TheChirurgeon posted:

It's hard to say how the trade of Romo will work out. It's very possible he could be traded before June 1st, and the Cowboys will just eat his full dead money hit this year. That may be more likely than a team waiting to trade for him until after June 1st. With regard to his contract, it's advantageous financially to trade for him instead of waiting for free agency because 1. you don't have to bid against anyone else financially (and you know some idiot team is willing to give him a 5-year deal), and 2. If you trade for him, his contract is completely non-guaranteed at that point, making it easy to cut him after 1 or 2 years with no consequences as they relate to dead money and an easy path to restructuring.

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I'm hopeful Jaylon Smith will play next year. It was certainly a gamble taking him, but the Cowboys' team doctor was also responsible for performing his surgery, so I doubt they believed he'd never play again at that point (and reports suggesting as such were giving worst-case scenarios). The most recent reports suggest he could have played in this year's playoffs with a brace (supposedly he's running 4.5s right now), but the Cowboys chose not to activate him and play it safe. Given where the team is with regard to the playoffs, I think we'll see him playing next year, though I have no idea how his play will be affected or whether his knee is 100%, or if this is mostly optimistic bullshit.

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I have no idea if we'll take a CB with the first pick. There are a number of needs on offense and defense and it will depend on who is available at the pick. Claibourne, Church, Wilcox, and Terrell McClain are all UFAs next year, so it's entirely possible that we'll look at a Safety or DT. Top Safeties tend to go lower--late 1st/early 2nd round, so it may behoove us to pick up a top safety instead of a CB. Similarly, Leary is also a UFA next year and Free is aging and will be a UFA in 2018, so RT is also a potential position we'd look at. Similarly, CB may be less of a priority if we can improve the pass rush, reducing the amount of time our Secondary is exposed.

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With regard to the strengths of each position class, you'll have to ask one of the more college/draft-focused goons. I typically don't start paying attention to the draft until the combine, and don't tend to think about prospects before that. I don't know if this is a strong/weak year for CBs/Ss/LBs/DTs/DEs/whatever. I think Doltos knows more about that poo poo?

Blitz7x posted:

Am I crazy or is there a gif of Vince Wilfork sliding on the ground like a whale

Please link me no questions asked tia

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Blarfk posted:

Is it already time for the annual "It is Impossible to Ethically Consume Media" PSA?

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Amy Pole Her posted:

My god I forgot Jaylon was on Dallas

How's his rehab coming?

Blitz7x posted:

I was trying to show the Wilfork whale slide gif to a coworker and I clicked Google image search and this popped up

Me: oh hey I recognize that art I know that artist

Coworker: wait you know the guy who drew that?

Me: haha yeah we post on the same football foru-actually nevermind I've never heard of him in my life

fyallm posted:

The latest I saw which was about a week ago, was that his nerve has started to regenerate...

"Yeah, it's regenerating," Smith said of his nerve in his left leg. "It's just a thing that you have to have patience. I'm going to continue to do everything I'm asked and controlling what I can control and we're going to take our time with it"

How does Smith know his nerve is regenerating in his leg? Is it because doctors have told him or is it something he's feeling now that he wasn't feeling before?

"Both. Doctors and tests all of that good stuff, feeling," Smith said. "There are things I didn't have before that I'm definitely getting now."



Supposedly everything is on track for him to be ready for the offseason, but I still doubt he will be 100% at the start of next season.

Intruder posted:

I have made over 58K posts in these dumb forums

One time I was describing something I'd seen on here while trying to be vague about where I saw it so as to not get any questions and someone nearby immediately walks over and says "Stairs?"

I just stared as blankly as I could and replied "What?"

seiferguy posted:

I remember like 8 years ago, I worked for a call center company, and a somewhat cute girl sent out a non-biz TGIF email with funny links to "brighten up our day" and one of them included a link to a thread in GBS about someone who lit a bee's nest on fire as a way to get rid of it. I replied to her e-mail about something something stairs in house, and she replied with "LOL I don't get it". Maybe she did, but didn't want to admit it.

fyallm posted:

5 year deal? No freaking way..

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Well I think the doctor was also tooting his own horn a bit as well. It definitely didn't make sense trying to play him this year in the playoffs when I don't really think he would of added enough to warrant the risk.

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Are you misspelling Morris last name on purpose? I had to look it up because every time I read your posts and I go to post I feel like I am spelling it wrong.

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Wilcox is so bad, I would be ok letting him walk.

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I mean, there aren't that many really good safety's coming out this year, so after Hooker, Jamal Adams, and Peppers it goes down alot... I would take maybe like Justin Evans with the second pick if we could. But I don't know. I should probably talk that chat to the actual draft thread

Amy Pole Her posted:

My god I forgot Jaylon was on Dallas

How's his rehab coming?

FizFashizzle posted:

God that was a great thread.

go go go go ROSCOE! posted:

seiferguy posted:

I'd go digging for it but I lost archives when I took my toxx

Intruder posted:

I have made over 58K posts in these dumb forums

One time I was describing something I'd seen on here while trying to be vague about where I saw it so as to not get any questions and someone nearby immediately walks over and says "Stairs?"

I just stared as blankly as I could and replied "What?"

Amy Pole Her posted:

Seriously tho, good hire. gently caress john elway

TheChirurgeon posted:

I could see that if he wasn't associated with the Cowboys. Seems like that's more likely to backfire if Smith ends up never able to play again. Now you not only didn't fix him, but you lied about it to your employer. Given the more recent reports. I doubt he was just 'tooting his own horn' on the issue.

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He's not good, but you can't replace everyone. Wilcox walks, and his replacement is...? Teams are often comfortable bringing back the mediocre guys they know over total unknown JAGs. And Wilcox is still miles ahead of Heath. No one thinks Wilcox should start, but you still need backup safeties. Is Wilcox a bad backup? I'm less certain of that.

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It's less about that and more about where safeties tend to be drafted. Over the last 5 years of drafts, the first safety has, on average, been drafted 26th, whereas the first CB has been drafted 8th, and two of those were drafted 33rd and 48th, respectively. Would you rather have a top 3 safety in the draft or the 8th best Cornerback? Remember that best-case scenario, Dallas drafts 32nd, and at the earliest, we'll be drafting 28th.

Intruder posted:

Hopefully Wilfork comes up just short and crushes Brady beneath his mass

fyallm posted:

I think even if he comes back at the start of next season, I think it would be too early and he is going to reinjury himself badly. But only time will tell I guess.


His replacement could be someone from the draft, not sure what is available in FA. Did Kavon even play any snaps this year? I can't remember

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That is what I am saying though, really there are only 3 saftey's I would even consider taking in the first round and they are really good, so I could see all 3 being gone before we get a pick, and after that I wouldn't feel that strong going with Evans.

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And holy poo poo I forgot about Charles Tapper. Any idea on how he is recovering?

Intruder posted:

I have made over 58K posts in these dumb forums

One time I was describing something I'd seen on here while trying to be vague about where I saw it so as to not get any questions and someone nearby immediately walks over and says "Stairs?"

I just stared as blankly as I could and replied "What?"

TheChirurgeon posted:

You seem to be operating under the assumption that Church will be back. If that wasn't 100% certain, would you really want to also be out his backup? Wilcox is bad, but he's not *that* bad.

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Yeah but check the chart. There's every reason to believe we'd get a top 3 safety, even with the #32 pick. The highest a #3 safety has gone in the past 5 years is #27, and that was the only time it happened in the first round.

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Tapper was placed on IR when it was revealed he had a pars defect in his lumbar spine. Basically a break in a specific portion of the bone that leads to separation of the front and back portions of the vertebra. Supposedly it's been something the's had for a long time, but went undiagnosed. Supposedly he's recovered and was healthy enough that the Cowboys considered activating him off IR, but chose to activate La'el Collins instead (they can only reactivate 1 player from IR). We'll see if he's any good next season.

fyallm posted:

5 year deal? No freaking way..

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

I just noticed that the profile page still has settings for ICQ, AIM and Yahoo. With any luck these will all finally be defunct by the end of 2017.

go go go go ROSCOE! posted:

Joe Woods (Broncos' DB coach) will be promoted to DC

fyallm posted:

I don't see why Church wouldn't want to come back given how strong the Cowboys are this year, and going to be even stronger next year, which means another superbowl run potentially. And Wilcox is bad, he hasn't been able to learn the position as having only played it a year at Georgia Southern. It was his 4th year this year in the league and still looked bad.''

From what I remember of Kavon coming out he had a learning curve as well, but I think it's worth trying him since Wilcox can't figure it out.

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The problem with this years draft is that Hooker is going to be taken in the top 10, Jamal will be taken 11-20, Peppers will be taken 20-30 if not earlier.

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Yeah I knew he had back problem, but I wasn't sure how he was recovering. Good to hear we considered activating him, from what I remember the kid looked like he had a really good shot at being a legit good DE.

Kalli posted:

God I hope not, I still use aim. I've got 3 windows open right now.

go go go go ROSCOE! posted:

Correction - DC is pretty much down to either Woods (in-house promotion) or Wade (contract renewal).

TheChirurgeon posted:

I ran some quick stats for this:

Avg. Draft Pick by position, first three picks, 2012 - 2016
Safety
1 - 25.6
2 - 35
3 - 51

Cornerback
1 - 7.8
2 - 11.8
17 - 17

Sataere posted:

The problem with analyzing it this way is it assumes all draft classes are equal in strength. Getting the eighth best cornerback could be better than the best safety prospect, depending on the relative strength of that position relative to the rest of the draft class.

From what I am reading, this is a good secondary class, so either way you should come out ahead.

TheChirurgeon posted:

Church may want to come back. But he'll have just had a great year on a 13-3 team. A team will probably offer him more money than the Cowboys are willing to offer, or more than we can afford. Cap space will be very, very tight for the team next year and so it's unlikely we'll be able to compete for free agents in a real fashion. Retaining Wilcox on the other hand, will be cheap. Church isn't in his prime, but at 28, he'll command one more big contract. He'll certainly get something more like the $4.5M he made this year and not the $900k he made on the first year of his deal.

Plus if you had to pick one, would you rather re-sign Church or Claiborne? I'd rather sign Claiborne, because...

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That straight up just doesn't happen. Over the last 5 years, no safety has gone in the top 10, and only 2 went in the top 15 (at 14th and 15th). There's only been one safety drafted in the top 5 since 1992 and that was Sean Taylor and only 7 drafted in the top 10 since 1991 (and none since 2007). Of those, only 2 were hits (Taylor and Turner), 3 were relative busts (Williams, Bates, Huff), and and the rest were merely OK (Landry, Whitner, Richard), which is probably a contributing factor in why it doesn't happen. Even if Hooker goes in the top 10, it's unlikely that all three will go in the first round. If it does, the Cowboys will have to adjust, but you asked me what I thought would happen, and I think Safety or Defensive End are more likely picks than CB based on where we are drafting. We'd be easier to re-sign Claiborne and drafting a safety than re-signing Church and attempting to draft a CB.

Note that the 2011 CBA has also helped push safeties down on the draft list--it is less risky to draft expensive positions earlier because of the rookie pay scale, which ensures that teams will be more likely to trade up to draft those positions.

the mean lunch lady posted:

It still works?!

fyallm posted:

2012 Mark Baron went 7th. 2013 Vaccaro went 15th and Reid went 18th, then 2 more went 32 and 33. 2014 3 saftey's were taken before the 28th pick. 2015 was the worst Saftey's class in forever. 2016 was another crappy saftey year but 2 still went before the 18th pick.

Kalli posted:

Yeah, I mean I use pidgin to tie in through oscar.aol.com, but yeah, it works.

TheChirurgeon posted:

I missed Baron, but that's not making a compelling case for taking a Safety in the top 10.

2015 may have been a "weak" class for safeties, but it still produced Landon Collins at the #33 pick.