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clinton knew she was running for president and that wall st was unpopular but still couldnt help herself from shoving wall street money into her pockets lol
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comedyblissoption posted:clinton knew she was running for president and that wall st was unpopular but still couldnt help herself from shoving wall street money into her pockets lol "Oh yeah? lol" - Hillary Clinton when confronted about taking Wall Street money
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Mar 11, 2017 22:29
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Brother Friendship posted:*stares into mirror* Don't doxx me
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The_Rob posted:My favorite narrative of the election was how dems were saying that it's ok that Clinton took money from banks because money doesn't give you any influence anyway. Bad dems this arguement again and again. Regardless if Clinton or Trump wall street bankers would get many high positions in the government especially for regulatory agencies.
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Mar 11, 2017 22:31
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The one disagreement I have with Joementum is he thinks we can't reform campaign finance because it would mean unions wouldn't be able to donate either. But all the other interests donate more than unions already so they would be losing less, not to mention it would free up money that unions are forced to spend on campaigns basically just to exist so they could do more for their members and take the message directly to the public. Also unions are hardly without sin, especially wrt political corruption. It's certainly an acceptable loss.
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Mar 11, 2017 22:50
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etalian posted:Bad dems this arguement again and again. That's why I voted socialist 
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Mar 11, 2017 23:06
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etalian posted:Bad dems this arguement again and again. It's fine as long as they're on our team!!!
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Mar 11, 2017 23:08
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The_Rob posted:"Oh yeah? lol" - Hillary Clinton when confronted about taking Wall Street money It's what they offered!
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Mar 11, 2017 23:10
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Mister Fister posted:It's what they offered!* *Please ignore terms put forth in regards to payment for speaking engagements
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Mar 11, 2017 23:12
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hillary should have used the ron paul excuse "why should i give back money to the banks to use for evil when i can use it for good??"
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Jeb! Repetition posted:The one disagreement I have with Joementum is he thinks we can't reform campaign finance because it would mean unions wouldn't be able to donate either. But all the other interests donate more than unions already so they would be losing less, not to mention it would free up money that unions are forced to spend on campaigns basically just to exist so they could do more for their members and take the message directly to the public. lol. real campaign finance reform would be a huge boon for unions. they have people power--GOTV, rallies, direct political influence in gov't by way of public unions, etc. if the money is gone these strengths are comparatively much greater. say it aint so, joe.
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Mar 12, 2017 01:34
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Gyra_Solune posted:imma be so pissed if she actually runs in 2020 
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The_Rob posted:"Oh yeah? lol" - Hillary Clinton when confronted about taking Wall Street money refuses to release speech transcripts in which she praised wall street bankers for being good for Main Street
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Mar 12, 2017 14:53
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please stop impugning our abuela's integrity
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Hey look bad dems are still blaming things like Comey for her loss: https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/fbi-director-james-comeys-october-surprise-doomed-hillary-clintons-candidacy-analysis/ Yup comey singlehandedly was able to turn multiple states she ignored red.
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just a reminder that dems are complaining about what comey did even though comey literally closed the investigation before the election after the FBI did their due diligence analysis
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the sum result of the investigation by the FBI was that there was nothing there that's what democrats are complaining about lol
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that dems are complaining about what comey did even though comey literally closed the investigation before the election after the FBI did their due diligence analysis better to blame external factors than admit that Hillary ran a bad campaign and sucks at winning contested elections.
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comedyblissoption posted:the sum result of the investigation by the FBI was that there was nothing there yeah but he publicly said "hey we gotta check a few more emails heads up before closing it" to congress
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comedyblissoption posted:just a reminder that dems are complaining about what comey did even though comey literally closed the investigation before the election after the FBI did their due diligence analysis tbh, they've got good reason to complain about comey publicly announcing he was reopening the investigation a week before the election. if he didn't intentionally gently caress with the election, he should be fired for being stupid enough to do so
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comey knew when he found those emails that he would not be able to complete a proper investigation into them until the election had already passed. and considering his previous investigation into hillary had turned up nothing illegal, he had no reason to believe that this pile of emails had anything illegal in them until he had investigated. so why did he announce reopening investigation publicly, when he knew this would be interpreted as the emails being potentially damning.
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Condiv posted:comey knew when he found those emails that he would not be able to complete a proper investigation into them until the election had already passed. and considering his previous investigation into hillary had turned up nothing illegal, he had no reason to believe that this pile of emails had anything illegal in them until he had investigated. so why did he announce reopening investigation publicly, when he knew this would be interpreted as the emails being potentially damning. Because not announcing it would make it look like he was hiding something. There's no scenario where he comes out looking bipartisan. Edit: I mean what happens had he found something the day of the election? How many people would even believe it if he hadn't previously announced they found a new source? You also falsely assume he was capable of keeping a lid on the entire thing and that no one under him would just leak it. mugrim has issued a correction as of 23:45 on Mar 12, 2017 |
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mugrim posted:Because not announcing it would make it look like he was hiding something. There's no scenario where he comes out looking bipartisan. if she did something illegal she should be impeached. that's what should happen to trump, and if hillary's emails actually amounted to something, that would be what happened to her he's not supposed to interfere with elections and the way he announced the huma emails can be viewed as nothing but, since he had nothing of substance when he announced. and 3 days later he said there was nothing of substance period.
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comey was stuck between a rock and a hard place politically and chose transparency with the american public about what was going on the fact that the investigation was wrapped up ASAP and concluded there was nothing new, the democrats should've stopped talking about it. it's insane that democrats still talk about it as if it was a significant factor in the election.
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etalian posted:Hey look bad dems are still blaming things like Comey for her loss: As someone who followed the election very closely: it's possible she would have won if Comey hadn't done what he did. But that doesn't excuse her because if she was a decent candidate there would have been no way whatsoever for Donald Trump to beat her.
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Vox Nihili posted:lol. real campaign finance reform would be a huge boon for unions. they have people power--GOTV, rallies, direct political influence in gov't by way of public unions, etc. if the money is gone these strengths are comparatively much greater. Yeah. And other interest groups couldn't do anything but buy TV ads with piano music and smiling people in white shirts about how it's good to turn frogs gay, convincing no one.
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If Comey was that big of a villain then Obama should have fired him.
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comedyblissoption posted:comey was stuck between a rock and a hard place politically and chose transparency with the american public about what was going on he hasnt disclosed poo poo about trump comey did gently caress with the election, but hes like 1 of the 100 things that caused her to lose and it was in her power to fix like 50 of them herself.
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anime was right posted:he hasnt disclosed poo poo about trump The whole email thing she could have easily controlled by not having the private email server setup to begin with due to her lovely paranoid nature.
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Are there not explicit FBI guidelines for announcing an investigation into a politician in the midst of an election?
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etalian posted:The whole email thing she could have easily controlled by not having the private email server setup to begin with due to her lovely paranoid nature. itd be cool if people talked about the several republicans with them nonstop at least.
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"Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris."
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anime was right posted:itd be cool if people talked about the several republicans with them nonstop at least. They did. Obama's response was to say that he wanted to look forward to the future rather than focusing on the transgressions of the past. I was furious then just like I'm pissed now. Likewise I hope Trump's admin goes to prison over it. Condiv posted:if she did something illegal she should be impeached. that's what should happen to trump, and if hillary's emails actually amounted to something, that would be what happened to her She would have to win to be impeached, and NOT announcing it would be decried by republicans who would also own the senate and house and begin investigations as to how the dems stopped Comey from coming forward. The dems had tons of candidates to choose from, and they pushed garbage to the top. Many in the party warned that maybe you don't prop up someone who's got 30 years of dirt and it was ignored. Condiv posted:he's not supposed to interfere with elections and the way he announced the huma emails can be viewed as nothing but, since he had nothing of substance when he announced. and 3 days later he said there was nothing of substance period. Had they found something 3 days later and announced it, if they hadn't announced the new email found in the first place people would call foul. There's literally no circumstance where his actions could be viewed as apolitical, so I'm fine with erring on the side of transparency. You also ignore that tons of people in the FBI hate HRC and would just leak it anyways. mugrim has issued a correction as of 03:30 on Mar 13, 2017 |
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everyone should have a voice, except these millions of people in small rural towns that are panicking and don't know how to rationalize their disintegrating way of life aside from blaming it on those not like themselves, a method the angry have used since time immemorial to handle stressful periods in life and has in kind been exploited since equally immemorial times we should ignore them and not help them since we just give up on trying to actually eliminate racism, it seems a lot of people are just racist and nothing whatsoever can be done, we just have to hope they don't mind that we worsen the perception that it's the fault of minorities by loudly proclaiming how great all the stuff we give them alone is we're amazing political strategists and we're totally clever enough to execute a good vision of the future, there's no way this could have any unforeseen consequences that'd bite us in the butt
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mugrim posted:You also ignore that tons of people in the FBI hate HRC and would just leak it anyways. What a bunch of jerks! Leaks like that undermine our very democra- oh Trump won... Leaks are good again!
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also all things considered HRC could barely have done jack poo poo domestically in office, both houses were going to stay Republican for 4 years anyway, and it would bring up to a decade the period of constant bickering between the branches and being unable to come to an agreement due to Republicans perpetually refusing any bill that is even remotely advantageous to Democrats, and she'd basically be a pariah regardless, likely leading to the complete and utter decimation of the party because hahahahah Hillary Rodham Clinton caring about the state of the Democratic Party beyond it getting her elected i don't buy into accelerationism on principle but in this case I think the ascension of an utterly ineffectual beyond war Clinton would have led to a century defined by a heavily empowered far alt-right, instead of merely a generation defined by one as we're getting now
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