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Small things from the last episode: Ex-girlfriend Philly was wearing earrings like the circle ladder when Syd and Ptonomy were in the travel agency. She knows "they are watching." In a flashback scene to David, Philly, and Poole in the kitchen sharing our, she is wearing a headband with circles like the ladder. Questions: Who is the dude in the vines at clockworks? Is Kissinger a victim or an agent of division 3? Why are dogs so heavily involved in the series if King never was? Suppositions: Lenny (female) was real at clockworks. Syd has seen her before she and David switched powers. TYED has convoluted davids memories and now he thinks it's Lenny, not benny, in his past experiences. TYED is "wearing" a Lenny skin to now communicate with David, and this disguise is "safe" to him so he doesn't question it much.
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fork bomb posted:Suppositions: I think Benny was turned into Lenny as some kind of, like they said, "guard dog." Likely by memory alteration and not him just being nuts.
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Mar 3, 2017 05:21
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mikeraskol posted:I'm so pissed you got that avatar idea first. I've been due for a change for a while and loving love that frog image. It's times like this I miss forum gangs, then everyone could rock the frog.
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Mar 3, 2017 05:28
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I think Lenny may never have been real. I mean, I think she was a real patient and died. But the Lenny we know, the Twizzler sharing, headphone blastin', overalls in dreams Lenny is like David's dog, King. As a kid, he could say he had a dog that followed him around and he could talk to him. As an adult, he's talking to Lenny who isn't real and is just TYED. Benny was real and TYED probably convoluted his memory to keep control of David at Clockworks. That's his endgame, I think. To fully control David. Pan Dulce fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Mar 3, 2017 |
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Mar 3, 2017 05:45
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dis fukken show right herePan Dulce posted:Benny was real and TYED probably convoluted his memory to keep control of David at Clockworks. That's his endgame, I think. To fully control David. Here's something fun: Did any of the inmates ever acknowledge Lenny or interact with her in any way, shape, or form? It's entirely possible she was the TYED that only David could see, and that Syd actually beat the poo poo out of him and bisected him in David's mind when she took the wheel. Or maybe none of this actually happened and we're all inside David's head
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Mar 3, 2017 05:55
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Seriously though eventually David's going to figure out TYED's presence in his head and boot him out, and the fight scene is going to be incredible. Just two big ol God level telepaths goin' full ham on each other for a good 15 minutes. 
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Mar 3, 2017 06:05
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Chokes McGee posted:Here's something fun: Did any of the inmates ever acknowledge Lenny or interact with her in any way, shape, or form? It's entirely possible she was the TYED that only David could see, and that Syd actually beat the poo poo out of him and bisected him in David's mind when she took the wheel. I wanna say yes, she talks to Syd at one point before they touch and swap bodies?
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Mar 3, 2017 06:13
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Holy poo poo I just realized something. TYED is morbidly obese, right? in the comics that's kind of Shadow King's thing doesn't Benny look kind of ... husky Is it possible he got transferred from host to host?
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Mar 3, 2017 06:26
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Oh man the dog's name is king.
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Mar 3, 2017 07:16
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Can some wizard make an avatar size gif of Lenny saying "I'm you, I'm me, I'm everything you want to be" with her little shoulder shake? I want that in me.
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Mar 3, 2017 09:51
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I assumed the point of Lenny talking and sitting like a middle aged man at the asylum was because that was Benny the entire time, and we only see Benny as a girl named Lenny in those scenes because thats what David sees. Syd and the Doc see this friend of David's but never refer to them by name or reference a gender so they have just seen Benny around the place. The only part where that gets weird and could add up is if Syd knows she killed a friend, but would have to think the person in David's memories is a different friend and not "David and his friend both were committed to the same asylum after getting caught/arrested together" but anyway sifting through a person's memories seems really fun, like you just catch a thread while playing one memory and follow it into a different memory
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Mar 3, 2017 10:12
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Having skimmed the wiki for the X-Men character Legion I think I can guess part of what is going on. The real test will be rewatching after the first season to see what clues there were in the pilot.
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Mar 3, 2017 13:15
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Just saw there's a funny part in the first episode with the baby at the beginning. Watch it carefully.
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Mar 3, 2017 13:18
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night slime posted:Just saw there's a funny part in the first episode with the baby at the beginning. Watch it carefully. you mean young david levitating off from his bed right?
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Dark Off posted:you mean young david levitating off from his bed right? I can't tell if I'm getting whooshed or not here. Why would that be what he's talking about? That's super obvious and the main focus of the eye in the scene, he is clearly referencing something else.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:11
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Each time I think I have this show figured out it just gets weirder. Between the diving suit guy and the body-sharing mutants and whatever the hell The Eye is/can do, I'm really not sure how they're gonna tie this whole thing up in the end.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:19
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You guys really don't need to spoil poo poo that already happened, especially if it wouldn't be a spoiler in the first place.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:32
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night slime posted:Just saw there's a funny part in the first episode with the baby at the beginning. Watch it carefully. It's the first appearance of TYED as a tiny doll next to him, there's an extended slow fade where it rolls over to face the camera.
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Mar 3, 2017 17:56
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  There's a creepy sound it makes too.
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Henchman of Santa posted:
Oh wow, good catch. Lenny is so good, she really worked the Crazy Eyes schtick so hard this episode.  "Why are all the hot ones SO CRAZY"
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Mar 3, 2017 19:28
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Blazing Ownager posted:I think Benny was turned into Lenny as some kind of, like they said, "guard dog." Likely by memory alteration and not him just being nuts. These things are not mutually exclusive.
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Mar 3, 2017 19:31
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Lenny has a line about "girl stuff" in the first episode which apparently is a good enough excuse to get Kisenger to step away. That could be handwaved unreliable narrator though.
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Mar 3, 2017 19:50
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Grem posted:Can some wizard make an avatar size gif of Lenny saying "I'm you, I'm me, I'm everything you want to be" with her little shoulder shake? I want that in me. I don't know how to compress and cut up gifs, but I found the part itself if you want to fiddle with it:  A smaller one with the shoulder shimmy, but not the entire line: 
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Mar 3, 2017 19:58
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I'm pretty sure Lenny was indeed real, but only the one at the psychiatric center. There's probably a reason why she was the only one killed, and it was because the Shadow King didn't like her being so close to David. So then the Shadow King started to change David's memories around and also appear to him in a less-threatening version than as the Demon with Yellow Eyes, so he could get David to trust him more and open up more of his powers. Replacing Benny with Lenny to earn even more trust as it seemed that he had known her longer. Seems as if he's spent David's entire life trying to be his best friend/confidant to keep building David and his own powers up. First the teddy bear, then the dog, and then David's only and best friend.
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Mar 3, 2017 19:59
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I always thought the XMen references in this thread wer eosme dumb joke. Are you guys telling me this show is based on a comic book?
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Mar 3, 2017 21:27
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They have Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. lined up for the finale.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:I always thought the XMen references in this thread wer eosme dumb joke. Are you guys telling me this show is based on a comic book? The comic storylines involving Legion are dumb and bad. Avoid them at all costs because at best, they are going to give away mild spoilers about the show so far.
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Grinning Goblin posted:The comic storylines involving Legion are dumb and bad. Avoid them at all costs because at best, they are going to give away mild spoilers about the show so far. While I haven't read a lot of Legion comics (and reading all of Claremont's 20+ year run is probably nearly impossible) , the recent X-Men Legacy: Legion by Simon Spurrier is a really good series. Even though it is connected to the larger Marvel Universe, it is mainly doing its own thing. I can't say the show is taking much from that run since Legion is a clearly established character in the Marvel Universe and that series gives him some level of control over his power.
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How are the X-Men not the hugest thing ever now? A franchise about superheroes-as-minorities should be KILLING it right now. Are the people responsible for the films making them bad on purpose or how can this be? Good thing this series is separate from that clusterfuck.
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Spidder posted:How are the X-Men not the hugest thing ever now? A franchise about superheroes-as-minorities should be KILLING it right now. Are the people responsible for the films making them bad on purpose or how can this be? Have you seen any of the movies? They're huge blockbusters netting massive amounts of money. X-Men: Days of Future Past Budget $200 million Box office $747.9 million Deadpool Budget $58 million Box office $783.1 million X-Men: Apocalypse Budget $178 million Box office $543.9 million
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Tigren posted:Have you seen any of the movies? They're huge blockbusters netting massive amounts of money. I've seen them all. They were terrible (except Deadpool, which was good) and I'm surprised they made so much money. Imagine if they were decent...
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I can't figure out what makes them so bad, but I hated all of them except Deadpool.
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HERAK posted:Having skimmed the wiki for the X-Men character Legion I think I can guess part of what is going on. The real test will be rewatching after the first season to see what clues there were in the pilot. "I am Leigon, for I am many" As others have posted, I think he is going to be this confusing blob of characters, manufactured, copied, captured or otherwise imagined, or as a host for parasites. If so, this would be a writers ultimate blank easel to create different things with every week.
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Oliver seemed pretty on the ball. He posited One Monster Per Unquiet Mind, David sorta ignored it or has wholly forgotten TYED. Is his monster just chilling in Astral Limbo or? I can't figure out King Lenny's motivations. She seems to have a more complete view of the real world, enough to show David when something that would affect him (sister trapped, Syd's body in the Eye's grasp) but shouldn't have sent him so close to an attempted assassination if she's got stuff to do. lokipunk posted:Lenny has a line about "girl stuff" in the first episode which apparently is a good enough excuse to get Kisenger to step away. I like FX putting on the same ep right after it finishes. Always feels like something's been recontextualized by the end. I halfway want to re-watch the entire series after some of these reveals.
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I have to say anyone who watched without 5.1 surround sound really missed it out in the astral plane scenes. The constant crackling of ice that surrounded you was really immersive. If this show doesn't win an Emmy for sound mixing, it will be a travesty. I've never heard a soundtrack like this on TV.
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Mar 4, 2017 00:19
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The gay undercurrent of David being Lenny's catamite was actually tastefully inferred, instead of just showing rough scenes of homosexuality.
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lokipunk posted:Oh man the dog's name is king. We saw the dog get murdered though?
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Nevvy Z posted:We saw the dog get murdered though? He never had a dog.
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verdigris murder posted:The gay undercurrent of David being Lenny's catamite was actually tastefully inferred, instead of just showing rough scenes of homosexuality. Violent molestation being the deep dark thing he doesn't want anyone to know about and manifesting as really hosed up mental issues and fractured reality would actually make a whole lot of sense.
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I like the actor who plays David, is he in anything else that's good?
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