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Asimo posted:Yeah, the only real value of a circus was basically finding a way to waste a day with a novel diversion, and that basically became obsolete once the television rolled around. Let alone the internet. I don't know if OSHA had anything to do with it. They were the ones that told SeaWorld that no, it is not OK to expose your employees to the risk of being killed by animals.
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CubanMissile posted:Are there fifty articles now blaming millenials for killing the circus?
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Bonzo posted:We interrupt Teacher Derail Chat to tell you that American Apparel is closing stores. This is from 2015
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Boywhiz88 posted:This is from 2015 It stopped the derail though. Anyway, here http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/American-Apparel-to-close-all-of-its-stores-10857158.php
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I bought some Gildan undershirts from Walmart months ago and they're poo poo. I am 100% sure Gildan will pump out a ton of low cost manure with the American Apparel label, made by the lowest paid employees on substandard machinery in the dankest factory they can find.
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I last took my kid to a Shriner circus. They still have people who look like truck stop employees getting into cages with tigers so that's kind of cool. I don't mind the circus closing, but it was an unique throwback in that everything still traveled by rail and they have to literally find housing for some of their employees because they have no homes and just lived in the circus. The article I read said some employees would find work in the parent company's other traveling shows. So the Frozen on Ice staff better get ready for some hot carny action.
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I'm glad I got to go to the Barnum & Bailey circus when I was younger. I don't remember a whole lot about the actual show, but I do remember coming home with a sweet sword/flashlight thing and some cool glow-in-the-dark rings.
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Jan 18, 2017 22:03
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I mostly remember that goat they glued a horn to and called an unicorn.
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Strategic Tea posted:...Fireworks displays?... I would totally go to the traveling fireworks display. gently caress this twice a year, national birthday and new years poo poo. I want to watch some in loving march.
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SomeJazzyRat posted:I would totally go to the traveling fireworks display. gently caress this twice a year, national birthday and new years poo poo. I want to watch some in loving march. Move to Orlando and you can see them every day. Even from your house if you want. Or don't want but your neighbors don't care what you think. Also at Disney World.
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Zero One posted:Move to Orlando and you can see them every day. The public can't buy the really good fireworks anymore, though. 
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Asimo posted:Yeah, the only real value of a circus was basically finding a way to waste a day with a novel diversion, and that basically became obsolete once the television rolled around. Let alone the internet. The internet is actually what did it. All the stuff you went to the circus to see you can just watch on demand on YouTube now. On demand video is causing all sorts of financial misery for so much of the entertainment industry. All the animal rights criticism also didn't help. The internet of course had its hand in that too; suddenly it became balls easy for people to find out just how terribly the animals get treated by the circus. That and people are overall realizing just how smart some animals are; elephants especially. When a video of a rather bright animal being chained to a concrete floor all alone "until its will is broken" actually bothers a significant amount of people.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The internet is actually what did it. All the stuff you went to the circus to see you can just watch on demand on YouTube now. On demand video is causing all sorts of financial misery for so much of the entertainment industry. Don't doxx my job
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whiteyfats posted:The public can't buy the really good fireworks anymore, though. Legally maybe. I'm sure there's ways to buy sickass illegal ones like my dad used to back in the day. I mean, we can order poo poo online like murderlasers and knives that explodes things after they're stabbed
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I think you can cross the state line to either Georgia or Alabama and still get good ones, but I may be wrong.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:All the animal rights criticism also didn't help. The internet of course had its hand in that too; suddenly it became balls easy for people to find out just how terribly the animals get treated by the circus. That and people are overall realizing just how smart some animals are; elephants especially. When a video of a rather bright animal being chained to a concrete floor all alone "until its will is broken" actually bothers a significant amount of people. The irony is it only bothered people who were not attending circuses. When they cut out the elephants Ringling Brothers a business-killing drop in ticket sales because circus-goers wanted to see some loving elephants. They were going to go out of business regardless anyway, but they definitely sped it along by trying to be all progressive. I kind of want to see a Venn diagram of Circus-goers and Trump supporters.
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Krispy Kareem posted:The irony is it only bothered people who were not attending circuses. When they cut out the elephants Ringling Brothers a business-killing drop in ticket sales because circus-goers wanted to see some loving elephants. Not abusing animals is "trying to be all progressive?"
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Senor Dog posted:Not abusing animals is "trying to be all progressive?" When abusing animals is the norm.
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The UniverSoul Circus is still around, apparently. http://www.universoulcircus.com/
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Krispy Kareem posted:The irony is it only bothered people who were not attending circuses. When they cut out the elephants Ringling Brothers a business-killing drop in ticket sales because circus-goers wanted to see some loving elephants. I think a bigger factor is that they didn't really have the talent to replace the elephant acts. Cirque du Soleil essentially has all of the high-end acrobatic talent in North America on lock. They pay better and are more prestigious (not to mention that having a chance to have a steady life in Vegas is better than touring all summer). You could replace an elephant act with a "holy poo poo that's awesome" A-level trapeze/high-wire/etc act, but those kind of acts aren't around anymore. (They still had good acrobatic acts, but didn't have the world-class kind of acts they would need to replace something like elephants and lions.)
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Krispy Kareem posted:I kind of want to see a Venn diagram of Circus-goers and Trump supporters. 
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Feld has a bunch of other properties going, like Monster Jam and assorted licensed shows. I don't think the circus folding is a big loss for them, but I might be mistaken.
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Double Punctuation posted:Feld has a bunch of other properties going, like Monster Jam and assorted licensed shows. I don't think the circus folding is a big loss for them, but I might be mistaken. They run the Disney/Marvel On Ice stuff too, so they're going to be just fine. They'll probably shuffle some of their ex-circus workers into those productions.
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Circuses also used to be more like a fair- you had the main tent with the big acts, and also the sideshow, and dancing girls (pseudo-strippers basically), and magic acts, and so on. There are still street fairs and county fairs and such, all that's died is the three ring "elephants and clowns and tightrope acts" stuff.
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Clothing retailer Wet Seal is shutting down. It had 171 stores.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I mostly remember that goat they glued a horn to and called an unicorn. Seems to me it would be cheaper to just cut off one of it's horns.
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The other day I stopped by a KMart on my way home since it's closing and there was a dude with a table just inside trying to pitch subscriptions to the local paper. I thought it was kind of fitting to find one dying business inside another.
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Greatbacon posted:The other day I stopped by a KMart on my way home since it's closing and there was a dude with a table just inside trying to pitch subscriptions to the local paper. Is that unique? I see the newspaper guy a lot in the local Kroger.
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Rough Lobster posted:Legally maybe. I'm sure there's ways to buy sickass illegal ones like my dad used to back in the day. I mean, we can order poo poo online like murderlasers and knives that explodes things after they're stabbed I didn't initially read the post you quoted and assumed you were talking about elephants.  Just saw a sign on the road that said the local K-Mart is closing. I'll be in the same plaza grocery shopping tomorrow and may check it out. Edit: went and it was really underwhelming and not worth posting a real trip report over. Basically anything worth a drat was already gone and the rest of it wasn't worth the % off. It was slightly less messy than expected and much busier than I'd ever seen it. Quiet Feet has a new favorite as of 23:28 on Jan 28, 2017 |
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Bye Bye HMV Canada. Overpriced CD's, overpriced DVD's and then overpriced thinkgeek poo poo. *salutes toilet as it flushes* http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/struggling-hmv-canada-goes-into-receivership-1.3956302
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CrcleSqreSanchz posted:overpriced thinkgeek poo poo. Well at least I can get the same quality merch at EB/GameStop
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CrcleSqreSanchz posted:Bye Bye HMV Canada. Overpriced CD's, overpriced DVD's and then overpriced thinkgeek poo poo. As an American fan of the Matthew Good Band, I have fond memories of buying music online from HMV back in the day because they often had stuff that wasn't released in the US for about what it would've cost of it had been. This is when the exchange rates meant that any order with more than 2-3 items was cheaper than Amazon. Eventually I switched to MyMusic.ca, which effectively used this sort of currency arbitrage as their entire business model. That was certainly a different era.
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Decrepus posted:I don't know if OSHA had anything to do with it. They were the ones that told SeaWorld that no, it is not OK to expose your employees to the risk of being killed by animals. I'm on board with a lot of the other reasons for not liking marine mammal parks, but when I read "Death at Sea World" this sort of felt like a dick move from OSHA specifically to target them. If you can't be in the water with whales because they MIGHT go crazy on someone from time to time, why hasn't OSHA shut down PBR when Bushwhacker and his colleagues come out of the gate fully intending to buck, stomp, gore, the bullrider within eight seconds EVERY SINGLE loving TIME?
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You could make the argument that PBR has appropriate safety precautions in place and marine parks don't and frankly probably cant
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I feel like there's a lot of qualitative difference between deciding you're going to be a rodeo bullrider and then having a bull do exactly what you chose to make the bull do on purpose, vs being a teenager taking a summer job at a theme park and then getting surprise-eaten by an orca?
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InediblePenguin posted:I feel like there's a lot of qualitative difference between deciding you're going to be a rodeo bullrider and then having a bull do exactly what you chose to make the bull do on purpose, vs being a teenager taking a summer job at a theme park and then getting surprise-eaten by an orca? I'm pretty sure they don't let teenage summer help in the water with the orcas. I think it was one of the trainers who was killed.
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Bull and bronc riding anticipate that the animal is going to be hostile and make allowances for that; riders wear safety gear and there's a whole system for preventing goring and trampling. And even then, the biggest danger is a bad landing when you're thrown. I don't know what allowances you can make for not getting eaten by apex-predator of the sea that isn't just stay away.
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there wolf posted:Bull and bronc riding anticipate that the animal is going to be hostile and make allowances for that; riders wear safety gear and there's a whole system for preventing goring and trampling. And even then, the biggest danger is a bad landing when you're thrown. Those clown fellows at the rodeo seem on the ball, lets toss a few in the tank and see how they fare.
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PallasAthene posted:I'm on board with a lot of the other reasons for not liking marine mammal parks, but when I read "Death at Sea World" this sort of felt like a dick move from OSHA specifically to target them. If you can't be in the water with whales because they MIGHT go crazy on someone from time to time, why hasn't OSHA shut down PBR when Bushwhacker and his colleagues come out of the gate fully intending to buck, stomp, gore, the bullrider within eight seconds EVERY SINGLE loving TIME? You're right. That should be done away with too.
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Krispy Kareem posted:I'm pretty sure they don't let teenage summer help in the water with the orcas. I think it was one of the trainers who was killed. Yeah, she was a senior trainer who'd been working there for years. The whale that got her was one that nobody was allowed in the water with because he had a history of incidents. The book talks about how leading up to that there were quite a few injuries that were regular "20 foot whale bumped into me at 15 mph and broke my nose because he was looking at a fish the other trainer was holding" type stuff. Enough that even if a newbie had no idea that they were called "killer whales" before "orca" became the preferred term, there would still be no question that they were dangerous. I'm not going out of my way to defend Sea World...I hate seeing a goldfish in a non-filtered/aerated bowl, I can imagine how much it sucks to be a whale in a tank that small...I just got the feeling that OSHA thing was their way of "This'll shut 'em down" by "protecting people" on a sort of case by case/subjective basis, instead of just working to get rid of the marine mammal parks from the ground up. Zesty Crab Legs posted:You're right. That should be done away with too. I'm not sure if you're trolling me, but if OSHA came out and said "Any job where you're in close contact with potentially dangerous animals as a form of entertainment is now over with for the employees' safety" then I'd get it. To me, it's like saying "Commercial tuna fishing boats are dangerous to the occupants and nobody can use them anymore...However, commercial swordfishing boats, which have similar incident statistics, will remain legal." But I only read one book about it. For all I know, bull riders, snake charmers, lion tamers, and Miccosukee alligator wrestlers have a powerful dangerous animal lobby in DC that Sea World never had the sense to join.
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