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Collateral Damage posted:I had a similar reaction to Napoleon Dynamite, which people in general seem to love and I just couldn't stand because the main character is such a completely unlikeable tool. Solice Kirsk posted:Has anyone seen that Outdoors show? It may be the worst thing I've ever seen. And Stephen Fry is horrible in it. Solice Kirsk posted:Tangled was good. Also, the Gothel is a weird villain. She's minding her own business when some selfish arsehole steals her magic flower. She tries to get the magic back without harming anyone, but finds out the only way is to kidnap Rapunzel (and if she doesn't get the magic, she dies). But then she raises Rapunzel as a daughter and keeps her safe, because she has good reason to believe (and is absolutely right) that if people found out about her they'd try to kidnap her and steal her magic. And then she gets brutally murdered by a comic relief sidekick. Basically, terrible people get everything they want and there's no one who's actually a particularly good person in the entire film. Even Rapunzel's not really good, since she doesn't have any opportunity to make any kind of moral decision. bean_shadow posted:I will be really disappointed if it turns out he left QI for it.
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Tangled was good because it had that song in the bad guys bar.  Also terrible people are usually the people that get their way in real life so it's a terrific lesson to teach kids.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Also terrible people are usually the people that get their way in real life so it's a terrific lesson to teach kids. i'll teach my children this by only allowing them to watch lazytown, except edited so it only shows the parts with robbie rotten.
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WampaLord posted:Were you the one critic who kept it from getting a 100% score on Rotten Tomatoes? It is 95% unmemorable, and 5% emotional cheap shots.
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Pick posted:It is 95% unmemorable, and 5% emotional cheap shots. I'm not even mad, I honestly feel sad for you. Tiggum posted:Also, the Gothel is a weird villain. She's minding her own business when some selfish arsehole steals her magic flower. She tries to get the magic back without harming anyone, but finds out the only way is to kidnap Rapunzel (and if she doesn't get the magic, she dies). But then she raises Rapunzel as a daughter and keeps her safe, because she has good reason to believe (and is absolutely right) that if people found out about her they'd try to kidnap her and steal her magic. And then she gets brutally murdered by a comic relief sidekick. You can't use "fear of death" as a motivation factor, everyone's afraid to die but the rest of us don't go around kidnapping innocent people to stay forever young. ...well, except Peter Theil. Also she does not "keep her safe" she shelters the gently caress out of her in an extremely unhealthy way. WampaLord has a new favorite as of 17:53 on Jan 7, 2017 |
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I honestly think it'd be a good idea to make a children's film about coping with the idea that bad people sometimes go unpunished.
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Das Boo posted:I honestly think it'd be a good idea to make a children's film about coping with the idea that bad people sometimes go unpunished. Duh, that's what Beauty and the Beast is for.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Duh, that's what Beauty and the Beast is for. The... fairy? I take it?
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Das Boo posted:The... fairy? I take it? The man who runs the asylum.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Frozen was the first Disney animated movie that I've seen since I was a kid and I had to shut it off by the second song. I can't say the same about even the worst pixar movie. I'm still very confused how Frozen was such a huge thing. I didn't think it was bad but I barely remember anything about it, and I liked stuff like Inside Out and find that memorable
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Jan 7, 2017 18:21
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It had two Disney Princesses in one movie.
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Das Boo posted:I honestly think it'd be a good idea to make a children's film about coping with the idea that bad people sometimes go unpunished. The bad guys in Pinnochio get away with literally everything they do with no consequences
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Solice Kirsk posted:It had two Disney Princesses in one movie. So... successful marketing I guess?
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Das Boo posted:The... fairy? I take it? The kidnapping Beast of course. The Peter Theil of Disney princes.
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Aesop Poprock posted:I'm still very confused how Frozen was such a huge thing. I didn't think it was bad but I barely remember anything about it, and I liked stuff like Inside Out and find that memorable It speaks deeply to teenage girls. That is the secret of ultimate box office success. Titanic, Twilight, etc. "Let it go" is the anthem of teen girl independence.
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Aesop Poprock posted:I'm still very confused how Frozen was such a huge thing. I didn't think it was bad but I barely remember anything about it, and I liked stuff like Inside Out and find that memorable It was a pretty good fairy tale with some funny moments. The animation was pretty impressive. It was good. Not great just good. It also kind of kicked a Disney trend away in that neither princess is married at the end of the movie. It isn't "they got married and lived happily ever after" like basically every other Disney movie.
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Jan 7, 2017 18:30
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Everyone should be required to own a frog, and take care of the frog. If your frog survives the year, you get a tax break
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Pick posted:The man who runs the asylum. Now I kinda wish there had been a post credits scene lavishly animating the death of Corpse Dude From That One Scene. Missed opportunity, Disney.
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Jan 7, 2017 18:31
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All Disney movies end with the villains getting their way because royalty is the greatest evil of them all. E: gently caress you, Little Mermaid, feudalism is not acceptable any more E: Or would Little Mermaid be theocracy? That's even worse.
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None of the above examples are about really dealing with a just world fallacy, though. The plot just kinda forgets about them. Give me No Country for Old Men Jr., drat you!
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If I know Disney, Tramp was probably some exiled archduke from Eastern Europe, cursed into the form of a dog, arrrg
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Pick posted:Everyone should be required to own a frog, and take care of the frog. If your frog survives the year, you get a tax break Frogs are horrifying mindless eating machines barely above locusts. I think it's neat to see them in the wild but what a bad pet
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i don't think that media for kids really need to be anything other than light-hearted fun that encourages learning and creativity. media for kids should be inclusive, by virtue of being non-discriminatory, though, but that's about it. i'm having trouble imagining the theoretical child that would need to be told about how sometimes the world is unfair by a movie, because that child would somehow go through daycare, kindergarten and school without instances of feeling like they were ever unfairly treated.
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Aesop Poprock posted:Frogs are horrifying mindless eating machines barely above locusts. I think it's neat to see them in the wild but what a bad pet What an unpopular opinion by some sort of jackass who doesn't like frogs
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Grandmother of Five posted:i don't think that media for kids really need to be anything other than light-hearted fun that encourages learning and creativity. media for kids should be inclusive, by virtue of being non-discriminatory, though, but that's about it. Uh excuse me but watership down was one of my favorite movies when I was little
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Pick posted:What an unpopular opinion by some sort of jackass who doesn't like frogs I think it's weird when people own pets that have no ability to recognize them it's basically just collecting a living thing
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Aesop Poprock posted:I think it's weird when people own pets that have no ability to recognize them it's basically just collecting a living thing And? When I had a saltwater fishtank I wasn't imagining the coral and fish or whatever were my companion animal or that they knew who I was beyond "thing that opens the lid and feeds us". It's not like more traditional pets "recognize" you much beyond "thing that feeds me and smells like ____". Having pets is a hobby like any other. With a dog or something of course you can develop a closer bond than a fish, but in the end it's still just "collecting (and taking care of) a living thing".
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Grandmother of Five posted:i don't think that media for kids really need to be anything other than light-hearted fun that encourages learning and creativity. media for kids should be inclusive, by virtue of being non-discriminatory, though, but that's about it. Nah, you have plenty of kid's films that teach good life lessons that a lot of children's media unfairly enforces. Inside Out tells kids it's okay to be sad when most children's media tells them sadness needs to be "fixed." ParaNorman tells kids that returning cruelty with cruelty worsens things when most children's media tells them cruelty is good if it's against a "bad" person. Up tells kids that it's okay to move on from the loss of a loved one when most kid's media just shies away from loss or takes it from a perspective of vengeance equaling justice. These are all really good lessons that prepare kids for dealing with life. I see a problem with enforcing the idea that the good guy always wins. You set up kids with the expectation that because they're "good" or "right," things will always go their way. When this inevitably turns out to be false, they become lost, furious, vindictive, feel lied to, etc. While it is up to the parents to communicate these ideas, media plays a massive role in everyone's development. This is why you have so many goddamn adults sincerely wondering why they weren't awarded fortune/acceptance/the woman/etc. when they're the "good guy." Media is constantly reinforcing this fantasy and it's one that should be nipped in the bud pretty early. e: See- MegaMind touching on the idea of a "good guy" not immediately getting everything he wants. Only the "good guy" was actually a bad guy, so... Das Boo has a new favorite as of 19:33 on Jan 7, 2017 |
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That's why kids should watch Game of Thrones at an early age, so they learn that being good and moral not only doesn't guarantee good outcomes, but in fact is actively harmful to achieving success in worldly pursuits.
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I've never heard anyone use the term "nerd blackface" outside of goons complaining about people using that term. Besides, it's more like nerd Will and Grace.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:And? When I had a saltwater fishtank I wasn't imagining the coral and fish or whatever were my companion animal or that they knew who I was beyond "thing that opens the lid and feeds us". It's not like more traditional pets "recognize" you much beyond "thing that feeds me and smells like ____". Having pets is a hobby like any other. With a dog or something of course you can develop a closer bond than a fish, but in the end it's still just "collecting (and taking care of) a living thing". Nah fish can recognize your face my friend. Frogs can't. They dumb. Dumber than fish https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160607080356.htm And yeah those other things you mentioned are different cause there's a bond there. I just think it's weird to have an animal that will never respond to you beyond a primal level Aesop Poprock has a new favorite as of 20:10 on Jan 7, 2017 |
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How dare you speak ill of my pet hermit crabs.
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Well coral definitely can't recognize me, but I still enjoyed keeping it because it looked really cool and it was a challenge to figure out all the chemistry bullshit to keep it from dying. Are people with flower gardens and stuff weird too? Sometimes you just want a cool looking thing that you know is alive because you knew how to take care of it.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Well coral definitely can't recognize me, but I still enjoyed keeping it because it looked really cool and it was a challenge to figure out all the chemistry bullshit to keep it from dying. Are people with flower gardens and stuff weird too? Sometimes you just want a cool looking thing that you know is alive because you knew how to take care of it. To be honest it's not a subject I've really thought about and I don't really care if people own whatever I just remember from being a kid that animals like turtles and mice and poo poo loving blow to own and I think they suck as pets. I had a turtle named Tyrone and he smelled and sucked and the day before he died he screamed
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You don't walk your coral or take it to coral parks to socialize it with other coral? You're a bad coral parent.
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Tiggum posted:Fry leaving was great for QI, it's a better show for it. Yes, Stephen Fry was a terrible host. That's why QI was cancelled after only one season.
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Check out The Unbelievable Truth with David Mitchell for how to host this sort of show properly. Fry was too much of a smug blowhard, and it wore on me fast.
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steinrokkan posted:Check out The Unbelievable Truth with David Mitchell for how to host this sort of show properly. Fry was too much of a smug blowhard, and it wore on me fast. Fry really is very clever and knowledgeable when people are whispering clever and knowledgeable things into his headset.
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