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The unfortunate thing is in El Dorado County, CA, that kind of messaging really plays. You see plenty of Confederate flags and get talks about those people unprompted (if you're white and male) there. It sucks. Maybe related, meth and oxy are two of the areas favorite hobbies 
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What would the exact liberal tea party look like? I mean the platform of "EAT THE RICH!" Doesn't seem to be nearly as... suicidal?... self-harming? as " DONT GIVE POORS WHATS MINE! GIVE JOB CREATORS OUR MONEY SO THEY MAY PEE IT ON US LATER*" *even though they themselves are poor who don't have "mine" in the first place.
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KildarX posted:What would the exact liberal tea party look like? Yeah, but people internalize wealth, while they externalize poverty. Folks feel more threatened by a movement that says it's coming for the rich, even though they're not rich. They feel less threatened by folks openly saying "Let's turn the loving poor into tires.", because you're less likely to consider yourself poor, even though all it takes is a failing paycheck to put you in the street. /welp, didn't read your last line
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Yeah, but people internalize wealth, while they externalize poverty. So it's like being a corncob except with financial status instead of owned status? The amount of denial you have to be in would have to be staggering.
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Remember all the outrage against the Obama "Apology Tour"? Right now the POTUS and VPOTUS are apologizing to one of the shittiest countries on earth and refusing to stick up for the US.
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Casimir Radon posted:Remember all the outrage against the Obama "Apology Tour"? Right now the POTUS and VPOTUS are apologizing to one of the shittiest countries on earth and refusing to stick up for the US. But Russia so strong! We should team up and rule the world!
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Feb 5, 2017 20:49
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Current event (sorta), the USS Gerald Ford is testing its jet catapult by chucking cars into the water. Yay! https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/828234422923063298
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Casimir Radon posted:Remember all the outrage against the Obama "Apology Tour"? Right now the POTUS and VPOTUS are apologizing to one of the shittiest countries on earth and refusing to stick up for the US. I think the last two weeks have been a real eye opener that White Privilege most certainly DOES exist. I mean, imagine if Obama had been saying half of what Trump has been announcing. Imagine if Obama got up on a major news network and excused loving Russia by saying the U.S. is lovely too? You'd probably would have had a legit coup against his presidency. If not that, Congress would have impeached him within a month.
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planting the seeds of dismantling the judiciary once the inevitable mass shooting or terrorist attack happens https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828342202174668800 BLAME THE JUDGES
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:planting the seeds of dismantling the judiciary once the inevitable mass shooting or terrorist attack happens Can't wait for people to be all Trump did _____________________ and be right 
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Feb 5, 2017 22:01
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Trump supporters brought pacifiers at "protest" in support of Trump to show anti-trump protesters what babies they're being.  https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/828319065441656832
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I think the last two weeks have been a real eye opener that White Privilege most certainly DOES exist. I mean, imagine if Obama had been saying half of what Trump has been announcing. Imagine if Obama got up on a major news network and excused loving Russia by saying the U.S. is lovely too? You'd probably would have had a legit coup against his presidency. If not that, Congress would have impeached him within a month. Good point. Someone needs to repost Donnies posts with everything else dated back 4 years and Obama image.
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Pence likely to break the tie with his vote for DeVos: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/05/mike-pence-betsy-devos-cabinet-tie-breaking-vote 
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SwampDonkey posted:Trump supporters brought pacifiers at "protest" in support of Trump to show anti-trump protesters what babies they're being. They're very.. stupid aren't they. I mean actually stupid. As in that dumb kid you knew at school who'd run away from the sound of car stupid. No self awareness at all.
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Capn Beeb posted:Pence likely to break the tie with his vote for DeVos: Its not 50-50 anymore. Jeff Sessions is no longer a senator. Its 49-50 right now.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Its not 50-50 anymore. Jeff Sessions is no longer a senator. Its 49-50 right now. Nope, Sessions is still a senator and hasn't been confirmed as AG. Knowing that, Sessions's confirmation vote is being held AFTER DeVos's vote. Sessions doesn't stop being a senator until he officially takes the AG job, which he doesn't have yet. So, still 50-50.
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congrats on your new jesus based charter school system  edit: it'll go great with a completely unregulated drugs industry: quote:President Trump’s vow to overhaul the Food and Drug Administration could bring major changes in policy, including steps to accelerate the process of approving new prescription drugs, setting up a clash with critics who say his push for deregulation might put consumers at risk. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/health/with-fda-vacancy-trump-sees-chance-to-speed-drugs-to-the-market.html I'm sure people will enjoy all the wonderful new side effects and guesswork this brings along. Missionary Positron fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Feb 5, 2017 |
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Feb 5, 2017 22:37
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 Epipens are too expensive! But the Epipen alternatives have all been blocked by the FDA? WHAT, DO YOU WANT A COMPLETELY UNREGULATED DRUG INDUSTRY?!? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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This might be your laziest crazy-post yet. Are you OK?
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Trump can not, for the life of him, back off his voter fraud bullshit. Pence to head the panel investigating it. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-voterfraud-idUSKBN15K0TS
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Missionary Positron posted:congrats on your new jesus based charter school system It's going to be a total disaster. I don't do medical stuff but I have a load of friends that do and they've told me over the years that the regulation is the reason the science works so well. The reason we don't have magic drugs to cure stuff isn't because the regulators block stuff, it's because it's really loving complex to do.
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Its the injector usable by an untrained person part that is complicated. Same problem with naloxone, the fancy thing intended to be used by untrained people is several grand.
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hobbesmaster posted:Its the injector usable by an untrained person part that is complicated. Same problem with naloxone, the fancy thing intended to be used by untrained people is several grand. I know this is an apples to oranges comparison, but with someone with better knowledge of the pharma/medical industry explain why AEDs are so commonplace now, yet epipens and other autoinjectors are so expensive and elusive?
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hobbesmaster posted:Its the injector usable by an untrained person part that is complicated. Same problem with naloxone, the fancy thing intended to be used by untrained people is several grand. This is also horseshit FYI. The basic Epi-pen autoinjector costs literally 8 dollars to make. Even the talking ones don't cost more than 30 bucks to make. suboptimal posted:I know this is an apples to oranges comparison, but with someone with better knowledge of the pharma/medical industry explain why AEDs are so commonplace now, yet epipens and other autoinjectors are so expensive and elusive? Competition. There are plenty of different versions of AEDs. There were only two variations of Epinephrine auto-injectors, and one of those went out of business. Which made it perfect for price-gouging. They used to cost 75 for a two-pack. Nothing has changed since then except the lack of competition. Vengarr fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Vengarr posted:This is also horseshit FYI. The basic Epi-pen autoinjector costs literally 8 dollars to make. The cost of making it isn't really the issue, the big cost is the fact that sales also need to fund both prior research and development and future research and development, and that takes millions and millions of dollars. I'm not saying that there's no waste and fuckery being done, but there's a reason why the vast majority of medical research and developments take place in the United States and not in countries where the cost of pharmaceuticals are more strictly regulated or subject to price controls. Note that I'm not taking a position on the subject. Just saying it's more complicated than it appears at first blush. I mean the Epi-Pen thing is pretty clearly being jacked up because they can and less so because the market demands that it be sold at that price... but not all ridiculously expensive medications that are sold for cheaper elsewhere are incidences of price gouging, and price gouging can have positive run-on effects if the proceeds are reinvested into further research, which they actually do tend to be.
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The reason the research is done here is that we have great financial incentives to do so. And the government funds a lot of basic research as well, which companies can use for free. Finally, research done by drug companies tends to be on drugs they can turn a profit on (female Viagra) rather than poo poo that well benefit mankind (vaccines, antibiotics) The reason drug companies raise prices is for the same reason any other company raises prices: if you see a chance to make money, take it.
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Vengarr posted:This is also horseshit FYI. The basic Epi-pen autoinjector costs literally 8 dollars to make. I'm just trying to point out that while the medicine is generic and cheap and that injectors are cheap and made by a lot of people a prefilled injector combination cannot go through the process for a substantially equivalent medical device or a generic drug. The injector has to be approved as a brand new combination device and that requires a lot of development effort. Is this process necessary? I don't know, but that's why there's not new generic Epipens available in every pharmacy. hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Easing FDA regulations is terrifying when you consider that we already have serious problems with devices and medication. Like there are a couple different scopes that killed a handful of people last year because they couldn't be effectively cleaned and sterilized. Seriously, those class action lawsuits advertised on daytime TV wouldn't exist if stuff was being made perfectly as is.
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hobbesmaster posted:I'm just trying to point out that while the medicine is generic and cheap and that injectors are cheap and made by a lot of people a prefilled injector combination cannot go through the process for a substantially equivalent medical device or a generic drug. The injector has to be approved as a brand new combination device and that requires a lot of development effort. Yes, but let's not pretend they are boosting the price to make up research and approval costs. They are not. They are jacking prices to rip off customers through their insurance. There are plenty of generic Epipens. I have some. Its not an approval process or development process, its name brand manufacturers buying and pushing generics out of the market.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:If you want to compare us to Russia over history and say we're not so innocent, I mean yeah, I can't argue that. Yes you loving can. Russia is on average, as horrible as the absolute worst the US has ever been. We haven't intentionally massacred civilians since the 1800s like Russia's been doing. Edit: V I agree with that, absolutely. Godholio fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Feb 6, 2017 |
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Godholio posted:Yes you loving can. Russia is on average, as horrible as the absolute worst the US has ever been. We haven't intentionally massacred civilians since the 1800s like Russia's been doing. Sorry, I didn't want to imply that we were equally as bad, just not pure or anything
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Yeah but it's not something a president should say.
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TBeats posted:Yeah but it's not something a president should say. Absolutely not. I agree, I just meant in general. It's absolutely absurd for the president to be making any sort of defense of Russia. I'm astounded that these people who hold up Reagan as some sort of paragon don't realize he's probably spinning in his grave right now.
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Godholio posted:Yes you loving can. Russia is on average, as horrible as the absolute worst the US has ever been. We haven't intentionally massacred civilians since the 1800s like Russia's been doing. Yeah I mean how many people did Stalin have murdered over the course of his reign?
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The first British travelers to Russia noted that Moscow was made of wood, everyone was miserable, and to cope with that misery they spent most of their time drunk. Due to the latter condition they often passed out in the street and froze to death, only to be eaten by packs of wild dogs. This is the glorious Russian history they keep alluding to. Come back tomorrow and I'll tell you about how the notion that Russia saved the West from Mongols is a lie.
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:Yeah I mean how many people did Stalin have murdered over the course of his reign? Outright murdered? probably a poo poo ton. By starvation? millions upon millions.
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Casimir Radon posted:The first British travelers to Russia noted that Moscow was made of wood, everyone was miserable, and to cope with that misery they spent most of their time drunk. Due to the latter condition they often passed out in the street and froze to death, only to be eaten by packs of wild dogs. This is the glorious Russian history they keep alluding to. I've got a bunch of Russian friends, not a single one of which lives in Russia anymore, they all legged it in the late 90s/early 2000s. You've basically got two choices to live if you're there - Moscow and enjoy the perils of hyper-capitalism, or Vladivostok and hope you work in Naval engineering. Every other single city is hosed as poo poo. Wild dogs outside, everyone trying to drink themselves to death hosed up.
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Like I legit feel bad for your average Russian person, it's been just nonstop horror since the beginning of loving time for those people. Jesus I'd drink jet fuel or whatever too if it meant final escape from that living hell.
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Outright murdered? probably a poo poo ton. By starvation? millions upon millions. Cursory Wikipedia search says 2.9 mil recorded by the Soviets themselves and another 158k of their own soldiers executed for "desertion".
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Jesus I'd drink jet fuel or whatever too if it meant final escape from that living hell. Krokodil. There's a new NYT Trump story out that's absolutely amazing: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/us/politics/trump-white-house-aides-strategy.html?_r=0 Notable things: - Donnie wraps up his days at 6:30 PM - He watches the entire Sean Spicer press briefing every day. - He gives tours around the building in-between meetings, because apparently there's not enough for him to do? - Staffers have to lead meetings in darkness sometimes, as they don't know how to work the lights in the rooms. - He can't focus on policy memos, but he can focus on a book with 17 window covering options. - He's pissed off because nobody fully briefed him on the Executive Order that put Bannon on the NSC.
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