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Pop-o-Matic Trouble posted:Proposed Budget: 5-10k CAD, but flexible I'm tall(6'2")and fat and love my Fit - it never feels cramped, plus it drives like 10x more fun than my son's Yaris. The Yaris isn't bad, it just feel more pedestrian in every way. Worst thing about the Fit is that it's very hard to find used ones at anything approaching a decent price.
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What is the cheapest new car 4 door sedan with all wheel drive, Bluetooth and heated seats in North America?
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Feb 26, 2017 03:48
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TipsyMcStagger posted:What is the cheapest new car 4 door sedan with all wheel drive, Bluetooth and heated seats in North America? Subaru Impreza, Jeep Renegade, Mitsubishi Lancer, Fiat 500X, or a Mazda CX-3. They all list at about 20k. All should have Bluetooth, but it depends on what option package gets you heated seats and current dealer incentives.
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Feb 26, 2017 04:06
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TipsyMcStagger posted:What is the cheapest new car 4 door sedan with all wheel drive, Bluetooth and heated seats in North America? http://a.co/2kHnvSS + http://a.co/gzN4WGq
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Feb 26, 2017 05:05
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Yeah if cheapest is a major factor I don't really understand the desire for new. It's not like any of those features are bleeding edge technology, you should have no problem finding a used car with all of those things.
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Feb 26, 2017 08:05
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Deteriorata posted:Subaru Impreza, Jeep Renegade, Mitsubishi Lancer, Fiat 500X, or a Mazda CX-3. They all list at about 20k. All should have Bluetooth, but it depends on what option package gets you heated seats and current dealer incentives. Sedan, not a sedan, absolutely poo poo, not a sedan, not a sedan.
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Feb 26, 2017 14:25
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That bluetooth receiver is great, mine has given me no problems for 3ish years now. The cables are kinda messy though and it would be nice to just have integrated bluetooth.
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Feb 26, 2017 17:53
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Proposed Budget: $20k, give or take. New or Used: New Body Style: Compact sedan How will you be using the car?: 25-mile round trip commute, general city driving, occasional road trip. Weather's not an issue. What aspects are most important to you? (e.g. reliability, cost of ownership/maintenance, import/domestic, MPG, size, style): Reliability and cost of ownership. Right now the plan is to test drive the Corolla, Civic, and Mazda 3 to see what feels right. Not having done that yet, my impression so far is that the Mazda doesn't have the brand recognition of the other two for reliability but is a well-regarded car that should be more fun to drive; the Civic seems to run 1-2k more expensive than the others with extra features to match; and the Corolla is still a nice little toaster with wheels. I think the Prius is generally pretty ugly, otherwise I'd look there too. Anything else I'm obviously missing or strong reasons to prefer one of those over the others?
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Feb 26, 2017 17:55
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Deteriorata posted:Subaru Impreza, Jeep Renegade, Mitsubishi Lancer, Fiat 500X, or a Mazda CX-3. They all list at about 20k. All should have Bluetooth, but it depends on what option package gets you heated seats and current dealer incentives. Not all Sedans but I get it. AriTheDog posted:Yeah if cheapest is a major factor I don't really understand the desire for new. It's not like any of those features are bleeding edge technology, you should have no problem finding a used car with all of those things. Looking for like a comparison of features versus cost and go from there for new car shopping.. I've driven 500$ vehicles for years before.. I can do much cheaper but new car shopping and it's a head ache of features and bullshit.
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Feb 26, 2017 18:15
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zzyzx posted:the Corolla is still a nice little toaster with wheels. It's really not these days - it's sort of coasting on past reputation. It was barely above last place in Motor Trends recent compact car comparison and is 11th on Car and Drivers list. Other makes have easily surpassed it in terms of driving excitement, technology, and overall refinement. The Civic or the Mazda 3 are much better buys. The Mazda is actually a pretty reliable car that should give you quite a few trouble free years. As far as others to consider the Kia Forte and Hyundai Elantra are actually worth looking at, as is the Ford Focus. The Focus doesn't have as much reliability respect as the Civic, but it'll be a much more enjoyable car to own than a Corolla. Test drives are free - use them. 
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Feb 27, 2017 02:30
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That guy would suck it up and buy a Prius.
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Feb 27, 2017 03:51
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zzyzx posted:Proposed Budget: $20k, give or take. My wife and I went through this debate last year between the Civic and Mazda3, and ended up picking up a 2016 Honda Civic EX for just under $20k. The Civic just feels better built, and has more standard options than the Mazda3 for quite a bit less money (EX Civic vs Touring Mazda3). The real killer was the ugly screen that pops out of the middle of the dashboard. Don't get me wrong, the Mazda was more fun to drive and a great little car, we just liked the Civic more overall. One thing to keep in mind, the Civic and Corolla have CVTs now where the Mazda3 has a traditional 6 speed auto. Some people loathe CVTs. Also gently caress the Prius.
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Feb 27, 2017 18:54
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Look I'm just saying if you walk in here and demand only TCO and reliability and you don't buy a Prius you're not making an optimal decision.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:23
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I mean, yeah, but if you're going to be spending time driving it every day for years probably then I wouldn't advise he gets something he hates. And at the end of the day he's not really wrong, the prius is loving ugly. All other things being equal if the mazda 3 looked like a scion xb I would not have bought one either.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:30
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Look I'm just saying if you walk in here and demand only TCO and reliability and you don't buy a Prius you're not making an optimal decision. Does a Prius have a lower TCO than Japanese compact economy cars? I think it might be a pretty close call in a lot of situations.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:39
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What's wrong with Chevy Sonics or Cruzes as far as reliable utility cars go? Either of them seems better than a Corolla.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:42
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silence_kit posted:Does a Prius have a lower TCO than Japanese compact economy cars? I think it might be a pretty close call in a lot of situations. Prius TCO is ridiculous because not only is it very good on gas but it also requires almost no significant maintenance and all of the components are extremely reliable. For some cars, once you hit fairly high mileage, the battery needs replacing, but that's a one-time repair over the lifetime of the car that costs something like $1,200. I understand objections to the way the Prius drives, and it is not a very attractive car, but if you want a whitegood it is the absolute pinnacle of whitegoods. If you don't want a whitegood, don't pretend you do. Twerk from Home posted:What's wrong with Chevy Sonics or Cruzes as far as reliable utility cars go? Either of them seems better than a Corolla. The Sonic is pretty dreadful, at least the 2014 that I drove was. Now, who knows. The new Cruze seems fairly nice but the track record doesn't match the Corolla.
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Feb 27, 2017 20:33
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Twerk from Home posted:What's wrong with Chevy Sonics or Cruzes as far as reliable utility cars go? Either of them seems better than a Corolla. Cruze seems to be mid-pack in reliability. Not terrible, but not great. Sonics seem to be pretty good for their class. If reliability is all that matters, you can't beat a Corolla. For most people, reliability matters less than they think it does. Maintenance issues on a car you love bother you a lot less (up to a point) than on one you hate. Most new cars today are actually quite reliable and the difference between the top and bottom is a lot smaller than it used to be. Hence my advice is usually to find a car or two that really fit your own personality, and let their relative reliability be a tie-breaker.
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Deteriorata posted:Cruze seems to be mid-pack in reliability. Not terrible, but not great. Sonics seem to be pretty good for their class. goddamnit if reliability is all that matters you can't beat the Prius
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Feb 27, 2017 20:56
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The Prius is a fantastic car if you hate yourself and have no self respect.
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Feb 27, 2017 20:58
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Rhyno posted:The Prius is a fantastic car if you hate yourself and have no self respect. When did you sell the ms6?
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nm posted:When did you sell the ms6? I still have a little self respect so I will be over here driving my Honda Insight.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:02
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Twerk from Home posted:What's wrong with Chevy Sonics or Cruzes as far as reliable utility cars go? Either of them seems better than a Corolla. My wife's '12 Sonic has had no problems. It's a base model, so not a lot of fancy stuff (i.e. manual windows). It's pretty basic, but I think it's nice enough to drive for what it is.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:19
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Rhyno posted:I still have a little self respect so I will be over here driving my Honda Insight. This only applies if you bought the manual spaceship model. The prius knockoff one shows only that you were too poor or cheap to buy a prius.
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nm posted:This only applies if you bought the manual spaceship model. The prius knockoff one shows only that you were too poor or cheap to buy a prius. My sister owns the horrible one. It's so horrible she lets her boyfriend drive it and she's DDing a rusty Taurus.
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Feb 27, 2017 21:32
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Rhyno posted:The Prius is a fantastic car if you hate yourself and have no self respect. most people don't like cars
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Feb 27, 2017 21:39
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I took a Prius 2013 for a test drive and hated it. The frugal side of me is screaming to buy the Prius. I took a Civic EX and a Mazda 3 hatch out and they were both great. I'm just not sure that the Mazda3 is going to like Toronto winters. The Civic also seemed to have an unreasonable 2k premium on it for an extra 30,000km and just being a little more run down. I dunno, I've always lucked out on buying creampuff cars for 2k and now I really want something almost new - but I want it to be a good car. The auto Mazda3 hatch is what I'm leaning towards on based on this thread and pure emotion. Bad idea, good idea?
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Kafka Esq. posted:I took a Prius 2013 for a test drive and hated it. The frugal side of me is screaming to buy the Prius. I took a Civic EX and a Mazda 3 hatch out and they were both great. I'm just not sure that the Mazda3 is going to like Toronto winters. The Civic also seemed to have an unreasonable 2k premium on it for an extra 30,000km and just being a little more run down. The hatch 3 is made in mexico and the rumored rust issues are supposedly on the japanese assembled sedan versions. If that's what you were concerned about. If you just mean can it handle snow, I've had no problems and I generally have kind of poo poo tires. In any case I doubt the civic would be any better all things being equal.
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Yeah, I heard about the rust issues from car guys, the dealer, and my dad. If the rust issues are on the Japanese built stuff, and Mexico builds just as good, then I should buy. I like the way it looks inside and outside, and the price is right. Are there any issues I should be aware of on 2014 or newer Mazda3 hatches?
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Feb 27, 2017 22:22
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:most people don't like cars Most people like dignity
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Deteriorata posted:Cruze seems to be mid-pack These two statements are incorrect if you go by consumer reports surveys (which while their subjective reviews are poo poo, their reliability ratings are pretty well done surveys). The Cruze is 3rd while the Corolla isn't even on the top 10. The Corolla is the epitome of getting by on past reputation. It's old, out of date, and objectively not as good as other modern cars, even though it was just redesigned. Hell, they're still using drum brakes and only just switched from a 4 speed automatic a few years ago. They also have the worst brakes of any compact. Why they still insist on using that 130hp 1.8l when all of the other compacts are much more refined and powerful...it's basically the only compact besides the Sentra that still has a 10+ sec 0-60. Git Mah Belt Son fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Feb 27, 2017 |
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In the last month I've had both a 2017 Sonic Premier and a 2017 Malibu as a rental car and both of them were pretty drat nice. I was really impressed with the Sonic until I looked at pricing and the trim that the rental car was started with an MSRP over $20k which no options, which confused me. Sonic's interior design, ergonomics, and dash were all great.
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Feb 27, 2017 22:57
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Git Mah Belt Son posted:These two statements are incorrect if you go by consumer reports surveys (which while their subjective reviews are poo poo, their reliability ratings are pretty well done surveys). CR's ratings are a data point, not gospel. I've noticed over the years that their reliability ratings often don't match up to reality and I haven't really trusted them for decades. All ratings are fundamentally educated guesses and several should be considered together in making a decision. A couple critiques of CR's ratings are here and here.
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edit: actually reading the links helps here.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:If you don't want a whitegood, don't pretend you do. QFT I don't get why people have a hard time admitting that they might want to buy a car for reasons other than "oh it's cheap and it never breaks". I mean, don't buy a loving FCA product if you want it to literally never break down. If you want to pay a bit more TCO because you like a Mazda3 better, that's fine! It's a loving awesome little car! There are reasons to buy cars that aren't min-maxing a spreadsheet.
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I'm looking at buying a Honda Odyssey EX, most likely a 2014 after looking around as it fits my budget and what I'm looking for. There's not many privately available so I'm leaning toward a certified used partially for some peace of mind cause I'm not the most knowledgeable about cars. Im wondering though, can I trust the inspection was done?Should I be asking to have someone else independently look at the car? Would the dealership even consider that or is it overkill?I've only bought new or used cars from friends so not sure where to go here or what kind of questions to ask compared to a regular used car.
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Mursh posted:I'm looking at buying a Honda Odyssey EX, most likely a 2014 after looking around as it fits my budget and what I'm looking for. It is only 50-80$ to have a mechanic give it a pre-purchase inspection, and it is a good way to get the dealership to replace wear items or transmission fluid, or whatever it is that your mechanic flags under the already agreed price. For the kind of money you unass for a not-that-used minivan, it is money and 2 hours well spent. And not unlikely to get you 300$ worth of work from the dealer gratis for 80$ worth of inspection. Also, gives the dealership a chance to be dickholes before they have your 25k, so you can decide to walk.
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One of the best features of a ppi, is that if a dealer tells you no, you know to avoid that car and dealer.
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If it's an actual Honda CPO then Honda requires the inspection to be done and a checklist to be submitted to them - including a list of everything they had to r/r to bring it up to their CPO standards. Does this mean that dealerships can't still be shady? Of course not. But if the manufacturer catches wind that they're CPOing cars by falsifying the CPO inspection then they could get hosed pretty hard by the manufacturer including losing their ability to CPO cars or being sued for committing fraud.
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nm posted:One of the best features of a ppi, is that if a dealer tells you no, you know to avoid that car and dealer. Truth.
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