Lladre posted:

It's why I tell people to go take a break from time to time.
No one listens though.

As far as that Shroud of Avatar housing thing. If you were a kickstarter backer, you get a tax exempt deed. So you never lose your place.
If you are a wealthy filthy non backer you can buy a deed but have to pay taxes or it will revert back to unowned.

Erenthal posted:

Well duh, you would know that if you knew anything about game development...



Houses are separate.



Basements are separate as well.

JugbandDude posted:

Is that real world dollars? Pretty expensive poo poo.

Mangoose posted:

Whoa, the Twilight Zone... vote Trump, I guess

JugbandDude posted:

Is that real world dollars? Pretty expensive poo poo.

Drunk Theory posted:

Ha, kidding me. Those houses are affordable.

Erenthal posted:

Furnishings are extra. Table, 5 dollar. Chair, 3 dollar. Fireplace, 15 dollar. Plant, 10 dollar.

Drunk Theory posted:

Ha, kidding me. Those houses are affordable. Most don't even cost a Hornet. None of them cost more than a Constellation. Hell, most of those prices are like 10% of an Idris. Small potatoes in the virtual goods that don't and never will exist sphere.

Nicholas posted:

The "Shroud of the Avatar" screenshots made me curious about what other people thought about the game, since I grew up with Ultima, and this article from 2013 is loving spot on and every bit as relevant to CR

http://techland.time.com/2013/03/11/before-you-drop-money-on-richard-garriotts-shroud-of-the-avatar/


The author, Matt Peckham, also wrote an article about SC back in 2014

http://time.com/61431/check-out-12-minutes-of-star-citizen-not-being-the-game-youll-play/


Nothing has changed.

Matt Peckham posted:

And so I’ll stand by, hoping for the best, preparing for the worst, and mostly hoping that the game’s going to be more than the sum of its cliched bullet points, e.g. “fully interactive virtual world,” “classless character system,” “player housing,” “crafting system that avoids busy work,” “meaningful PvP that also minimizes griefing” and so forth — all stuff we’ve been living with, and in several cases celebrating, for over a decade.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

This isn't a question of "they plan to do it and it doesn't go exactly that way". They "plan to do it" and then nothing even remotely close to what they plan actually happens. This has been true of nearly ever aspect of this project, from major release dates (Squadron 42 in 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017?) to the nature of scope, schedule, and funding ("full functionality sooner rather than later" to ""when the scope changes, the amount of time it will take to deliver all the features naturally increases"). They plan on LTI being limited to early backers until they make it available to everyone with new concept sales. They plan on livestreams starting on time and then they never do. They planned on Star Marine (multiple times), they planned on using Illfonic's work (whoops), they planned on all the various ships (until they're repeatedly refactored), they planned on Star Marine being "weeks, not months away", they planned on countless things that simply don't happen. That's not game development, that's throwing poo poo against a wall and seeing what sticks.

My background is a technical field. I spend a lot of time working on things that nobody has ever done before, iterating on design concepts, and developing technical solutions to extremely difficult problems. I am very much aware of how difficult it is to maintain a schedule when there's uncertainty. I am not a game developer, but I can imagine the combination of pushing a technical envelope and the art of making something that's actually fun (as opposed to merely functional) compounds that difficulty. That said game development is a profession and part of that competency is being able to accurately estimate workload and schedule. If the schedule is not met then there's a problem, either with the projection, the project management, or the scope of the game. It's not okay that CIG repeatedly says they expect one thing and then fail to have it happen, and they certainly shouldn't be rewarded for their efforts. Plenty of actual game developers have come into this very thread and lambasted CIG for their terrible practices.

A constantly shifting scope is not a good thing. Look up the documentary on DOOM 2016, or listen to the commentary of developers like Mitch Gitelman (Harebrained Schemes, makers of Shadowrun and now working on BATTLETECH), Jake Solomon (X-COM and X-COM 2), Rob Irving (formerly of CIG now working at Descendent Studios), or our own Martin Anward (Game Director for Stellaris and The Wiz here on SA). All of them talk about having extremely tight, extremely focused visions and how difficult it is to say no to a good idea. Mitch put it perfectly; "Focus equals quality". In DOOM they talk about how "push forward gaming" became one of the defining mantras of the game; everything needed to be about pushing the player forward and maintaining the action. Star Citizen has no mantra, it has no focus, it has no vision. It's a muddled pile of half-formed ideas and hand-waved wishes that's constantly changing whenever new technology shows up or a new game does something better. Chris himself even admitted that they couldn't quantify what the expanding scope actually meant, which is why they stopped providing stretch goals. In fact things are so hosed that they can't even provide the features that were originally promised. Drop-in drop-out co-op is removed from Squadron 42. Private servers will not be part of release, and development of private servers and modding will be "literally the last thing we do" according to Jared. Not every ship will be available when the game is released, nor will there be 100 solar systems. The only thing CIG has committed to is reducing scope, not increasing it. And now they've admitted they don't even have enough money to deliver it.

You're funding a fraud. CIG lacks the professional discipline necessary to even deliver the original scope of the game, let alone this massive clusterfuck of ambition that backers are expecting. You see their constant failures as natural signs of game development, even though they're the only ones who control scope and schedule and have had five years to understand the problems and get a sense of where things are. There is nothing normal about what they're doing, and they absolutely deserve to be mocked for their failings. The problem is that the people who should be criticizing them are you, not us.

SelenicMartian posted:

Ben totally still works there

TrustmeImLegit posted:

I still can't believe he named his official website Roberts Space Industries.com

Krycek posted:

Good. The nazis need more carpets anyways.

Erenthal posted:

Well duh, you would know that if you knew anything about game development...



Houses are separate.



Basements are separate as well.

Spatial posted:

moveable shape posted:

Sappo569 posted:

gently caress Sandi looks 20 years older in those pics

And Chris just looks high as a kite

Makeup person gonna get fired tomorrow?

Beet Wagon posted:

ManofManyAliases posted:

People care way too much about a loving video game, tbh.

ManofManyAliases posted:

Do you guys feel safe and comfortable that Derek is protecting you from KF? Oh poo poo - I'm a goon too, right?

ManofManyAliases posted:

If anything, Derek is persistent. I think you're right.

Erenthal posted:

Basements are separate as well.