swathes of undiscovered land from your enemies' subjects. (Possibly the 'demand colonial X' option would allow you to bypass the need to take forts, even, though, it doesn't respect wargoal cost reduction & so is more expensive than Imperialism.)
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Yashichi posted:It could be a decent system if they fixed all the fiddly bullshit associated with it. Your own subjects should probably be willing to share maps with you, currently you can end up with subjects you haven't even discovered. Requiring units nearby the area you want to discover is also irritating. "We tried to steal a map of India, but we were unable to since none of our soldiers were in India at the time." You don't need a unit nearby the area that you want to discover; this is a widely-spread misconception. You need to have a fully-explored series of maps connecting to the area that you want to discover, much like you would if you were using an Explorer to discover new ocean zones and coasts. It's the "fully-explored chain of maps" bit that trips people up. I've stolen maps connecting deep into South America without ever setting foot in the new world. The idea that you need to have a unit somewhere nearby is simply false
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QuarkJets posted:You don't need a unit nearby the area that you want to discover; this is a widely-spread misconception. You need to have a fully-explored series of maps connecting to the area that you want to discover, much like you would if you were using an Explorer to discover new ocean zones and coasts. It's the "fully-explored chain of maps" bit that trips people up. They should probably change the tooltip then, it says something like "cannot steal maps as no units are in an adjacent area.
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pointsofdata posted:They should probably change the tooltip then, it says something like "cannot steal maps as no units are in an adjacent area. I had an issue where I integrated a vassal, and so I had vision of where they explored, the Windward Isles. I eventually colonized all but one of them, with GB snatched. I wanted to colonize Cuba, but only had the one colonist from my NI, I didn't take exploration. I tried to steal maps from GB, but it gave me that error. I then required one merc, and the error went away and let me steal maps to the Carribean.
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I was wondering why my anti-austrian alliance with the French had just vanished without a notification and: 
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