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cowofwar posted:I can't imagine this getting through the senate. Or past Trump without some serious concessions on free trade. I think Trump is going to hold all the socially regressive poo poo hostage unless he gets his economic changes. Lolz Trump is gonna let the Republican Congress do whatever it wants he gives no fucks at all
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cowofwar posted:I can't imagine this getting through the senate. Or past Trump without some serious concessions on free trade. I think Trump is going to hold all the socially regressive poo poo hostage unless he gets his economic changes.
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Inferior Third Season posted:What? Trump and congressional Republicans are not really in disagreement about anything. Trump wants some terrible poo poo? Fine, let him have it. And in return he'll sign whatever is put in front of him. You're fooling yourself if you think there are any brakes on this train.
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cowofwar posted:Trump wants protectionism, republicans want free trade. Trump doesn't care about social issues, republicans do. All Trump wants is praise from those in his immediate presence.
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Jan 6, 2017 00:27
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Neither Trump nor any Senate Republicans are going to hold the annual budget hostage, especially not for Planned Parenthood's sake.
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cowofwar posted:Trump wants protectionism, republicans want free trade. Trump doesn't care about social issues, republicans do. You've fooled yourself if you believe Trump wouldn't do social issue regression for fun. He doesn't actually like minorities and making GBS threads on them is both a sure winner with his base and a way for him to gladden the hearts of elected Republicans.
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There will be elimination of programs, not reform, not changes. Rahm Emmanuel wants to brag about eliminating programs in Chicago? Trump will eliminate them from Washington forever.
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Time to hold on for dear life until the 2018 midterms. Donate to PP and the ACLU.
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Holy poo poo we are going to need a democratic wave in 2018 and 2020 to get the kind of numbers needed to bring back everything the GOP is gutting or eliminating. We are going to have to rebuild the government from the ground up.
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Except there's no chance of a dem wave in 2018 because of the seats up for re-election.
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Corbeau posted:Except there's no chance of a dem wave in 2018 because of the seats up for re-election. Given the map I'm kind of defining a 2018 Dem wave as "not losing more seats".
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Corbeau posted:Except there's no chance of a dem wave in 2018 because of the seats up for re-election. In the Senate yes there's very little chance of gaining but they can make gains in the House and perhaps most importantly on the state level. Remember, every mid term election save one has seen the opposing party gain seats at every level going back to the 40s.
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Oh boy. So, the Republicans are also going to use reconciliation to force through tax reform without working with the Dems. That will be a treat.
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BedBuglet posted:Oh boy. So, the Republicans are also going to use reconciliation to force through tax reform without working with the Dems. That will be a treat. Holy poo poo, they sure are going whole hog on this whole reconciliation thing.
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Trump intends to ask Congress, not Mexico, to pay for the wall
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Hahaha, gently caress this country and the GOP so much.
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Oh sweet merciful god they might actually pull the trigger on that loving wall.
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Klaus88 posted:Oh sweet merciful god they might actually pull the trigger on that loving wall. Donald Trump is going to build the wall, and it's going to be the most elegant version of paying people to shovel money into holes then dig it up ever, and it's going to resurrect our domestic economy. Hail Trump. 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgXCw2eYUaU&t=169s We should have known a Keynesian public works project could happen if it were pitched racistly enough.
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Ragnar34 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgXCw2eYUaU&t=169s MIGF... was... right?... 
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Considering how the majority of the "wall" will be fences and the rest probably constructed in part with prison labor how will this project put more then a small dent into the domestic economy? We all know this poo poo is going to be done as cheap and halfassed as possible as is the conservative way. Hell even if they actually did build a full length wall (which they wont) I can't imagine it costing more than a refurbishment of a couple national highways. Which yeah, would put a bunch of people to work but again not enough to improve the economic standing. 8-10 billion is chump change especially since most will get pocketed by whoever in charge. This poo poo is just going to be one big racist vanity project that wastes a lot of money and time not some economic miracle that will present Trump as the savior of the nation. You'd need an infrastructure program literally two magnitudes more expensive than the Wall to do that. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Jan 6, 2017 |
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Donald Trump is going to build the wall, and it's going to be the most elegant version of paying people to shovel money into holes then dig it up ever, and it's going to resurrect our domestic economy. Not likely. Notice that he's not going to start a new wall effort, he's going to ask Congress to fund the existing build-a-wall law that Bush passed in 2006...but which Congress defunded after only a token effort because they thought it was too expensive.
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Main Paineframe posted:Not likely. Notice that he's not going to start a new wall effort, he's going to ask Congress to fund the existing build-a-wall law that Bush passed in 2006...but which Congress defunded after only a token effort because they thought it was too expensive. There is also discussion of using prison slave labor to build it, meaning it wouldn't produce all that many jobs if they go with that route.
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There's gonna be like a 10 mile stretch of an actual fortified wall and the other 3000 miles will be whatever poo poo that's already there but maybe patched up a bit. All built by
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Rand Paul is not losing this "repeal and delay" fight without bring out the big, orange, racist guns. https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/817557831683608576
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DC Murderverse posted:Rand Paul is not losing this "repeal and delay" fight without bring out the big, orange, racist guns. Yes, Rand, Donald Trump fully agrees with the last person to talk to him, that's the point. Next he'll talk to some other guy who believes there are Mexicans on the moon and he'll be on board with funding nuclear satellites.
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Fulchrum posted:We might actually see these freaks fighting between delaying and replacing for so long that we make it past 2018 and they can't do either. Unless Republicans get a supermajority in 2018, they'll never be able to completely repeal ACA. However, they can get really far by just defunding ACA. Which Republicans will most assuredly set out to do this year. If there's going to be any fight, it'll be over how long to delay the defunding. Rand Paul's skepticism is still justified though. Health insurance are freaking the gently caress out and what Rand Paul doesn't want to see happen is the federal government bailing out private health insurance for a few years until the post-ACA repeal stabilizes. Think of it like the 2007 financial panic but affecting 20% of the economy. There far-right Republicans who will not vote for a health insurance bailout. Requiring the democrats to pass anything to prop up the health insurance markets and to finally fully repeal/replace the ACA. Rand Paul for all his insanity at least understands that it's easier to replace ACA while the private health insurance market isn't imploding. He also seems to think the voters will punish them for all the disruption that will occur if you repeal without a replace but I have no such illusions.
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Quorum posted:Yes, Rand, Donald Trump fully agrees with the last person to talk to him, that's the point. Next he'll talk to some other guy who believes there are Mexicans on the moon and he'll be on board with funding nuclear satellites. Speaking of Alex Jones, has he gotten his position in the Trump White House yet?
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Bueno Papi posted:Unless Republicans get a supermajority in 2018, they'll never be able to completely repeal ACA. However, they can get really far by just defunding ACA. Which Republicans will most assuredly set out to do this year. If there's going to be any fight, it'll be over how long to delay the defunding. Rand Paul's skepticism is still justified though. Health insurance are freaking the gently caress out and what Rand Paul doesn't want to see happen is the federal government bailing out private health insurance for a few years until the post-ACA repeal stabilizes. Think of it like the 2007 financial panic but affecting 20% of the economy. There far-right Republicans who will not vote for a health insurance bailout. Requiring the democrats to pass anything to prop up the health insurance markets and to finally fully repeal/replace the ACA. Wait, so what exactly can and cannot get put in their simple majority bill?
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They are trying to use the budget reconcile to get an omnibus defund everything package. They are prepared to use every loophole and gently caress you possible. This train has no brakes.
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Reconciliation can include only budget measures. So yes to defunding everything, no to anything that doesn't involve money.
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Do the health insurance companies even want Obamacare to be scrapped? They spent so much time and money on compliance that changing everything a few years later can't be worth it.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Do the health insurance companies even want Obamacare to be scrapped? They spent so much time and money on compliance that changing everything a few years later can't be worth it.
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Ideally, they would like to keep the individual mandate while scrapping coverage of preexisting conditions and reinstating annual/lifetime limits. Also converting Medicare and Medicaid to voucher programs.
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Quorum posted:Reconciliation can include only budget measures. So yes to defunding everything, no to anything that doesn't involve money. Okay, so voter id, libel laws, right to work conversion, that poo poo cannot get put in that bill.
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Fulchrum posted:Wait, so what exactly can and cannot get put in their simple majority bill? Reconciliation only affects the budget. In effect, republicans can remove all the funding aspects of ACA: medicaid expansion, exchanges, premium support, medicare tax increase, individual mandate, death panels, etc. What reconciliation cannot do is change the statutes in ACA: preexisting conditions clause, kids on their parents health insurance until 26, etc. There are few other statute limitations like annual/lifetime limits but those are set by the head of the HHS. Trump's pick to head the HHS, Tom Price, will probably day 1 gut all the things they can within their authority like the limits. Another shady bit is house republicans rule package included a provision barring the CBO from calculating the deficit increase upon an ACA repeal. Which violates one of the reconciliation rules that the bill cannot add to the deficit. Then there's all the economic effects of the repeal itself. http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/Issue-Briefs/2017/Jan/Repealing-Federal-Health-Reform quote:Findings and Conclusions: Repeal results in a $140 billion loss in federal funding for health care in 2019, leading to the loss of 2.6 million jobs (mostly in the private sector) that year across all states. A third of lost jobs are in health care, with the majority in other industries. If replacement policies are not in place, there will be a cumulative $1.5 trillion loss in gross state products and a $2.6 trillion reduction in business output from 2019 to 2023. States and health care providers will be particularly hard hit by the funding cuts.
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Bueno Papi posted:Another shady bit is house republicans rule package included a provision barring the CBO from calculating the deficit increase upon an ACA repeal. Okay, back up. What allows this?
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