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Fishstick posted:Care to share? Whole lot of  about pathing mechanics incoming. Preemptive TL:DR; The Tiny Whirly Rig and Kickflip work just great even if the teleportation looks janky, it's primarily the big wheels you see it come into play. None of this will change your ability to make money and win missions/challenges. So only read on if you want a peek under the hood of how these things work, when customers unwilling to wait 5 minutes for a 90 second thrill ride are willing to wait over 30+ minutes for a 10 minute minimum ferris wheel ride. First of all they don't stop every so often to let people in and out of the station. They will run a full ride (606 seconds on the Radius for a single sequence, so ten minutes in that case), then bulk unload/load customers like a generic flat ride. This also means you should ensure your queue line is huge enough to handle at least 200 people, as well as ensure your maximum wait times are cranked up to handle it. Because the Radius holds about 160 people (I think I counted 40 cars?) and shuffles them through the entry gate one group at a time. (Five minutes seems to do the trick with narrow edge gates. Four minutes max wait time still left a bunch of empty cars). Second, the customer pathing is brain dead. As no matter where you place your entrance an exit gates (So far as I've tried with a bunch of  sandbox testing), half your customers will only want to pass through the front of the platform (side with the control booth), and half your customers will only want to pass through the back side of the platform. So the majority of gate placements means half your customers will walk a quick 12 feet between gates and platform. Meanwhile the other half your customers will instead prefer the side of the platform that requires them to walk around the entire ride entering or leaving. If they are boarding, they will walk right past the front doors and loop to the back. If they are leaving, they will come out the doors on the opposite side of the ride as the exit. Because their pathing logic seems to be predestined towards a given side of the ride, rather than any expected "Use shortest route" Finally, mass teleportation. Once they get to the platform (or it's time to exit), they just teleport into their respective cars. Which gives us the paradox of the worlds slowest customer changeover, despite being willing to teleport 200 feet up into the air. After all, the Radius can fit 160 people. So 80 of them are going to be ignoring the closest car doors to the entrance/exit. Because     You can half mitigate the pathing quirk by putting a gate on each narrow end to either side of the ride. This seems silly at first because makes it that so every customer has to walk 1/4 of the way around the ride... But that's still faster than half of them walking around the entire ride instead. It still takes about 5 minutes to load everyone, but that's still better than just clicking "Max load only ever" and calling it a day gets you. It's most notable on exit, as people plop out all at once so not having half of them still need to run a lap around the ride means they leave ASAP, in a compacted brick of people on either side. Which will then expand as they poop out the tiny exit gate in a giant clump that overflows past default path edges.  Then they slowly jockey for position inch by inch to get back within the path borders. So use wide exit paths for Ferris wheels to give them room to shotgun over one hundred people out the end.   There. Much better. Like many underlying cases of ride mechanics  in this game, you can still easily beat missions or challenge mode without ever noticing because hey, you can still turn a profit in the end. Like the Developer's placement of their rocktopus in the very first pirate mission. The Roctopus in particular, Customers refuse to walk past the control booth. So you get to watch someone immediately sit in the closest car, and their friend walk a lap around the entire ride to finally sit next to them. And then when they get off, switch. It's particularly funny in this example, even though you can much more easily fix the rocktupus ride flow via "LOL just move your gates  " (Then it loving RULES  it basically flipped the mission win switch for me to fix the pathing) . Due to the fact the developers themselves placed it in the worst possible position  Again though, you can easily make  despite all this. So none of this is anything to worry about for beating the game unless you really needed the money in the wallets of a few hundred customers trapped in Ferris wheel limbo for several in game days.Note to self: See about building a Radius that exits out into a food court, gift shops, and pay toilets. Everyone comes out with maximum happiness, and devastated Energy/Hunger/Thirst/Restroom bars. Section Z fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Dec 14, 2016 |
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Dec 14, 2016 12:37
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So I guess buildings don't count towards Scenery ratings? How is this a 105 Scenery rated park, you jerkass peeps, I built you a clock tower  
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Dec 14, 2016 18:11
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CapnAndy posted:So I guess buildings don't count towards Scenery ratings? How is this a 105 Scenery rated park, you jerkass peeps, I built you a clock tower Pretty sure it does, I got frustrated with that tree scenario and ended up plopping down some prefab buildings to get the required scenery score
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Dukberry posted:Pretty sure it does, I got frustrated with that tree scenario and ended up plopping down some prefab buildings to get the required scenery score I got lazy and ended up plopping down golden chests. They give 10 scenery rating each
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Dec 14, 2016 19:57
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I was....less subtle 
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Dec 14, 2016 20:32
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Album full of things being added in the update tomorrow. Some decent QoL improvements and more extra than I thought would be included. Watching the update video now. Will post my own summary of stuff. New Rides: Collider (an Enterprise), Dodgems/Bumper Cars. Sleigh/sled tracked ride New Train Transport Ride. "Iron Horse", a larger train with larger capacity. Seven(!) new shops: Pizza Pen, Miss Goody's Donuts, Pipshot Health Drinks - Smoothy/water/juice (separate shops), Cosmic Cow Ice Cream, New Gulpee type (unspecified?) Winter/Holiday Hats for the Hat Store New Entertainer: Holiday King Coaster Improvements to Log Flume (and rapids?) (increased control over drops and lift hills) Arctic/Snow Biome Map. Candyland Theme Caroler Animatronics Colorable Flowers  Angle of turn now displayed when laying track. Magic Katz front reduced in size to make easier to see over (I noticed this while working on my dark ride. )New tab in the scenery/building menus that shows recently used items. Management Improvements/QoL More info in ride info tab (can change prices/open close) "Ride Prestige" the appeal the ride has with guests (combo of scenery, Excite/fear/nausea, age, etc) Age reputation. New Rides more popular, fades with age, though older rides can eventually become "classic" favorites. Massive Staff screen Improvements. Hire/Fire, adjust wages, training, adjust rosters, etc Shop screen improvements, can sync shop prices! Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Dec 15, 2016 00:35
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Album full of things being added in the update tomorrow. Some decent QoL improvements and more extra than I thought would be included.  Has there been any word on the apparent bug where peeps just don't want hats or balloons, though? Or even some way of measuring desire for a souvenir so we know when not to build gift shops?
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Dec 15, 2016 00:55
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gently caress yeah bumper cars! Though I hope they are also added as defaults to some of the Career missions, or at least not too deep into the research trees in them. It's nice to have new things, but it would just remind me of the discouraging bits if they, and many other new toys, were essentially only showing up in sandbox mode.
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Dec 15, 2016 07:11
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Yessss those are some amazing QoL changes. 
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Edit - should have looked at pics before assuming the sled/sleigh ride would be the coaster style.
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Update is out, lots of new things!quote:With the weather getting colder and the holidays drawing closer, it’s the perfect time to release our all-new FREE Winter Update for you to enjoy! The Winter Update will be going live today and will automatically become available to you via a Steam update. Build notes with more stuff
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Dec 15, 2016 17:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJFQRfxDdo aaaaaaaa I'm gonna make a gingerbread village aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Dec 15, 2016 17:28
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CLAM DOWN posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJFQRfxDdo clam down
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Dec 15, 2016 17:29
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Can't believe I forgot to post the actual trailer
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What does a christmas themed park do the rest of the year?
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Christmas In July.
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Poil posted:What does a christmas themed park do the rest of the year? Celebrate Christmas, dummy
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Theme parks aren't open during the off season!! This is a sham!!!
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Dec 15, 2016 18:35
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Really pushed the boat out for this patch! I had put my park on hiatus but I'm excited to get back to it. The new paintable flowers they've added are just lovely 
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Dec 15, 2016 19:13
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Wait paintable flowerbeds?!
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Dec 15, 2016 19:16
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bumper cars are super loving popular, though I wish they'd change guests not wanting to wait in line for more than five seconds also an icy water would have been great for this update Doorknob Slobber fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Dec 15, 2016 19:51
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Use the new recolourable icing decorations to add patterns to your building, like the trim on my performance stage: Flowers are perfect for turning mundane objects into fun planters:  Here's the constructed performance stage and seating area:  Chances are peeps won't use this because they only ever seem to use benches if they're pathing somewhere and they come across them along the way, but it seems like a nice thing to have in a park and I had a gap to fill. Now to add the millions of bushes and shrubs to stop it from looking like a big green void! 
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Dec 15, 2016 20:51
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aaaaaaaa so much stuff I hope they keep adding more flat rides, RCT3 had a million of them for any theme.
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Dec 15, 2016 22:05
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One thing I've noticed with this patch is that they've fixed people not going to certain stores. That has had some......interesting side effects for my park. This is the indoor shopping area I made Pre-patch, it was virtually dead in there, with the only people in there forced into there since the exit from the rapids lead only to there and it's my most popular ride. Post-patch.....  And everyone I clicked on was heading to one of those stores 
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Dec 16, 2016 00:46
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Being able to control all the staff at once is a godsend.
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Dec 16, 2016 01:06
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colorable flower bushes? gently caress YES
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Dec 16, 2016 02:04
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I'm gonna color-match the flowers to the vomit and build tons of them at the exits of my worst rides.
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Dec 16, 2016 04:14
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Man they must have baked in some optimization passes this patch. Much more stable!
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Dec 16, 2016 04:15
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Decided to try the idea of making a workshop map that is basically an old quarry. I am not good at terraforming. 
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So remember the Great Tree scenario I was complaining about how this wasn't good enough for 'em?  I beat it!  Stuff I'm particularly proud of:  I named the coaster Dragon Roar, so here's a nice castle with sleeping dragon right by the entrance and exit. You'll notice it also doubles as a bathroom and first aid stall, because, y'know. People just got off a coaster and I don't want a mess.  Well, it's called Dragon Roar, isn't it? So when coasters zoom past after the first drop, this dragon greets them with his firey breath.  Flanked by a clock tower/ATM, a royal fountain provides a perfect backdrop for a picture with Princess Amelie. Nobody used it, though. I don't understand Entertainment Points at all. Also there's some spooky trees in the background, but they're for the sun riser ride.
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Dec 16, 2016 18:26
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I finally built a coaster that doesn't puree people for that goddamn Great Tree objective, with mostly consistent green EFN heatmaps... and it has 4.97 out of the required 5.00 excitement 
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Dec 16, 2016 19:45
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Build a path over a low high speed area just after a hill. The "headchopper" effect might bump the excitement. Might also bump fear though. Alternatively increase lifthill chain speed slightly to increase overall ride speed ever slightly (it comes into the drop slightly faster).
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Dec 16, 2016 19:50
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Kite Pride Worldwide posted:I finally built a coaster that doesn't puree people for that goddamn Great Tree objective, with mostly consistent green EFN heatmaps... and it has 4.97 out of the required 5.00 excitement
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Dec 16, 2016 19:51
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CapnAndy posted:Flanked by a clock tower/ATM, a royal fountain provides a perfect backdrop for a picture with Princess Amelie. Nobody used it, though. I don't understand Entertainment Points at all. Entertainment Points are for you to station an entertainer employee at. You set the Entertainment Point as a work order.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:54
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Roadie posted:Entertainment Points are for you to station an entertainer employee at. You set the Entertainment Point as a work order.
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Dec 16, 2016 19:56
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Build a path over a low high speed area just after a hill. The "headchopper" effect might bump the excitement. Might also bump fear though. Increasing the lift chain speed bumped it from 4.97 to 6.34
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Dec 16, 2016 20:03
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CapnAndy posted:It's on Amelie's work order, but she has other things to do too, so she wanders. What benefit would I get from her standing still in one place? People come to her to be entertained
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Dec 16, 2016 20:16
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Kite Pride Worldwide posted:Increasing the lift chain speed bumped it from 4.97 to 6.34 One of the weaknesses of the game's EFN system is that the final stats are just a simple average of the efn across the entire ride. Thus the shorter you low excitement lift hill takes the higher the average excitement. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Dec 16, 2016 |
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Galaga Galaxian posted:One of the weaknesses of the game's EFN system is that the final stats are just a simple average of the efn across the entire ride. Thus the shorter you low excitement lift hill takes the higher the average excitement. But it says on the lift chain tooltip that chains aren't supposed to be averaged into the total EFN ratings? Is it just... wrong?
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