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This was the only way to increase the stakes from the base game. The escalation has gone from: *An incompetent burgler *An incompetent blackmailer with the courts in his pocket *A competent mafiosa *The most ruthless prosecutor in the country, with a plan that spanned 15 years. (Right? It's been a while) *The Chief of Police, with the Chief Prosecutor in his pocket, and a 7 year scheme.
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With the chief prosecutor taking a fall for him, and the ridiculous set of privileges afforded to him that let him lord over the court and the prosecutors.
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Mar 15, 2017 18:20
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Pretty much nothing else in the series approaches this level of bullshit, imo, until the end of AAI.
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I don't remember ever having anything but positive feelings when I played the first game but I also don't remember it very well at all anymore. That being said I do remember a case I considered straight bullshit but forget what game it was in. In hindsight I also remember being surprised that this last cases cool examining and fingerprinting mini games were not in later releases. But I didn't know it was a "bonus" and just thought they ended the game strong.
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Mar 15, 2017 19:02
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Bullshit in terms of a ridiculous premise or bullshit in terms of "How can any legal system possibly sanction this?"?
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Mar 15, 2017 19:12
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Bullshit in terms of a ridiculous premise or bullshit in terms of "How can any legal system possibly sanction this?"? I'm not sure how far the OP is going to get, so I won't elaborate.
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Any sane legal system wouldn't even consider Ema capable of standing trial due to being way too young when comitting the "murder". But then again this is Japanofornia!
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CVE posted:Any sane legal system wouldn't even consider Ema capable of standing trial due to being way too young when comitting the "murder". But then again this is Japanofornia! She was 14. Plenty old in Japanifornia. Edgeworth was nine, and no one in the court seemed to find it weird that Edgeworth was confessing to that crime.
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 Ah, well, not the rubber glove at all then. Should have remembered it was a piece of evidence, and that as such, it doesn't really matter what its function is.Poor Ema. I have a feeling Lana's going to choke, and after that it's going to depend on her, somehow.
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Part of the reason why i don't really like Rise from the Ashes as much as it deserves is because it feels like it takes FOREVER and most of the good stuff happens in the latter half. So even if Gant is amazing, most of my feelings and memories of the case get muddied by the front-loaded ehhh. And in regards to AA4's smiling man falling under spoiler rule: he's on the goddamn box art are you kidding me
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It really doesn't help that much of Day 2 feels like filler where you're just building up to being able to prove that Marshall was the "second victim".
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Exercu posted:She was 14. Plenty old in Japanifornia. Edgeworth was nine, and no one in the court seemed to find it weird that Edgeworth was confessing to that crime. Huh 14 is older than I thought. For some reasons I thought Darke killings were much longer ago than two years. So no critic on my part then since it's the same age as here in Germany.
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Bonus update today! I'm feeling hype since we're near the end of the game and all my footage for the rest is now recorded. Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 4) - Part 9      : Now then... : Will the defendant, Ms. Lana Skye, please take the stand?  : Ms. Lana Skye. You are the Chief Prosecutor. : I'm sure you're aware of what is required of you. : But Mr. Edgeworth... you already know everything... : You know all that I've done these past two years.: ... : Please provide the court with your testimony, Ms. Skye.: And remember... you are under oath. We want to hear the truth. : Of course...: The truth... : Lana! No matter what happens, I'll always be your sister!: ...: Now then, your testimony, if you will.: First, tell us about your relationship with Gant. : (Everything hinges on your testimony. You're the only chance we have to get Gant!)       : Hmm...: Are you sure about this testimony?: Your Honor. I'm confessing to a capital offense.: Of course I'm sure.: But Lana...! : If this is true,: then that means Chief Gant has nothing to do with this.: That's what I've been telling you from the beginning. : Please, Mr. Wright. You've got to help her! She's sacrificing herself because of me... : (But what if she's telling the truth?) : She's not. I know my own sister. : Whenever she speaks stiffly like that, she's hiding something inside.: Deep down, she's really screaming in agony!: ...! (Yeah... This is no time to start second-guessing myself!): The defense may now begin its cross-examination.    : How many years, exactly?: Ever since I made senior detective.: Let's see, I was 24 then... so that would be five years.: Detective Gant and Detective Skye were: legendary partners. I personally saw them testify in numerous cases.: (She must have been good, coming from the same school as Mia...): Damon Gant was a respectable detective. That's why...  : But think about it, Ms. Skye! You didn't murder: Detective Goodman! : You told me as much yesterday in jail!: You still don't get it,: do you Mr. Wright? : Any testimony you cannot present in court is as useless as idle gossip.: ...!: I stabbed Detective Goodman with a knife.: And... : Did you do so to help your sister?: Joe Darke was a serial killer. : My sister almost became his last victim that day. I didn't want that incident to ruin her life.: But what she did was justifiable self-defense! : She wouldn't have been charged with anything...: That's not the point. She was traumatized that day, all because of that creep!: That's why I couldn't forgive him.: Lana... : So that's why you fabricated: the evidence two years ago? : You say you did this all by yourself?: Yes.: Would you mind telling us what you found when you arrived at the crime scene?: ...: It seems I was the first person to discover the scene.  : What!? : That's only a situation you dreamed was "possible.": ...!: The reality is, it wasn't my sister who took the prosecutor's life!: Fantasize all you want, Mr. Wright, but I'll never change this statement! : Something like that... : If that is so, : what happened to the other murder weapon?  : Oh,: that was lying on the floor a little distance away.: It was probably knocked away in the struggle.: (That's not how it went down! She's trying to cover up her lies with more lies!): All just to protect me...: So when you found the scene like this,: what did you do? After all,: this is what everything boils down to!: Yes...  : And then you moved the body?  : But why!? Why would you do that...?: You of all people should know, Edgeworth.: You've always had a good head on your shoulders.: ...!  : But why did you do that!?: Come now, Mr. Wright.: Even you should be able to figure it out.: ...: Very well, let's add this to the witness's testimony!: The reason Ms. Skye fabricated the knife! : According to your testimony, : Yes, and leaving it at that might point the blame away from Darke.: I felt the most effective way to get him convicted, : So you...: you buried it inside the victim's stab wound?: Yes.: Because I hated Darke for what he did.: Hmm...Not the most informative. But if we went back and tried the other option...  : When you showed up on the scene, where exactly was the victim's body?: It was where you deduced it was - by Chief Gant's desk.: But the body was found by your desk. : The reason for that is simple...: Let's have the witness explain this in more detail.: The reason Ms. Skye moved the body! : "Pieces of the jar..." You mean...? : In order to show that Darke committed the crime...: I felt it would be more expedient to move the body.: So...: when you first found the body, the jar was already...: Of course. It had been shattered to pieces.  : In other words, the jar must have been broken during their struggle. : I see.: ...: What's the matter, Ema?: Apparently the jar shattered at the time the crime was committed.: But I have a feeling there is more to it than that.: (There must be a contradiction here somewhere!): Anyway, I committed this fabrication completely alone. : So you rearranged the crime scene...: Are you sure you didn't do this to keep Ema from looking like the "murderer"?: How many times do I have to tell you, Mr. Wright? Ema didn't do it.: Period.: (Are you so desperate to hide that fact... you're willing to risk the death sentence?): She's lying! She did it so I wouldn't be blamed for what happened!: In any case...: as a prosecutor, what I've done is unpardonable. There's nothing I can do to make up for my actions.Loop. : Mr. Wright! My sister's lying!: Looks like she's determined to protect you to the end. She insists she fabricated the evidence by herself.: There's no way she could have done it alone!: (I've got to get Lana to talk more. If she's lying, then she's bound to slip up and make a contradiction!)Can you spot it?   : Ms. Skye, I understand how you feel.: You committed that "crime" two years ago to protect your sister.: You mean the forgery at the scene where Neil Marshall was murdered?: If the truth were to be exposed now,: the past two years of your life: will have been useless. Even so, I am compelled to bring to everyone's attention: a significant contradiction within your testimony! : A contradiction... in my testimony? : You testified, and I quote, "The pieces of the jar that shattered during the events threatened my plan.": That's right...: Do you have a problem with that?: It's a simple oversight, really.: You see, a message was written on the jar with the victim's blood.: Yes. The prosecutor must have written it in his final moments. : Exactly so. : And this is where the contradiction lies.: !: In order for the victim to be able to write his message on the jar,: it must not yet have been broken before he died!: Ah...  : Order! Order!: Your Honor. It would appear... more information is needed in regard to: this jar, and its bloody message!: We may be missing something critical here!: (Something critical...?): Chief Prosecutor.: It seems you're as in the dark as we are... about the truth towards which we're headed.: What...?: Just tell us exactly what you saw.: We'll piece together the information to arrive at the truth.: Very well! The witness may now continue her testimony!: ...      Next time: The final battle?
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Huh. So if Gant covered this all up to get Lana in his pocket, she wouldn't know how it was done. Hmm.
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If Ema wasn't responsible and had nothing to do with your actions, then why did you alter the crime scene? 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:If Ema wasn't responsible and had nothing to do with your actions, then why did you alter the crime scene? We have a confession, why would we need a motive or to possibly consider the fact that the Chief of Police publicly threatened her before her testimony? 
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Dirk the Average posted:We have a confession, why would we need a motive or to possibly consider the fact that the Chief of Police publicly threatened her before her testimony? We're Lana's defense lawyer. You want her to be found innocent. It's Phoenix's job.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:If Ema wasn't responsible and had nothing to do with your actions, then why did you alter the crime scene? To prevent her having to go through a court case and relive the trauma I would assume.
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I imagine the scenario she offers is that she really wanted Darke dead, knew they didn't really have a sufficient case against him, and so just framed him for Marshall's death so he could hang.
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Shogeton posted:I imagine the scenario she offers is that she really wanted Darke dead, knew they didn't really have a sufficient case against him, and so just framed him for Marshall's death so he could hang. Yeah, that's how it always read to me. It's not that she didn't want to protect Ema, it's that she's claiming she was far more interested in getting something to stick on Darke, so that drove her actions before "help my kid sister" even came to her mind. Basically, "I wasn't doing this to save you, but to help myself" even though everyone with eyes and a brain can see the bullshit from orbit.
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KataraniSword posted:even though everyone with eyes and a brain can see the bullshit from orbit. So basically just Phoenix and Edgeworth.
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IAmTheRad posted:We're Lana's defense lawyer. You want her to be found innocent. It's Phoenix's job. Yes. I was speaking from the point of view of the Judge/legal system.
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By the way for anyone interested: Turnbout Musical is complete. Covers up until the Von Karma case I believe, so the LP is beyond the spoiler zone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyfm6p0L8b8 Oh my god they've worked in screwing up tutorial answers: "My client, Mia Fay... I mean Larry Butz..." Something interesting to see in the series could be if Maya ever had to channel someone from an old case due to having info on events a long time ago, only for them to immediately demand Edgeworth be removed from the room because of his behaviour as the Demon Prosecutor getting the wrong person executed on obviously forged evidence and letting his murderer go free as a consequence. BioEnchanted fucked around with this message at 12:24 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 4) - Part 10  : I wasn't Chief Prosecutor at the time.: She didn't think Darke was the real murderer. That's why she tried to erase the "real evidence.": Very well. The defense may now begin its cross-examination.  : So the jar was already broken?: It's a miracle that thing hadn't broken earlier.: It certainly looks as feeble as the defense's case... : (But not as feeble as the judge's judgment...): You were an ace detective who never missed a detail. Do you really expect us to believe: you didn't investigate what was written on the jar pieces?: Normally I would have, : So you didn't know your sister's name was written on the jar?: No.: If I had known...: I would have gathered all the pieces and ground them to dust.: (Well, that helps my case...): Lana... you'd do that for me?: It seems you two might make up yet.: Anyway, I just barely had enough time to move the body as it was.: If someone happened upon the scene, you'd lose your chance to erase the evidence.: You must have been in a hurry.: I was.: I knew I had to destroy the evidence before anyone came.: This is rather shocking... : I'm afraid that action of yours reveals: what really happened.: What do you mean?: If you really thought Darke killed Prosecutor Marshall,: you wouldn't have wiped away the blood.: ,,, What else could I have done in that situation?: Lana...: I only had a few moments.: There wasn't enough time for me to do anything else but gather up the pieces. : But how could you see with the power out?: It should have been pitch black in that office.: A detective is always prepared, Mr. Wright.: Even now I always carry: a pocket light and a camera with me.: Even I carry my a bottle of emergency Luminol where I go!my a bottle? : I never miss anything. I got every last piece. : So you illegally rearranged the crime scene?: Yes. I don't have any excuse for my actions.: I'm so sorry, Lana. I didn't know... I've treated you so badly all this time...: (It's not too late. There's still plenty of time to make up... After we've gotten to the bottom of this incident!): No doubt this day will leave a permanent stain on the history of the Prosecutor's Office.Loop. : More contradictions have: surfaced in her testimony.: Your sister's really putting up a fight. She must really care about you. Still, she's not doing this the right way...: ...!: (I think I've finally figured out the contradictions in her testimony. There's one final "possibility" that might turn everything around!)Can you figure out Phoenix's plan?  : Ms. Skye. I believe this jar conceals a truth even you were unaware of.: What? : In the Chief's safe?: But how...?: (I knew it! She really didn't know!): There's something even more disturbing about that final piece:  : But the witness just testified...: that she gathered every last piece and wiped the blood off of them!: Yes,: which leaves us with only one explanation.: On the night Prosecutor Marshall was murdered...: you were not the first one to show up on the scene!   : But couldn't the defendant have simply missed a piece?: I'm afraid that's unlikely.: The pieces are too big for anyone to miss, let alone an ace detective!: That may well be, but everyone makes mistakes. Even I once wasted an entire day: looking for my dentures. They were in my mouth all along! Ha! Can you believe that!?: Have you forgotten, Your Honor? When this witness arrived at the scene,: the jar was already broken.: Oh, that...: There's no way a name could have been written on a shattered jar. : I hope you're not implying this "person" was Chief Gant. At the time, he was looking: for Darke downstairs. Besides, even if he was there first, why would he break the jar?: The question is, if he did arrive there first, why did he hide that fact for two years!?: ...  : Wait,: I'm not the one on trail here!Trail? : Damon Gant arrived at the crime scene prior to the witness. : Question:: What is this action called?: Fabrication...: B-but why would Chief Gant do that!?: In light of what happened afterwards,: isn't it clear?: What happened afterwards...?: Discovering the scene, Lana Skye believed her sister Ema killed the victim. Determined to help her sister,: she sought Gant's aid. : sparing Ema. And here is the reason!  : Please, Sis! Stop trying to protect the chief! I... I can't watch you suffer any more for my sake... : No, you didn't! It wasn't you, Ema! You didn't kill anyone! Don't believe anything Mr. Wright says!: Defense attorneys make up the he most foul lies to defend their clients!He? : "Foul lies"...? (Imagine that, coming from my own client!): Hmm... I guess you do seem the type who likes to twist the truth.: ...: !: (Wait a minute... What if...) : Is something wrong, Mr. Wright?: Lana...: may be right after all.: ! What do you mean, Wright?: So you do tell foul lies then, Mr. Wright?: Ms. Skye! Please testify once more!: But...: If evidence was "fabricated" behind your back...: then Ema's accidental killing of Prosecutor Marshall...: might also be a lie!: B-but, I do remember: knocking over Mr. Marshall...: Ms. Skye! If you will!: ...: I... I can't...: There's nothing to be afraid of anymore.: ...!: This cross-examination may not change a thing.: However, there is a possibility that it will,: if you tell the truth!: ... Very well.: I'll testify...: about what I really saw.: All right.: The witness may testify once more, for the final time!        : Unbelievable! The body was impaled on: the armor's sword?: You were the only one: who saw that.: If only you had proof...: ... Actually,: I do have proof.: !: I gave it to: Mr. Wright just this morning.: What?: To me?: It's a picture I took of the crime scene as I encountered it. I thought: it might be needed.: But I don't remember receiving a picture like that...: Lana must have known...: See. Mr. Wright? She really does have faith in you! : Very well, Mr. Wright. Please present this "picture"!: (I don't remember receiving any pictures from Lana...): Lana said she gave it to you this morning, right?: I seem to remember getting something from her then...: Let's check that evidence again!: There must be a picture in there somewhere! Checking it no longer takes it to the book's contents, however.  : Hey... There's a picture here! : Oh... Oh my... This is... the actual crime scene...!: No other detective saw the crime scene like this. That's because I contacted Criminal Affairs only after I rearranged the scene. : *gasp* Mr. Wright! That piece cut out from his vest! Could that be...: (The cloth we found inside Chief Gant's safe!)  : That cloth... It had fingerprints on it!: Whosever fingerprints those are must be: the real murderer!: (What!? But those fingerprints... They're yours, Ema!): Why are your lips turning all purple, Mr. Wright?: Anyway, let's get on with the cross-examination.: So long as you tell the truth, we should be able to flush out the real murderer.: Very well. The defense may now begin its cross-examination.     : Come now, Udgey. : This is the poorest excuse for a trial I've ever seen!: Chief Gant... : What, now you want to make me out as the bad guy too? : If so, I'd like to put in a word or two in my defense.Next time: Oh, poo poo. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Testify or don't man, Jesus.
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The judge's breakdown.  Night10194 posted:Do you ever think the Judge sees Phoenix walk into the courtroom and just goes 'ugh, this is gonna be a long day.'? Yes. Also, in regards to the picture Sam posted:A quick aside: why would Lana take this photo? According to her, she was so afraid of Ema being implicated that she falsified evidence, but she chose to take this photo of the crime scene as it was before she changed it? And had it developed and printed? And then, I guess, kept it in a book in her office? Also, regardless of the fact that I was unable to see it until now, the fact is that Phoenix received this photo at recess--that is, while Lana was still maintaining the lie that this had nothing to do with covering up for Ema. What the gently caress is Lana's game here? "Here's a photo of the actual crime scene as I found it, but please don't look at it until the plot-appointed time!" Blueberry Pancakes fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Mar 18, 2017 |
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Do you ever think the Judge sees Phoenix walk into the courtroom and just goes 'ugh, this is gonna be a long day.'?
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It lets him get out of going to the pool with Gant. That guy is way too interested in seeing the Judge in his swim shorts, it's probably been weirding the Judge out for years.
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How does Gant's interrupt work? Does he immediately interrupt the cross-examination, or whenever you decide to press?
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Immediate, it happens before interaction can.
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This trial is never....Going...To end. All sequels are just further examinations of who really killed cowboy cop's brother that horrible night.
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Night10194 posted:Do you ever think the Judge sees Phoenix walk into the courtroom and just goes 'ugh, this is gonna be a long day.'? Yes. Definitely. To the point where the judge in later games gets used to trials getting absurd whenever Phoenix pokes his head into the court.
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Motherfucker, you already gave up your right to testify, go sit with the bailiff until you're finally jailed, poo poo. Revelations are now coming so slowly (and are being IMMEDIATELY second-guessed, which makes them feel unimportant), it feels like they're just intentionally padding out the case now.
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Exchanges basically end up being like (fictional example): Judge: So, your saying the badger was on the scene of the crime, and that the bitemarks came from him checking if the bailiff was actually dead? Nick: Yup. Judge: Send out an indictment for the badger. Mr Wright will possibly want to cross examine him... Prosecutor Du Jour: WHAT? You cannot be serious! Judge: He got workable testimony from a Parrot once, I stopped caring about precedent a long time ago. Edgeworth (from the gallery): DUDE, PDJ! YOUR CASE IS OFFICIALLY hosed! Now you'll see how I felt, or maybe you should do what I did, pull your head out of your rear end and DO YOUR JOB PROPERLY!
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Polaron posted:This trial is never....Going...To end. All sequels are just further examinations of who really killed cowboy cop's brother that horrible night. If it's any consolation, we're not too far off from the end. I think. Been a while since I did this case. 
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Exercu posted:Yes. Definitely. To the point where the judge in later games gets used to trials getting absurd whenever Phoenix pokes his head into the court. Not an effect of Wright himself but rather of his clientele.
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Polaron posted:This trial is never....Going...To end. All sequels are just further examinations of who really killed cowboy cop's brother that horrible night. It's a symptom of the last cases of every game having to escalate off another. And when you start with dethroning Von Karma...
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You wouldn't believe how much mileage these games get out of the parrot precedent in this game. It basically excuses any shenanigans they can come up with by saying "It's still not as bad as when he interrogated a parrot once..."
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HenryEx posted:You wouldn't believe how much mileage these games get out of the parrot precedent in this game. It basically excuses any shenanigans they can come up with by saying "It's still not as bad as when he interrogated a parrot once..." Well, you know. Not like it isn't true and correct.
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