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Mar 18, 2017 23:01
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In Mors defense on that one - they couldn't see the typo - the power was out 
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Mar 18, 2017 23:05
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Mors Rattus posted:
I guess Ema keeps her B bottle of Luminol at home.
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Mar 18, 2017 23:57
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Shady Amish Terror posted:Motherfucker, you already gave up your right to testify, go sit with the bailiff until you're finally jailed, poo poo. It does look rather clumsy, doesn't it? I do have to admire the foresight and ballsiness of Gant setting up this obviously fake trail in his contingency safe literally years ago, just in case. Not quite to the level of von Karma, but certainly up there.
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Mar 19, 2017 00:16
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Well, if Lana ever decided to turn herself in, he wouldn't want to be implicated. I'm not sure this is Von Karma foresight as it is just basic planning for blackmail.
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Mar 19, 2017 00:48
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I would have loved if they completely no sold him and just told him to be quiet since he choose to use his right to remain silent prior and then went into the cross examination. But then again that wouldn't be the Phoenix we have come to know.
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Mar 19, 2017 00:57
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Double Plus Undead posted:Well, if Lana ever decided to turn herself in, he wouldn't want to be implicated. I'm not sure this is Von Karma foresight as it is just basic planning for blackmail. I think it's just the blackmail material he's holding over her head. If she starts to act out he can just suddenly unearth this evidence that implicates her sister.
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Mar 19, 2017 02:55
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So if I've got the sequence of events correct... -Darke escapes, goes into Ema's room, Neil Marshall follows. This doesn't seem to be in dispute. -Darke gets knocked out by Ema, but Marshall somehow dies, I guess by Ema pushing him into the statue? -Gant arrives on the scene, manipulates evidence, leaves? -Lana arrives on the scene, manipulates the manipulated evidence? -Gant re-arrives on the scene, helping Lana manipulate the manipulated evidence? If that's right, how did Gant get in and out of the room before Lana arrived? Is he blackmailing Lana into covering up a crime according to the way that he arranged it? How can I pin this one on that guilty-rear end  who escaped the deep fryer of justice the last time around?e - fixed the Darke/Marshall second point C. Everett Koop fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Mar 19, 2017 |
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Mar 19, 2017 21:53
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C. Everett Koop posted:So if I've got the sequence of events correct... Darke goes into the shared office of Lana and Gant, where Ema is waiting. Darke is knocked out, later convicted of Marshall's murder and then executed for it.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:01
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ultrabindu posted:Darke goes into the shared office of Lana and Gant, where Ema is waiting. Screwed up Darke/Marshall in my second point, fixed what I meant.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:06
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C. Everett Koop posted:So if I've got the sequence of events correct... I'm going to guess this step also involves killing Marshall by impaling him on the statue. I'd bet Ema didn't actually kill him at all. I'm happy to be able to join in the guessing here, since I never was able to get my hands on a copy of the first game. I guess I was late to play the series.
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Mar 19, 2017 22:46
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Every game except #4 and the Investigation titles is on the 3DS eShop at present.
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Mar 19, 2017 23:04
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And I swear I remember hearing about how they ported 4 to iOS, but... Given the quality of the trilogy port, I'm skeptical on how good it actually is. ...Which reminds me, I'll post an image with some of the more egregious typos that port had when this case is done (since it still has some major spoilers for the ending).
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Mar 20, 2017 01:00
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Was Gant just watching from the spectator's box this whole time?
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Mar 20, 2017 03:27
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He purportedly had a lunch date, though I wouldn't put it past him to have actually been there the whole time. Why come back, though? They can't conclusively link anything to him yet, can they? The more time he spends on the stand, the worse it is for himself. Just look at Redd White, man!
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Mar 20, 2017 03:31
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Regalingualius posted:And I swear I remember hearing about how they ported 4 to iOS, but... Given the quality of the trilogy port, I'm skeptical on how good it actually is. I've really enjoyed all the AA iOS ports, but I never played the games on the DS/3DS so I don't have a point of comparison.
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Mar 20, 2017 06:56
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Ehhh, to each their own, but aside from the... Script issues, I really disliked the "redone" sprites for the most part.
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Mar 20, 2017 07:02
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Regalingualius posted:Ehhh, to each their own, but aside from the... Script issues, I really disliked the "redone" sprites for the most part. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying in my case ignorance is probably bliss. 
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Mar 20, 2017 07:04
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The sprites in AJ iOS are much better than the trilogy.
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Mar 20, 2017 13:23
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Case 5 - Rise From the Ashes Trial (Day 4) - Part 11  : If so, I'd like top ut in a word or two in my defense.  : I'm afraid it's too late for that. : What? : You already declined testimony. That means : you forfeited your right to make statements of any sort. : ... : (This must be the "risk" the judge was talking about...): Just sit back, relax...: and enjoy the sound of the noose tightening around your own neck. : ...!: Sorry to disappoint you, : but I don't : need to make any statements.  : What do you mean?: The evidence will do all the talking for me.: Even if I can't testify, I can still present evidence. : Yes, that's true... : Wait! You mean...: you still have some conclusive evidence? : No, I don't.: But someone does.: "Someone"...?: So then... what's your excuse Wrighto?: ...!: Why have you been keeping quiet about it? You do have something to show us, right?: Something that proves who knocked over Neil Marshall, causing his death.: Conclusive evidence that leaves no room for doubt!: I-is this true, Mr. Wright!?: ...   : Mr. Wright! If you have any more evidence, present it now! And if you try to conceal anything... you will be the one appearing before the : Board of Inquiries!: (What do I do now!? I'd better think this through carefully. I can't afford to make the wrong decision!) : (Should I present that piece of evidence?) Well, it's never failed us before!    : Yes, Your Honor. I do have further evidence. : All right! The time's finally come to show it to them! : Those prints have got to be : the Chief's!: Now then, let's see this "conclusive" evidence!    : What's this!? : Surely it must have been left on the cloth by whoever: shoved the victim into the sword.: What? Who's fingerprints are on this!?Who's? : I'm sure Wrighto has checked,: haven't you?: ...!: Well? Whose are they!?: .........They're Ms. Skye's. Ms. Ema Skye's.: What!? : They're mine...? So I really did do it...: See?: I told you it was: conclusive.  : But this was found in your safe! : That means it's possible you forged it!: I don't know what you're talking about.: !: I don't remember any cloth in my safe. Do you really expect me: to believe that?: But...! : Give it up, Mr. Wright. It's over.: !: You shouldn't have presented that... By presenting that evidence,: you tied Ema Skye to Neil Marshall's death. : No... : It appears we have our killer.: NNNO...  In the end, Lana was found guilty.  So, that didn't go so hot. But hey, what if we...didn't present evidence?  : Your Honor,: I don't have any evidence I can present at this point in time.: What!? You lie!: Chief Gant? : You... you opened my safe! I know you took what was inside!: The conclusive evidence!  : I don't know what you're talking about. : Mr. Wright! Why don't you show them? We found it together!: Oh, I see. It's because you know the truth, don't you? You know whose fingerprints are on it. That's why you won't present it!: What are you talking about,: Chief Gant!?  : It looks like part of it's been cut off for some reason.: You mean, you had this...?: In your safe?: What!?: That means you... the Chief of Police... concealing evidence! This is going to be the: biggest scandal in the history of the Police Department!!! : ... Impressive... To be honest, I didn't think you had the gall, Wrighto.: ...!: Well,: I can't just let you pin me up as the murderer.: I'll tell you what really happened.: What!? You mean: you admit to it!?: I was the first person to arrive at the crime scene that day. It then occurred to me that: I could use the situation to control Lana.: So you realy were manipulating her!: I knew: Lana.: If I made it look like the blame lay with her sister...: That when she saw the scene, she would ask me for my aid.: So you "assisted" Ms. Skye!: I told her to arrange all the evidence. I had her plant the knife tip in the victim's body, and move the body across the room.: And I ended up using that evidence: to get Joe Darke convicted!: When we rearranged the crime scene,: I hid two pieces of evidence.: I did this before Lana arrived at the scene.: Two pieces of evidence...: You mean those items in your safe!: But... why?: For insurance,: of course.: "Insurance"...?: I was sure my plan would work, but it's always best to be prepared for the worst.: I wasn't about to let anyone blame me for a murder that girl committed.: You mean you were calcluating that far ahead: while forging the evidence!?: Who do you take me for, a fool?: I didn't make police chief by dumb luck.   : But if you fabricated all the evidence... : Ho ho ho... Some people just don't know when to quit, do they? That's why I kept one more item for "insurance." : You mean: that piece of cloth?: Come on, Wrighto. Cough it up, already.: I know you have it.: ...: What are you waiting for, Mr. Wright?: So you admit to it then, Chief Gant? : Yes, I admit it. I didn't want to have to do that, being Chief and all, but it's a lot better than: being portrayed as a murderer!: Well, Mr. Wright?: What do you have to say for yourself?: Just a moment ago, you said you didn't have any evidence you could present.: Foolish move, Wrighto. You should have shown it then before it was too late.: (It's been a long battle...)   : (No! It's too late to show the evidence now!): (Besides, even if I did...): (it'd just expose that poor girl's fingerprints!): Wright. Think hard over the circumstances.: The circumstances...?: I'm talking about "then" and "now.": There's one major difference between the two.: Weren't you waiting for that difference?: ...! (So...) : Mr. Wright! This is your only chance!And that leaves us where the right choice does.  : Your Honor,: I do have evidence ot present now.: All right then, let's see this "conclusive" evidence! : Let me verify this once more.: On the day of the crime,: you personally cut out this piece of the victim's vest?: Oh, yes!: At last you've finally brought it out into the open.: There's a handprint: on this piece of cloth!: Your Honor! The prosecution requests that be immediately sent to the lab for analysis! This handprint on the leather...: There must have been a strong impact for it to be left so clearly!: !: You mean...   : Ho ho ho... You're as slow on the uptake as ever, Worthy!: What?: Think about it. Wrighto had all this time to present this evidence... : ...! You mean you already know?: You know whose fingerprints are on that?: M-Mr. Wright... Do you really know?: Whoever the fingerprints belong to must be the real murderer!: Whose fingerprints are the they!? : Very well. I'll tell you.  : Ema?: Ema Skye!?: What!?: They're mine...!? : I'm sorry, Ema...: But why... : Why didn't you tell me!?: Oh ho ho ho!: You're really something, Wrighto! : and you still tried to pin the murder on me! : So it's true. Tragic, but true.: This girl really did shove Prosecutor Marshall to his death.  : How could you!? You... you monster!!!: Ms. Skye...: You knew whose fingerprints those were all along, yet you... : you acted like she really didn't...: Ms. Skye.: It's not over yet... : What!?: I said this trial isn't: over yet.: Ha! But I'm afraid it is over, boy! Not only this trial...: but your career too!: ...: You purposely concealed this conclusive evidence.: That, my friend,: is a serious offense.: ...: I'm looking forward to pressing charges after the defendant is convicted.: I'll have your badge, boy!: ...Next time: Maybe this was a bad idea?
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Mar 22, 2017 14:48
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BUT YOU HID THE EVIDENCE BUT YOU FORGED THE EVIDENCE BUT YOU HID THE EVIDENCE BUT YOU FORGED THE EVIDENCE BUT YOU HID THE EVIDENCE I FORGED AND THAT PART ISN'T FORGED Okay, here's the evidence, THAT YOU HID FIRST BUT YOU HID THE EVIDENCE AFTER ME SO YOU'RE THE ONE IN TROUBLE Having recently served on a jury, I can attest, trials do sometimes resemble playground arguments, but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
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Mar 22, 2017 16:06
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Gant taking the extremely popular "yes, I committed a crime, what are you going to do about it" defense.
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Mar 22, 2017 16:07
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 As god is my witness, I have no idea where it's going to go now.... Wait, or do I? One of the sticking points of this case is that Neil wrote the name of his killer-allegedly Ema - on the jar in blood, before it got smashed? (Or after it got smashed, the jar is kind of a weird point in this because it wasn't clear when it was broken; allegedly it was after the murder, but Ema saw ot in flight before fainting? Anyway, the jar is stupid and ancillary to my point.) Written in blood, allegedly his own... but was there blood at the crime scene before he was pushed? Is the narrative suggesting he was able to write something after being stabbed in the chest, especially on a (broken) jar that was far away from him? And why is the cloth so clean, when the rest of the vest is bloody from the wound? If it was really done after the stab, then it'd be a little bloody too, surely?
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Mar 22, 2017 16:14
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I like how the game tries to pretend Phoenix had some master plan in play the whole time when you can see with the other option that isn't the case.
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Mar 22, 2017 16:21
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He's Schrödinger's Protagonist, really; doing everything right with him shows off how cunning he can be, while getting it wrong reveals him as a massive dumbass.
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Mar 22, 2017 16:26
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Regalingualius posted:He's Schrödinger's Protagonist, really; doing everything right with him shows off how cunning he can be, while getting it wrong reveals him as a massive dumbass. In fairness, that doesn't seem all that inconsistent for Phoenix. He is a cunning dumbass.
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Mar 22, 2017 16:32
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Shady Amish Terror posted:In fairness, that doesn't seem all that inconsistent for Phoenix. He is a cunning dumbass. Yeah, consider how Phoenix might look to outsiders - to them, it looks like he's just vaguely grasping for straws, until he suddenly pulls out a huge contradiction from somewhere and nails a witness to the wall. From the perspective of someone who doesn't have access to Phoenix's sometimes slightly panicked thoughts, Phoenix must look like a loving mad genius.
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Mar 22, 2017 16:36
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Exercu posted:Yeah, consider how Phoenix might look to outsiders - to them, it looks like he's just vaguely grasping for straws, until he suddenly pulls out a huge contradiction from somewhere and nails a witness to the wall. From the perspective of someone who doesn't have access to Phoenix's sometimes slightly panicked thoughts, Phoenix must look like a loving mad genius. He also has video game protagonist syndrome, where the world thinks they do everything perfectly but in reality it's just the player abusing save States
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Mar 22, 2017 16:50
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Everyone knows Phoenix is using saves though, there are constant comments that he bluffs his way through every trial.
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Mar 22, 2017 17:03
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Green Intern posted:Gant taking the extremely popular "yes, I committed a crime, what are you going to do about it" defense. Really, if he walked away instead of running his mouth, he'd probably get away with it. Instead, he's come on the stand and said "Yes, I concealed that evidence within my safe and have basically been using it for blackmail." BioEnchanted posted:Everyone knows Phoenix is using saves though, there are constant comments that he bluffs his way through every trial. I could believe that.
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Mar 22, 2017 17:27
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Green Intern posted:Gant taking the extremely popular "yes, I committed a crime, what are you going to do about it" defense. Actually it's more a case of "By admitting to the lesser crime of hiding evidence, I'm proving I did not do the greater crime of murder".
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Mar 22, 2017 23:29
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Yeah, the claim is less "I'm the chief of police and I can do what I want" (even though Gant has plenty of that), and more "sure, I blackmailed a woman, but it was because her sister murdered a dude". And since this series is about murder mysteries, well, as far as the narrative is concerned, anything that isn't murder simply Isn't An Important Enough Crime To Pursue. (Except Gant seems to have forgotten that the original case was on Goodman's murder, not Marshall's, and he's basically all but admitted to extorting someone else into taking care of that for him.)
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Mar 23, 2017 00:50
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The game seems to have an extremely loose understanding of the concept of criminal conspiracy. Recall that a bunch of thugs appearing to make an inconvenient Phoenix 'disappear' wasn't even important enough to actually mention in trial against the person who summoned them at all. I'd be surprised if it's relevant to this case without making several more extraordinary leaps to tie Gant even closer to the crime.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:36
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I think that it's kind of spelled out by Edgeworth in this case in particular- it's not really about law except when it's convenient. It's all about finding out the truth of the matter. Being strong-armed by thugs doesn't really play into finding out the truth of things, it's just a character establishing their bona fides.
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Mar 23, 2017 01:38
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Mors Rattus posted:
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Mar 23, 2017 09:33
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Oh, Gant. Time for you to get schooled on evidence law. It wasn't relevant until you said you hid it!
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Mar 23, 2017 17:54
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Well, to be fair, it was always relevant, as shown in the game over.Mors Rattus posted:
Phoenix and Ema both immediately recognized the relevance of the scrap. But Phoenix knows full well that if he presents the cloth now, it'll be Ema who is found guilty as we saw above, so he's pretty much just concealing evidence because he's hoping Gant will say something implicating.
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Mar 23, 2017 18:08
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The evidence didn't have any clear relevance to the murder of Goodman, is the issue.
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Mar 23, 2017 18:15
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I keep forgetting that the victim isn't Neil Marshal considering how much time we've spent talking about him.
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Mar 23, 2017 18:19
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What I'm wondering is why there's no blood on the scrap of cloth when we clearly see that the victim bled all over his chest.
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