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EvilHawk posted:What are you basing this off of? When has this ever happened? Or are you just trying to make poo poo up to back up your argument. It happened all the loving time, how insularly English can you be to not even notice the decades long battles between the top European clubs and the smaller national federations of the world in the 90s and 00s, every time international duty came up? It happened so often that the rule was introduced by FIFA, at the urging of just about everyone outside of UEFA. If you're asking about sticking to the letter of the law while violating the spirit, Chelsea setting up their 60 player squad loan-to-sell farm to generate profits as a way of beating FFP is a good example of what the enterprising businessmen and lawyers running those clubs can and will come up with. NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Jan 18, 2017 |
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EC10 posted:why does it make a difference if they get paid 12 million on january first once a year or 1 million a month? Dunno that it does? Perhaps it helps them keep their direct debits sorted out. I guess my point was about players getting paid to play for their country, they don't need to be as they're already getting paid. The reason clubs are succesful businesses and players are well paid is because of the success of organised football. To get that advantage everyone agreed that clubs release players to national sides when asked and the players go and play. Doesn't matter what some contract between club and player says.
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RideTheSpiral posted:then don't play for them 27 times and then sort of retire circumstances can change?
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To be perfectly clear I think the rule that a player is banned from club play if called to an international is good, I just don't think patriotic fetishism needs to enter the conversation. Liverpool can't play him, now it's up to him if he caps for Cameroon or not. If he plays, he should get paid a reimbursement for his literal job and the possibility of long term damage to his livelihood
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NTRabbit posted:And Liverpool was most definitely one of those clubs guilty of it. Sauce?
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dex_sda posted:To be perfectly clear I think the rule that a player is banned from club play if called to an international is good, I just don't think patriotic fetishism needs to enter the conversation. Liverpool can't play him, now it's up to him if he caps for Cameroon or not. If he plays, he should get paid a reimbursement for his literal job and the possibility of long term damage to his livelihood they only skip friendlies and even then its ridiculous that international football takes place during the season. this would never be a thing, outside of matip's strange circumstances, if this was the case. Either way fifa is rich as gently caress and can definitely afford to help poorer nations compensate their players and its a joke they don't. remember when togo got banned from international football because they pulled out of a tournament when their team bus got shot up
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RideTheSpiral posted:anyone who has to play for their country 'against their will' is a giant baby north koreans might be an exception. I like when they run away on internatonal duty e/ also those iraqis who got torutured by saddam's kid for losing or something
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NTRabbit posted:It happened all the loving time, how insularly English can you be to not even notice the decades long battles between the top European clubs and the smaller national federations of the world in the 90s and 00s, every time international duty came up? It happened so often that the rule was introduced by FIFA, at the urging of just about everyone outside of UEFA.
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Cpt. Mahatma Gandhi posted:CAF could also just move their continental tournament to the offseason like a normal federation I'd assumr large parts of Africa in June aren't exactly a treat as far as heat etc. go.
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NTRabbit posted:It happened all the loving time, how insularly English can you be to not even notice the decades long battles between the top European clubs and the smaller national federations of the world in the 90s and 00s, every time international duty came up? It happened so often that the rule was introduced by FIFA, at the urging of just about everyone outside of UEFA. I'm not sure how many times I need to say this. Matip is not dodging international duty. He does not want to play international football. At all. Why should he be obligated to?
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EvilHawk posted:I'm not sure how many times I need to say this. Matip is not dodging international duty. He does not want to play international football. At all. Why should he be obligated to? i honestly can't tell if you are pretending to not understand the rule you can disagree with it but cmon you can't be this stupid surely
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I believe NTRabbit must be from North Korea.
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JFairfax posted:I like when they run away on internatonal duty Half of Cuba's team defects to the USA during qualifiers every time.
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RideTheSpiral posted:i honestly can't tell if you are pretending to not understand the rule https://twitter.com/i/moments/821745402076688386 This is the situation as explained by a football lawyer. The two relevant points are 3) and 7).
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Xabi posted:Need the sauce for this as well. Have Liverpool fans forgotten the antagonism between Rodgers and Hodgson over Sturridge? There's also Wenger vs. Hodgson (again) over Wilshere. This was all in 2014. I remember both managers whined and cried about their players needing a long rest. IIRC, this was after they ran them into the ground, both before and after the friendly break.
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Gigi Galli posted:Half of Cuba's team defects to the USA during qualifiers every time. Who's the Cuban dude who played for Seattle forever? He defected by running away from the rest of his group while at a Walmart.
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Shroud posted:Have Liverpool fans forgotten the antagonism between Rodgers and Hodgson over Sturridge? The antagonism between Hodgson and Rodgers was because Sturridge got injured every time he played for England (usually because he was being called up when not fully fit). Again, this situation is completely different.
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This says a player can avoid international duty if they communicate in writing to the country before they're called up. Matip is in trouble because he never sent a letter to the Cameroon FA, he was selected for the provisional squad and then told them he wouldn't participate
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NTRabbit posted:Because you're representing your country? Is that concept really so hard to fathom? Patriotism is one step above Down's Syndrome.
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Mickolution posted:Patriotism is one step above Down's Syndrome. Being at all proud of your country is for RETARDS!!!
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Can't believe an Irish Liverpool plastic would say something unpatriotic.
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Mickolution posted:Patriotism is one step above Down's Syndrome. yes it is, but if you are a normal person with a working brain, you can enjoy your country playing football even if you are not otherwise a patriot.
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oliwan posted:yes it is, but if you are a normal person with a working brain, you can enjoy your country playing football even if you are not otherwise a patriot. lol of all people
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oliwan posted:yes it is, but if you are a normal person with a working brain, you can enjoy your country playing football even if you are not otherwise a patriot. which country would that be?
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I think this conversation has run its course, if you want to talk about how dumb international football is make another thread.
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ragle posted:This says a player can avoid international duty if they communicate in writing to the country before they're called up. Matip is in trouble because he never sent a letter to the Cameroon FA, he was selected for the provisional squad and then told them he wouldn't participate Oh that's a bit different then. I bet Liverpool will still get t-shirts made in support of him.
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#JeSuisJoel #FreeMatip #againstmodernfootball
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Dunno that it does? Perhaps it helps them keep their direct debits sorted out. what the loving gently caress lol
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back to talking about cool teams that are good like boro things aitor karanka is gona do after january 1. play negredo at number 10 2. sign bojan and play him as a winger 3. play bamford and stuani as wingers 4. play bamford and stuani as wingers in the same game. 5. play bamford 5 times before getting into an argument with him and freezing him out.
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wow, all this because Liverpoo fans are whinging over their crappy never win the league defence
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Manchester United topped the Money League, sounds like all those potato chip sponsorships paid off
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Jason Sextro posted:Manchester United topped the Money League, sounds like all those potato chip sponsorships paid off They also got it from a tractor.
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Business acumen.
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Business acumen. Stones 50m £ begs to differ
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Still better than David Luiz
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He actually plays well. Just needs to stop hammering free kicks into row z Let's throw Bravo into the pile of lol signings. At least Hart wasn't sold, just loaned out
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Daktari posted:He actually plays well. Just needs to stop hammering free kicks into row z Yeah, but everything he's said suggests they're going to sell him.
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Sucks for man city. He was way better for them last season, compared to Bravo this season. Bravo just doesn't save shots. Plus Hart is performing pretty garbage in Italy isn't he?
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Eau de MacGowan posted:Still better http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/18/20-best-premier-league-defenders-season-far/david-luiz-number-one/
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