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Rhyno posted:Ladies ruin everything. It was in DS9 before it was in Nemesis. 
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Well, more accurately, Farrell didn't want to do 26 episodes a year any more, and tried to negotiate a reduced commitment of something like 8-13 episodes. (I just loaned my Fifty Year Mission out so I can't get the exact quote.) Apparently Rick Berman flipped out and told her it was all or nothing, so she left. Ira Behr claims that if he'd been made aware of any of this at the time, he would have fought to let her do the reduced schedule and keep her on the show. That makes sense. In that case, what a dick. DS9 is an ensemble cast anyway and it's much easier to bench people than Voyager or TNG would be. Granted the marriage would made it a little awkward and the finale prep is coming that season, but it's easy as hell to call it a special mission for Starfleet and leave it at that.
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Feb 5, 2017 20:21
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Yeah, just have an episode early on in the season where Jadzia gets sent off on a special mission for Starfleet Intelligence or something, maybe tie it in to the Section 31 plot, have her gone half the season, and have her come back for the finale arc. Someone hire me to write Discovery.
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Feb 5, 2017 20:35
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Pakled posted:It was in DS9 before it was in Nemesis. and was in Insurrection first.
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Feb 5, 2017 20:39
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As people said in response to my Maquis question, if they had bothered to put more depth into their struggle it might have made them more sympathetic. The show just has them as arrogant jerks that assumed they deserved to have wars fought to protect their shitball colonies. Though someone mentioned that the colonists there seemed to want to get away from the Federation, but that was never explored. It seems like you have pretty much unlimited freedom to do whatever you want in the federation. Want to be a musician and play in a band? Go for it! Want to write novels, do it! Want to sit around and gently caress holograms, just wipe it off when you leave. Maybe they sought to make a harder life for themselves in some weird attempt to capture a rugged individualism of the past.
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Feb 5, 2017 20:39
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Kind of reminds me of the final season of Charmed. "We've been told to cut the budget. Fire all the male regular cast members." "Uh... but one of them is both the husband of one of the heroines and the father of her children, and also the literal angel who connects them to the higher powers of the universe and heals them when they get near-fatally wounded as happens on a regular basis?" "...okay, come up with some bullshit reason why he can't be there for half the episodes." [Leo is frozen in ice for some bullshit reason]
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Feb 5, 2017 20:50
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twistedmentat posted:Maybe they sought to make a harder life for themselves in some weird attempt to capture a rugged individualism of the past. Even this doesn't work, because the Federation was totally willing to just relocate them to some other dumpy planet with as little or as much help as they'd like.
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Feb 5, 2017 21:05
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twistedmentat posted:As people said in response to my Maquis question, if they had bothered to put more depth into their struggle it might have made them more sympathetic. The show just has them as arrogant jerks that assumed they deserved to have wars fought to protect their shitball colonies. Well, people in the Federation are free to do whatever they want except not be part of the Federation. I mean, Earth must be crazy crowded with lots of cultures constantly intermixing and people coming and going and commuting to work from the other side of the planet. It would be hard to maintain a "village" feel in a community and groups that are trying to avoid assimilation might simply leave. I mean, this is a setting where French people all speak English and religion hardly seems to exist, so if you're a traditionalist who wants to hold onto your culture distinctiveness, the big Fed worlds might not be for you. I think it's telling that most of the weirdo colonists we've seen have had a separatist streak of one sort or another. We get Space Irish primitivists, weird cloning cults, Indian back-to-the-landers and on and on, but the common theme is that these people want to live in a community that controls its own destiny (and population, to an extent) and doesn't want annoying Star Fleet types butting in. As for resettlement, if the colonizing project itself is what brought these communities together, than it's not inconceivable that the group would fracture entirely as soon as people were back in the Feddie mainstream. At which point, the colonists would have basically wasted years of their lives.
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Feb 5, 2017 21:12
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It tries to play on actual historical themes of people forcibly displaced by the government but fails to create the same context. Like when Canada scoops up a bunch of first nations and dropped them off in the far far north in order to both get rid of them and help "stake a claim" on the area to populate it and then didn't really give them supplies much help because "nah those eskimos know how to survive up there they'll be fine" that was not a good thing to do. The Maquis are more like a bunch of english colonists that wanted to move into a disputed territory and england specifically told them "hey guys please don't settle there that area is a political clusterfuck and we don't have set borders yet" and the english settlers responded by thumbing their noses and saying "gently caress you dad we're settling this area all by our selves we're totally independent!!!" and then when it turned out spain also had settlers in the area and the whole thing triggered a war and then a peace treaty that established logical borders some colonists found them selves on the wrong side of the border and started flipping out and demanding england go back to war with spain over it. These aren't poor oppressed natives, they're colonizers mad their mother country isn't imperialisming enough on their behalf. They also demand their autonomy and independence, but only when it suits them. They want the federation to wage a bloody war on their behalf but don't want any re-settlement help because "We build this all by our selves! No outside help!!!" They are man-children who grew up in Utopia and want a play-struggle.
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Feb 5, 2017 21:19
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Well, if you swap Engand and Spain in your example with the US and Mexico, you basically get the Texas revolution and the Mexican-American war, except in that case, the settlers' plan actually worked.
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Feb 5, 2017 21:27
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Trickjaw posted:and was in Insurrection first. I meant Insurrection.
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Feb 5, 2017 21:53
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Duckbag posted:Well, if you swap Engand and Spain in your example with the US and Mexico, you basically get the Texas revolution and the Mexican-American war, except in that case, the settlers' plan actually worked. One weird trick to get every dyed-in-the-wool Texan really really pissed at you when they pull that "we can secede whenever it's in the state constitution DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS" jibe.
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Feb 5, 2017 22:29
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Other Enterprise season 3 observation: I dislike whenever there is "ground" combat and our good guys are in a pickle or are confronted by an aggressive laser/phaser/disruptor wielding, armored/shielded/vastly alien foe, the ad nauseam method of dealing with it is to... throw a concussive flashbang at them? And it always works? And it is never adapted to or deviated from? 
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Feb 5, 2017 23:21
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Getting flashbanged loving sucks on levels that are hard to really describe (unless you just want to swear for like half an hour), to be fair. That said, yeah, every single fight is resolved by that, and it gets old around the fourth time they do it. E: It actually kind of reminds of A-Team in a way. Where all the shootouts are resolved by just throwing and firing poo poo in the general vicinity of the enemy until they tip over. Enterprise at least has them shoot the guy properly. Orv fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Feb 6, 2017 00:05
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McSpanky posted:One weird trick to get every dyed-in-the-wool Texan really really pissed at you when they pull that "we can secede whenever it's in the state constitution DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS" jibe. Yeah, but they tried that once and it didn't work out.
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Feb 6, 2017 00:05
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I guess someone brought a copy of XCOM 2 on the mission.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOP4tUayLq4
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 Dr Bashir. gently caress you mom and dad, I stopped calling myself Jules the day I found out what you'd done to me! Jules died in that hospital because you couldn't live with the shame of having a son who just didn't measure up! You killed everything Jules was when he was in the first grade!"Hey Bashir my brother Kurn just isn't measuring up. He's passed out drunk in my quarters, could you wipe his memory, destroy his personality, and kill everything he is so his amnesiac rear end can be someone else's problem?"  Oh good that will save me some cash on the anesthetic, can I mindwipe anyone else while I'm there?Edit: Sisko too. "Mr Worf you had better hope he lives or you'll be charged with murder. I don't care about your rituals and I don't care about your culture and I don't care if he wants to die, you're a starfleet officer." "K how bout I get him drunk and surgically destroy his mind but he's still technically alive" "Lol do it" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Feb 6, 2017 03:52
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Well, to be fair, Kurn was going to kill himself.
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I wonder if that's the standard treatment for depression and suicidal thoughts in the Federation. Like when O'Brien was going to kill himself over his guilt about murdering his fake cellmate in that fake mind prison was Bashir thinking "Oh Jesus if I can't get him to see a therapist I'm going to have to mind wipe him and send his rear end on a one-way trip to that planet of Irish stereotypes and repressed cloners." That's why everyone in Starfleet is such a creepy well-adjusted cardboard person. If you're not they wipe brain until you get it right. Barclay's on the edge. E: Oh jeez he probably was, he even brought it up to Keiko. "Hey remember when Pulaski and Crusher wiped specific memories of seeing aliens from species whose brain chemistry were similar to humans, well neither do the writers, so I can either give O'Brien therapy or erase his brain just sayin" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Feb 6, 2017 04:07
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Rhyno posted:Ladies ruin everything. Oh my innocent friend, it goes so much deeper than that. quote:A pair of longtime Next Generation fans have decided to live long and prosper together in a civil ceremony that's was as sweet and geeky as you can imagine. Infinite diversity in infinite combinations, indeed.   Awwwwwww.....wait.... quote:A sci-fi fanatic who fraudulently claimed £16,000 in benefits was caught after photographs of her Star Trek-themed civil ceremony to her partner were published in a newspaper.
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Feb 6, 2017 04:20
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MikeJF posted:Not a huge Sovvy fan but I like it here I forgot how mental that guys CG talent was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEUG_ibsZck The other few videos on his channel are stunning.
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Feb 6, 2017 07:48
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Mental Hospitality posted:I forgot how mental that guys CG talent was. Watching stuff like this is painful because it's yet another reminder that we'll never see the full series like this. Just fan-made clips on YouTube. 
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Feb 6, 2017 07:56
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Holy poo poo. This is straight up pornography. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJs0-hhOZFQ
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Feb 6, 2017 08:03
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skooma512 posted:I guess someone brought a copy of XCOM 2 on the mission. In some alternate universe where people still make Star Trek games there must be a pretty great XCOM 2 clone that replaces the Avenger with the Enterprise and your soldiers with redshirt away teams.
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Feb 6, 2017 08:36
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Delsaber posted:In some alternate universe where people still make Star Trek games there must be a pretty great XCOM 2 clone that replaces the Avenger with the Enterprise and your soldiers with redshirt away teams. There was a Commandos style Star Trek game, Away Force I think. Not great sadly.
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Feb 6, 2017 08:44
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Away Team. I enjoyed it, but yeah, not fantastic. It had a pretty ridiculous plot.
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Feb 6, 2017 09:17
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Somebody takes over Starfleet Academy or HQ or something and you have to go in and phaser murder a bunch of mind-controlled cadets or something? It's been a while.
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Feb 6, 2017 11:47
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I came in here to learn about what's going on with the new star trek and when is it supposed to start, or if it was canceled or what, and you nerds are still arguing about characters from DS9.
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quote:I came in here to learn about what's going on with the new star trek and when is it supposed to start, or if it was canceled or what, and you nerds are still arguing about characters from DS9. Timby posted:So ... what's Star Trek: Discovery?
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Feb 6, 2017 12:32
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How the gently caress did they land on "fungi specialist" as one of the main characters?
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Feb 6, 2017 12:53
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dont even fink about it posted:(Reposting page 1 for my dumb rear end) Man, that is a whole lot of disappointment contained in a single show.
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Feb 6, 2017 12:55
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PostNouveau posted:How the gently caress did they land on "fungi specialist" as one of the main characters? Presumably that's his speciality, which they'll forget about after episode 3 after he becomes Generic Science Officer.
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Feb 6, 2017 13:00
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Gawain The Blind posted:Man, that is a whole lot of disappointment contained in a single show. Don't worry. If you're in the US, you won't be able to watch it anyway. Problem solved!
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Feb 6, 2017 13:00
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Gawain The Blind posted:Man, that is a whole lot of disappointment contained in a single show. It is actually only 2-3 pages ago, Timby is basically the only one doing his homework while a couple of posters are putting themselves through the bad Star Trek shows for some reason.
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The_Doctor posted:Presumably that's his speciality, which they'll forget about after episode 3 after he becomes Generic Science Officer. I can't wait because he's got a stupid specialty for a main character. Or maybe every episode will revolve around fungi.
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I honestly don't know why they are taking the focus away from the captain. You're now starting with characters who by definition have less agency.
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PostNouveau posted:I can't wait because he's got a stupid specialty for a main character. It's the most realistic bit of the show to me. So he did a dumb PhD thesis. It's not like you get a Doctorate Of General Sciency Stuff.
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dont even fink about it posted:I honestly don't know why they are taking the focus away from the captain. You're now starting with characters who by definition have less agency. I dunno, the first officer is still probably in charge of a lot of situations. The thing is, they're still going to cast a captain, and so the captain's going to be in the ensemble, and you've got first officer and science officer, so how big a departure is it really? Sounds like they're going to end up with a bridge crew all the same. If they want to give it a new perspective, they should get reallll far away from the bridge. How about some enlisted crew? The guys shoveling the dilithium into the chambers and dying on away missions. MikeJF posted:It's the most realistic bit of the show to me. So he did a dumb PhD thesis. It's not like you get a Doctorate Of General Sciency Stuff. Based on all the other science officers, I think you can get a Doctorate of General Sciency Stuff. And the engineers get them too. And whiz kid ensigns. PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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I'm sure the new guy will have studied general sciency stuff and be qualified all over general sciency stuff too. But everyone's got a weird speciality.
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