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chupacabraTERROR posted:Sometimes people have to go to dinner with bigwigs who all drive fancy German cars. While I don't usually feel the need to measure dicks, it's a little embarrassing when your car gets valet'd first and 3 guys worth 10s of millions watch as you get into your 15yr old shitbox. I can empathize with the forums poster Raimondo. I will admit this is a funny mental image.
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I live in Vegas, where valets are full of $150k+ cars. There's a LOCALS casino where I see a Diablo and a several Ferraris. Nobody cares if you valet a 15 year old shitbox. Just keep your car in good condition and you'll be fine. You should strive to keep a clean car anyway; it is good for your morale and your health.
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Mar 17, 2017 05:12
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Wasabi the J posted:Nobody cares if you valet a 15 year old shitbox. Just keep your car in good condition and you'll be fine. Your boss does, if it reflects on him/her or the company. Just sayin'. Some people have jobs where appearance matters, and unfortunately that can sometimes include your car.
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Mar 17, 2017 05:14
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Michael Scott posted:Why are you embarrassed valeting the Focus? Michael Scott posted:Why exactly do you want a new car? Michael Scott posted:Your budget range is huge, I would narrow that down to what you really want, if you actually want another car.
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Mar 17, 2017 05:17
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Your boss does, if it reflects on him/her or the company. Just sayin'. Some people have jobs where appearance matters, and unfortunately that can sometimes include your car. Sorry, I kinda actually forgot; this is why I still recommend keeping your car clean. On a more personal note, gently caress having a job that requires that kind of song or dance that doesn't offer a company vehicle.
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Mar 17, 2017 06:05
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Coffee is for closers!
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Mar 17, 2017 14:22
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If hauling lots of people is the main requirement, get a minivan. Odysseys are very nice. The new Pacificas are supposed to be pretty great, too.
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Mar 17, 2017 14:24
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Lexus LS430. It's a giant boat that can fit everyone comfortably, can be had for way less than $15k, is a luxury badge without German maintenance costs and the meh fuel economy is negligible if you're only driving it 5,000 miles/year.
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Mar 17, 2017 14:51
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Your boss does, if it reflects on him/her or the company. Just sayin'. Some people have jobs where appearance matters, and unfortunately that can sometimes include your car. If your boss wants you to show up in an Audi then they need to pay you Audi money, not 10 year old civic money. Raimondo posted:To be able to go places with 4 people comfortably. We've only ever owned compacts (civics and a focus). I've never been able to offer to drive when a group of friends want to go out without people in the back holding their knees. We regularly take my parents out, and I usually just drive their Buick since there's no way they can get into our cars. Some of the new Buicks don't actually look bad and from what I hear they're pretty eager to sell them. Or go VW like the poster above suggested since they cheap at the moment, VW is in a weird place - they're the top seller worldwide.... but that diesel emissions cheating scandal just keeps widening, their HQ got raided by the cops just the other day.
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Mar 17, 2017 14:54
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IRQ posted:If your boss wants you to show up in an Audi then they need to pay you Audi money, not 10 year old civic money. Most people think "Audi money" means "enough money to afford the lease on an Audi"
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Mar 17, 2017 16:37
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FWIW, my dad was showing up to those things in a 10 year old base model camry in poo poo brown and they made him managing partner of the largest regional lawfirm here. He now shows up in an old infiniti with 200k mi, so movin' on up. What you really need is his other car, a 40 year old bright orange sports car. Thats a "classic" which means everyone thinks it cost lots of money. Basically what I'm saying op, is buy a very loud 240z and drive it to all the meetings. Don't let the valet anywhere near it. Edit: backseats? Guess you could buy a dime. nm fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Mar 17, 2017 |
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Mar 17, 2017 16:42
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RE AudiChat: basically, I was just responding to this post:Michael Scott posted:Why are you embarrassed valeting the Focus? I'm not saying everyone should be embarrassed by valet-ing a 10yr old Focus, but sometimes this thread is an echo chamber of "if you don't buy a 2007 prius single-owner with immaculate maintenance records you are a moron". I was just trying to say that yes, sometimes people want to upgrade and there are perfectly rational reasons to do so. Not everyone has these situations, and like nm says, sometimes people in these situations DGAF. The CEO of my company drove a beater civic for years when he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars. But sometimes I go to dinners with him and people from outside the company, and sometimes people just have certain expectations of the kinds of people they fly thousands of miles to come visit (i.e. why'd I fly all the way out here if these guys aren't big shots, etc.). I realize my situation is probably an outlier, since apparently I'm the unicorn who is in these kinds of situations but don't really feel rich enough to properly keep up with the joneses, but I've been triggered so v  v
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Mar 17, 2017 17:31
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I'm embarrassed when I drive up in my WRX because I know they think I'm an rear end in a top hat, but they're probably right.
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Mar 17, 2017 17:35
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Just buy a black Passat. They're cheaper than Kias, look kind of stodgy and boring and many people still think VW is a respectable car company.
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Mar 17, 2017 17:56
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For the record, the prius is the perfect not expensive car that don't say cheap. People will just think you like polar bears and poo poo.
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Mar 17, 2017 19:47
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nm posted:For the record, the prius is the perfect not expensive car that don't say cheap. People will just think you like polar bears and poo poo. You pay for that in mind-numbing boredom, though. It's the car for people who don't like cars.
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Mar 17, 2017 20:05
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Which is like 95% of the people on earth.
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Mar 17, 2017 20:34
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"Fun to drive" didn't seem to be on the list of things the guy who doesn't want to look cheap cared about. In fact he was asking for a mid-full size sedan he can haul people around in that will look respectable to snooty assholes. So Prius honestly isn't a terrible recommendation either. Unless the snooty assholes in question are car people in addition to being rich.
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Mar 17, 2017 20:49
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chupacabraTERROR posted:RE AudiChat: basically, I was just responding to this post: Right but I really don't think any of your post applies to the man asking what you can get for five grand, or fifteen.
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Mar 17, 2017 21:43
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Right but I really don't think any of your post applies to the man asking what you can get for five grand, or fifteen. Nope, like I said, I was responding to Michael Scott's response to OP, who triggered me about the tone of this thread sometimes wrt priuses (prii?) and other non-luxury cars. I totally own that I'm projecting my thoughts onto the original OP.
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Mar 17, 2017 22:09
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I don't think the thread really has an issue recommending nicer cars, it's just that in general Americans buy way more car than they can afford and Whatever Shall the Valet Think, Marcia?!?! is just used as strange justification for keeping up with the Joneses. If you really need a car to impress clients and the firm's shot callers, you probably make plenty of money and won't be taking out a 72 month loan with no money down on a base model A4 at 5.5%. when people have said they need something nice and have the budget to support, the thread usually recommends nice things. Edit: Michael Scott is also a grade-A idiot.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:23
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I'm really not, but thanks for being a dick out of nowhere Kyoon! I don't think there's anything wrong with a nice car but wanted to learn more about the OP's rationale, which I have. gently caress off.
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Mar 18, 2017 19:25
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Hey speaking of nice cars. Assuming one wants a Lexus type car, has the budget of a Lexus type car (45k?) but has mental hangups about spending that much, what should they get? Toyota Avalon?
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TheReverend posted:Hey speaking of nice cars. Assuming one wants a Lexus type car, has the budget of a Lexus type car (45k?) but has mental hangups about spending that much, what should they get? A certified pre owned version of what you want that is 3-4 years old so that someone else has already eaten nearly half of the depreciation. If you're really talking Lexus and not Audi/BMW/etc a 3-4 year old gently used car that has been CPO'd is drat near a new car.
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Mar 19, 2017 17:12
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Awesome. Thanks bud. Lexus is kinda what I am after once I move later this year. One question for learning's sake: Why is there an exception for those German brands?
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Mar 19, 2017 17:18
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TheReverend posted:Awesome. Thanks bud. Lexus is kinda what I am after once I move later this year. Higher maintenance requirements, more likelihood of expensive things breaking. By partially anecdotal/partially quality surveys/partially personal bias: if you want to buy German, get a Porsche.
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Mar 19, 2017 17:21
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TheReverend posted:Hey speaking of nice cars. Assuming one wants a Lexus type car, has the budget of a Lexus type car (45k?) but has mental hangups about spending that much, what should they get? A 2 or 3 year old Buick Lacrosse, Cadillac XTS or Chevy Impala. Or a Lincoln Continental in a year or two once they start coming off lease.
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Nah that's be pointless as I'm looking for something comfortable to be stuck in traffic in. Driving a Porsche on 285 would just make me sad. I'll still probably end up driving this Prius until it dies.
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TheReverend posted:Awesome. Thanks bud. Lexus is kinda what I am after once I move later this year. They tend to be high cost/high reward vehicles. Being in them and driving them is wonderful so their owners love them, but they tend to require a lot of maintenance and everything costs twice as much.
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Motronic posted:If you're really talking Lexus and not Audi/BMW/etc a 3-4 year old gently used car that has been CPO'd is drat near a new car. e: whoops nevermind, already answered!
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Motronic posted:Higher maintenance requirements, more likelihood of expensive things breaking. By partially anecdotal/partially quality surveys/partially personal bias: if you want to buy German, get a Porsche. Speaking of German brands, anyone have any reliability opinions on the latest gen GTI? It's been out for a few years and I may be interested in either a new or CPO one. Curious if the general VW/German car concept of "don't own outside of warranty" holds true.
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chupacabraTERROR posted:Speaking of German brands, anyone have any reliability opinions on the latest gen GTI? It's been out for a few years and I may be interested in either a new or CPO one. Curious if the general VW/German car concept of "don't own outside of warranty" holds true. Don't take this as a comprehensive "what to buy/not to buy" list, but the JD Power initial quality surveys are always interesting: http://www.jdpower.com/press-releases/2016-us-initial-quality-study-iqs Also there are long term reliability studies: http://www.jdpower.com/cars/articles/jd-power-studies/2017-us-vehicle-dependability-study-results I'm sure somebody breaks these down by model, but if you take a look at those two surveys it confirms my previously stated confirmation bias: buy a Lexus or a Porsche.
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Initial quality just tracks problems in the first 90 days or something doesn't it?
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prom candy posted:Initial quality just tracks problems in the first 90 days or something doesn't it? It also considers a bluetooth glitch the same as a failed transmission. "1 problem"
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Mar 20, 2017 02:27
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prom candy posted:Initial quality just tracks problems in the first 90 days or something doesn't it? Yeah, and as I recall, it doesn't track severity of the defects, just number of them (at least it didn't used to). So a loose trim piece is just as bad a wheel falling off. These guys seem to have the best methodology, but it's based on UK warranty claims - so it's of limited utility in the US.
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I've heard Focus ST owners saying their reliability rating is BS because it's all MyFord issues. I've also heard GTI owners saying they're very reliable if you stick to the maintenance schedule and don't tune them. I guess that raises the question of if you can consider a car reliable even if it needs a lot of maintenance.
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Mar 20, 2017 02:34
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prom candy posted:I've heard Focus ST owners saying their reliability rating is BS because it's all MyFord issues. I've also heard GTI owners saying they're very reliable if you stick to the maintenance schedule and don't tune them. That's part of the problem. Some companies have regular service intervals where they periodically replace belts and hoses and stuff whether it needs it or not, and you may run up an $800 bill for it all - but it's "maintenance." Another company prefers letting them go until they break, and then it's a "repair." That's part of why American cars have traditionally looked so bad compared to the Japanese.
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prom candy posted:I've heard Focus ST owners saying their reliability rating is BS because it's all MyFord issues. I've also heard GTI owners saying they're very reliable if you stick to the maintenance schedule and don't tune them. Everyone claims their cars are reliable except EJ25 owners. VW owners were claiming B5 passats and MKIV Jetta/Golfs were reliable too. The closest thing to a reliable source on this is what CR says -- they will weigh the type of repair as well. Reliability measures aren't really that useful until like 3-5 years out until a car is really bad (i.e. Fiat).
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prom candy posted:I guess that raises the question of if you can consider a car reliable even if it needs a lot of maintenance. I would definitely argue yes. People wrap too much meaning up into "reliable" to also mean "low maintenance" and "low TCO". It is the difference between routine maintenance and repair. If you can reliably predict and schedule your maintenance and have few failures outside of the maintenance schedule that is definitely a reliable vehicle, but it may not be a low maintenance or low TCO vehicle. Unfortunately that's not how most car owners view things. They think "reliable" means you only put gas in and drive for 100k miles and then get pissed when their brake pads need changed and their tires are bald and the car is "on its last legs" and time to buy a new one and repeat.
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prom candy posted:I've heard Focus ST owners saying their reliability rating is BS because it's all MyFord issues. I've also heard GTI owners saying they're very reliable if you stick to the maintenance schedule and don't tune them. In 9 out of 10 cases, "Need a lot of maintenance" is just German car apologist speak for "poorly built, under-engineered garbage". Maintenance schedules for most cars are available on their websites, you can check for yourself to see if there's anything particularly out of the ordinary. I can't think of anything maintenance wise for current VWs that is particularly different from other brands, other than the DSG fluid change (the 1 out of 10 case). EDIT: Maybe the intake carbon cleaning for DI engines too but I'm pretty sure that's not even a thing that VW admits to be a problem and just another thing that VW buuyers came up with themselves. Don't think any VW maintenance book says "keep spare ignition coils in your glovebox" or "periodically drain the coolant from your taillamps". Throatwarbler fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Mar 20, 2017 |
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