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Personally I have had the best luck with MSI cards myself. They usually aren't top-end overclockers, but they tend to run quiet. Noise is pretty important in most of my builds. They also tend to be tall rather than long, for whatever impact that has on cases. They also don't run at too much of a price premium. I can appreciate EVGA service, but like VulgarandStupid I question their coolers. They tend to be very competitively priced, and they have good availability. There always seems to be some problem with the cooling on their line of cards though, like the VRM issues now. I don't want bios updates to make my fans spin faster, or need to apply thermal pads myself. That poo poo should be done before it is in my hands. In general their cards work, but they are usually not as cool and quiet as I would like. The triple fan gigabyte cards tend to be some of the best overclockers, but they also get more complaints about coil whine than others. I can totally see going for gigabyte GPUs if you want a reasonably priced overclocker. Their cards tend to be long. Asus is usually very card dependent. I would have a hard time generalizing to all of their models. They are often a little more expensive though, and I am not convinced their GPUs are worth the same premium you see on their motherboards. Maybe I am wrong though. I used to own an asus myself that would sing with coil whine whenever a STALKER menu screen would come up. Fairly minor though, and it was silent apart from that. I admit to having no personal experience with Zotac cards, never having owned one. I've always though of them as undesirable budget cards, but that may be less well founded now. They are releasing some aggressively overclocked cards at reasonable prices. They do seem to seem hungry for the business, as VulgarandStupid says. Filthy Monkey fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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My 2 fan Zotac 970 is chugging along nicely. I thought it was dying, but I think that was my crappy Silverstone supply. No issues with black screen or visual issues with the new Corsair. I'd have no hesitation buying them again.
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Hi thread! I have a weird requirement - I'm looking for something that will take a 7x4ish inch PCIe x1 card. Whole point is a cheap Labview data acquisition computer, so video other than necessary to run Windows is a non-priority, and honestly processor speed and ram probably isn't too big a priority either. Are there any biz-class SFFs that would be suitable, or is there any cheaper option than just building an ordinary MITX setup?
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mekilljoydammit posted:Hi thread! I have a weird requirement - I'm looking for something that will take a 7x4ish inch PCIe x1 card. Whole point is a cheap Labview data acquisition computer, so video other than necessary to run Windows is a non-priority, and honestly processor speed and ram probably isn't too big a priority either. Are there any biz-class SFFs that would be suitable, or is there any cheaper option than just building an ordinary MITX setup? Pretty sure 4" is wider than a low profile bracket, so you're really SOL here in terms of super small cases. There are a few cases, but they are mostly indie cases, meant to fit ITX graphics cards that might fit your needs but they tend to be expensive and in short supply plus they generally use flexATX PSUs. I'm thinking you'd want support for 3.5" drives anyway to store data, but I'm not entirely sure on that.
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Atomizer posted:All of the manufacturers have some kind of business-class SFF. For that price I'd suggest something with a much newer CPU like this: Like I said I bought several dozen Kangaroo for work, I had one overheat because we placed it behind a TV that was up against a wall so it was dealing with hot ambient air plus itself... I'm sure there's some other ways to overheat one but if you place it in an open area away from other hot stuff it'll run for months without issue. That said, the Thinkcentre you posted is a very nice value if you don't need the Kangaroo's pocket-sized/fanless bulletpoints.
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VulgarandStupid posted:Pretty sure 4" is wider than a low profile bracket, so you're really SOL here in terms of super small cases. There are a few cases, but they are mostly indie cases, meant to fit ITX graphics cards that might fit your needs but they tend to be expensive and in short supply plus they generally use flexATX PSUs. I'm thinking you'd want support for 3.5" drives anyway to store data, but I'm not entirely sure on that. Nuts. I found one SFF case that has a PCIe slot on a riser but it was in the "boutique case maker" territoriy. The biz class SFF boxes seem like they either have miniPCIe only or none at all, but I was kinda hoping I was overlooking one. And for what I have in mind... a 3.5" drive would be nice but most of the data is going to get condensed down quite a bit before being stored. Watermelon Daiquiri posted:A GPIB card? National Instruments PCIe-6251 for what it's worth - 16 channels of 16 bit analog inputs at a total of about a million samples per second, 2 analog outputs, 24 digital IO ports.
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Oof, yeah that's a wide card. Sorry, you might even have trouble fitting that into some standard mitx cases, let alone half height ones. I know it's a kinda expensive option but if you already have NI gpib stuff what's another few hundred? You could get a nuc or something similar and stick the card into an external dock such as this this. I don't know how much power it draws, but I'd guess it'd be small enough to work with the 25W that box provides.
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To be clear, the 4" dimension I mentioned is height - I guess I should better have put it that it's a full height, 7" long PCIe card, but it's only one slot wide. Rest assured I didn't pay anything near full price for my surplus card, otherwise I'd just open my wallet rather than try to shave a couple hundred dollar build down by anything I can - heck I'd have ordered the MITX version that'd fit my needs already. 
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Err to be clear, by width I meant the length from finger edge to the opposite edge--- the height you are talking about. And I assumed you were academic or commercial; Not a lot of people need or use gpib. Honestly I think it'd be best just to get something like that silverstone sg-10 or whatever its called. That should fit everything just fine, though if I recall there's only one 'official' 3.5 mount point. There's nothing stopping you from just having one hanging/sitting there in the case though lol. I have an extra one if you live in or near Austin and/or want to negotiate It has the solid flat front rather than the meshy one with the beveled indentations on it.
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Anyone received they DAN/A4 yet? Looks like the thread on OCP forums is looking at creating a new low-profile heat sink and fan.
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:And I assumed you were academic or commercial; Not a lot of people need or use gpib. Ha, no, I'm a loon who learned NI DAQ stuff on the job as a test engineer, and is trying to build a system so I can do data acquisition stuff for a sideline or for my own test equipment. As a hobby. I found a deal on the hardware and am trying to make it relatively portable so I can use it on as many projects as possible. Thus portable rather than sticking it into my normal desktop. Not familiar with GPIB actually - the specific card I'm using is analog inputs and timing stuff onboard rather than connecting to separate instrumentation. I'm up in Wisconsin if you think it's worth your time to ship.
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Zero VGS posted:Like I said I bought several dozen Kangaroo for work, I had one overheat because we placed it behind a TV that was up against a wall so it was dealing with hot ambient air plus itself... I'm sure there's some other ways to overheat one but if you place it in an open area away from other hot stuff it'll run for months without issue. Just keep in mind, when we talk about these Kangaroo PCs overheating it doesn't necessarily mean to the point of failure. Because these are passively cooled and can't manage heat well, they will simply throttle down as they heat up, leading to reduced performance which you may or may not notice depending on what you're doing with them. If you're using these at work for basic productivity then it's not going to make a difference, but if you tried to set up Plex Media Server on one you'd definitely notice when it tried to transcode. The manufacturer (Infocus) itself is well aware of the situation; here's some quotes from their responses to Newegg reviews: quote:Manufacturer Response: They even recommend the external fan solution: quote:Manufacturer Response: While I guess that works, it sure is disappointing and not what a PC buyer would expect to have to do. Just for clarification, I have a couple of these that I don't use; they're fine for specific uses, although I wouldn't recommend the base model (2+32 GB) for much. Personally I just need Windows for gaming and ChromeOS for everything else which is why the Kangaroo PCs are gathering dust.
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mekilljoydammit posted:Ha, no, I'm a loon who learned NI DAQ stuff on the job as a test engineer, and is trying to build a system so I can do data acquisition stuff for a sideline or for my own test equipment. As a hobby. I found a deal on the hardware and am trying to make it relatively portable so I can use it on as many projects as possible. Thus portable rather than sticking it into my normal desktop. That's awesome  I really want to get an awesome electronics bench one of these days with a decent bench supply, oscilloscope, (pipedream) ENA, waveform generator, DMM etc all controlled by a computer via labview. I think I still have my student edition I got for my signals and systems class, though its probably expired,. I need to find an excuse to build a VI that isn't mostly mathscript-- it looked kinda fun to be honest.Anyways, I doubt it'll be worth it to ship all the way up there as its a big box and not exactly a feather. I'll check the pricing out to like milwaukee, though. e: Yeah the cheapest shipping is about 16-17 bucks for fedex and 20/25 for ups/usps resp. Considering a new sugo SG13[B] is all of $40 on amazon for the mesh front ($45 for the solid front, the one I own) the profit i'd get after shipping and paypal if its used is like 5-10 bucks. Not really worth it, ah well. I need to repost my samart ad for a much of poo poo anyways. Watermelon Daiquiri fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Quoted from the parts picking thread, as this is all SFF-specific:jonathan posted:I can't find a case I like in MicroATX. (thanks for all the suggestions btw) Heat/overclocking are pretty much it. For CPU cooler, you're limited to 58mm for height. A Thermalright AXP-100, ID-Cooling IS-60, or Scythe Big Shuriken 2 rev. B would probably be your best bet as far as CPU cooler goes. That case does not have great video card ventilation, either. To mitigate that, there's a pretty cool post on Overclock.net where a guy installed 3 80x80x15mm fans in the top of the case of an ML08, which is almost identical to the case you posted. If you do end up getting it, don't lay it horizontal without monitoring your thermals first. If you end up going for a 1080 instead of a 1070, that would probably also exacerbate the issue. Getting a blower card is also an option if you're OK with more noise and slightly lower performance. Oh, there's only 1 PCIe slot, 2 RAM slots, and supply of the new Mini-ITX Z270 boards are kinda iffy right now because of how new Kaby Lake is, and how niche the ITX platform is. ASUS and ASRock probably have the best Mini-ITX Z270 boards, depending on what you want. Here you will find a spreadsheet someone made to break down the difference between the different models. I've seen a few complaints about ~coil whine~ on the Silverstone SFX PSU's, but nothing bad about the Corsair SF450/600. Here's a build idea, sorry about the listings being in freedomdollars: PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.75 @ OutletPC) CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING IS-60 53.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($44.98 @ Newegg Marketplace) Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z270i GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($181.98 @ Newegg) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($128.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($249.99 @ B&H) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($602.99 @ NCIX US) Case: Silverstone ML08B-H HTPC Case ($84.50 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair SF 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($119.82 @ Jet) Total: $1652.00
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Mooktastical posted:Quoted from the parts picking thread, as this is all SFF-specific: Pro tip, you can get the IS-60 heatsink like you linked, and then switch out the 120x15mm fan for a Cryorig 140x13mm fan: https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-CR-XTA-140mm-Profile-System/dp/B00IAPV5YW That would almost certainly perform better and more quietly, and be 2mm thinner for a better air gap from the top of the case. I'm using the Crorig fan with a mismatched heatsink in the S4 Mini case and it is working well.
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Mooktastical posted:but nothing bad about the Corsair SF450/600 From what I've read they're both amazing PSUs, not only are they using high quality parts but both can pass 80+ Platinum efficiency even though officially they're only rated Gold. You can't go wrong with them IMO.
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Zero VGS posted:Pro tip, you can get the IS-60 heatsink like you linked, and then switch out the 120x15mm fan for a Cryorig 140x13mm fan: https://www.amazon.com/Cryorig-CR-XTA-140mm-Profile-System/dp/B00IAPV5YW Do you have any idea how that would fare compared to a Prolimatech Vortex Slim 12? http://pcpartpicker.com/product/BRrG3C/prolimatech-case-fan-prousv14
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Mooktastical posted:Do you have any idea how that would fare compared to a Prolimatech Vortex Slim 12? Here's a direct comparison between them: http://www.coolingtechnique.com/recensioni/air-cooling/ventole/1673-recensione-prolimatech-ultra-sleek-vortex-e-vortex-aluminum.html?start=6 The site is in Italian, but the charts are easy to read. The cryorig fan does a bit better, but then the Raijintek Aeolus (the fan on their Pallas heatsink) stomps on both of them. It looks like the Vortex Slim 14, the Cryorig XT 140, and the Raijintek Pallas are all slim 140mm fans with 120mm mounting holes. I'm not sure how much creativity you would have to apply to make those fans fit on that heatsink, but it doesn't look too hard. Coolingtechnique also has a youtube channel where they record fan noise, it's oddly addicting. Here's what those three fans sound like: Prolimatech Vortex Slim 14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vspGHng1vuc&t=71s Cryorig XT 140 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwlw5knvFUs&t=15s Raijintek Aeolus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U80DSvB4hSM&t=54s
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Welp, just said to hell with it and ordered stuff for a Mini ITX build version of the DAQ box. Nothing special - G4560, 8gb ram, APEX MI-008, WD 1tb drive; $335 all told. I guess I'll take pictures when I get it together? I feel like I should update my main desktop now - just threw a new vidcard in it last year (some sort of Radeon, I forget, lol) but the rest of it's an 8 year old Phenom 2 940.
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I own all three of the fans in the comparison you posted, they are all pretty great and quiet. Note that while the Aeolus is claimed to perform the best in those tests, it's the only fan out of the three that uses a plain sleeve bearing, so I don't know if it'd have the longevity of the others. Also, I took a caliper to all of them, the Ultra Sleek is 15mm as claimed, and the other two fans are supposed to be 13mm, but the Aeolus is actually 13.4mm and the Cryorig is 12.9mm. So if you have a really tight fit, that's good to know.
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MrMoo posted:Anyone received they DAN/A4 yet? Looks like the thread on OCP forums is looking at creating a new low-profile heat sink and fan. Still waiting at the delivery pickup confirmation stage with mine. In the meantime I'm kind of obsessed with this: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/02/zotac-zbox-magnus-en1080-review/
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Are there any SFF cases built with SFF GPUs in mind?  Something slightly larger than this (enough to fit a mini 1070 or R9 Nano, for example): would be really cool.
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buglord posted:Are there any SFF cases built with SFF GPUs in mind? The S4 Mini is really cool
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Pokemon OH SNAP! posted:The S4 Mini is really cool Needs a little more....mass production.  It costs a pretty penny too. I know this is a total beggars choosers situation because this is niche within niche here.
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buglord posted:Are there any SFF cases built with SFF GPUs in mind? Cases? Not that I know of. Premade though? Yes: https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/magnus-en1070
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buglord posted:Needs a little more....mass production. I paid $200 for an S4 Mini (got bells and whistles like vandal-proof power button and flexible silicon riser) and it was worth every penny. But, if you can't afford that, the Logic Supply MC600 is $100, but it's much clunkier: https://www.logicsupply.com/mc600/ Here's a comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hb44iOQmbY Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 08:20 on Feb 23, 2017 |
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Atomizer posted:Cases? Not that I know of. Premade though? Yes: https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/magnus-en1070 This is cool, but I wonder how that processor would stack up.
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Oovee posted:Well, ordered ryzin 1700.. now just to see which arrives first, ITX am4 or the zaber sentry case.
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buglord posted:I don't know why I did this, but I got a Silverstone SG-13. I'm gonna see transfer all the guts out of my TT Core V1 and do the most marginal size upgrade (downgrade?) ever. It's like half the size, so I'd say that's pretty substantial.
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Just got most of my little APEX MI-008 cased build together. Annoying thing is that looking at it, I bet with a little cutting and welding I could get another 3L out of it without any real trouble - it's about 4" longer than it needs to be unless you're using a 5 1/4" drive for some reason. I mean, everything would be pretty tight and I'd have to change how ventilation works but yeah. But for a $40 case, enh, good enough.
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