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Xrd is wizardry and it frankly is not fair to include it in any art discussion
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The only truly terrible mvc3 theme is Iron Man's
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Mar 21, 2017 19:24
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Countblanc posted:Xrd is wizardry and it frankly is not fair to include it in any art discussion It's really just effort, that mysterious thing a company like Capcom doesn't know how to produce anymore.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:25
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wonder what percentage chance there is for mvc4 to remove character themes
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Mar 21, 2017 19:47
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Fereydun posted:wonder what percentage chance there is for mvc4 to remove character themes How many take you for a ride remixes will there be, this is important
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Mar 21, 2017 19:48
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Mar 21, 2017 19:48
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my other fear is they use generic orchestra fighttheme like rocket raccoon's or urien's sf5 one
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Mar 21, 2017 19:50
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Fereydun posted:my other fear is they use generic orchestra fighttheme like rocket raccoon's or urien's sf5 one Neither, it'll be badly done techno remixs of classic themes you used to love like Bison's SFV theme.
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Mar 21, 2017 19:55
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Just make the Bloody Roar: Primal Fury character select screen music play all time non-stop. Including the loading screens.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:08
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all character select music should be the real bout fatal fury theme. also the ougon character select theme cause if my opponent is taking too long I start singing along.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:12
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Every character will have Rashido theme song.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:25
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Keegers posted:Every character will have Rashido theme song. Best OST in gaming history confirmed.
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Mar 21, 2017 20:26
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Pomp posted:i'd agree with you before xrd but we're on year 3 of xrd and I still forget for weeks at a time that it's 3d. It's pretty obvious to me. Also while it may look 2D it clearly isn't pixel art. Chev posted:It's really just effort, that mysterious thing a company like Capcom doesn't know how to produce anymore. More like insane effort. ASW is on record saying that Xrd models take as long/as much work as Blazblue sprites. punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Mar 21, 2017 |
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Mar 21, 2017 23:44
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Did they make Slayer good yet? I really want to like Xrd but playing my character in it makes me depressed.
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Mar 21, 2017 23:47
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Did they make Slayer good yet? I really want to like Xrd but playing my character in it makes me depressed. Is slayer that much weaker than in previous games, so much so that he feels like a different character? Because even if he's bottom tier in xrd a good slayer still makes me want to quit playing fighting games
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Mar 22, 2017 00:10
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Slayer used to be broken good. Now hes normal and still very cool and shouldnt be an excuse to not play xrd
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Mar 22, 2017 00:17
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#BringBackBBU
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Mar 22, 2017 00:18
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giogadi posted:Is slayer that much weaker than in previous games, so much so that he feels like a different character? Because even if he's bottom tier in xrd a good slayer still makes me want to quit playing fighting games Slayer no longer kills you meterless with a single counterhit, this apparently makes him a bad character.
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Mar 22, 2017 00:19
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When 80% of people play Elphelt and Sol, playing Slayer is really super not fun
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Mar 22, 2017 00:21
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There are some unfavorable matchups for most to all characters but nothing really is entirely unwinnable. and most of us in this thread aren't at the skill level where it's like an insurmountable disparity.
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Mar 22, 2017 00:23
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Slayer won Anime Ascension like, a month ago, if you want further proof. Also, the grand finals is a hell of a loving set: http://shoryuken.com/2017/02/20/daymendous-slayer-squares-up-with-kidvipers-johnny-in-epic-anime-ascension-guilty-gear-grand-finals/
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Mar 22, 2017 00:25
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SectumSempra posted:There are some unfavorable matchups for most to all characters but nothing really is entirely unwinnable. and most of us in this thread aren't at the skill level where it's like an insurmountable disparity. Always worth reiterating this whenever tier list discussions bubbles back up
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Mar 22, 2017 00:27
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In Training posted:Always worth reiterating this whenever tier list discussions bubbles back up being low skill can not only exacerbate bad matchups but it can also make them good matchups depending on how people play. slayer is a God at low level play. the "tiers don't matter at our level" meme is a really bad one in general, tiers still matter it's just that there's different tiers for low level play
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Mar 22, 2017 00:39
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All pre-Xrd Slayer talk must involve these videos. Pretty sure it's law at this point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIEZSmPDdDs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CipKrMhMiDM
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Mar 22, 2017 00:43
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punk rebel ecks posted:More like insane effort. ASW is on record saying that Xrd models take as long/as much work as Blazblue sprites. Speaking of which, there was a presentation about the SFV art direction at GDC. Video and slides. It's less interesting than the Xrd one but still interesting. I wish someone would grab and scan that golden era capcom art guide they show during the presentation though.
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Mar 22, 2017 00:48
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Zand posted:being low skill can not only exacerbate bad matchups but it can also make them good matchups depending on how people play. slayer is a God at low level play. the "tiers don't matter at our level" meme is a really bad one in general, tiers still matter it's just that there's different tiers for low level play this it's more likely that low skill makes bad matchups worse than it is that it fixes bad matchups. a 9-1 often becomes a 6-4 once a player knows the extent of their options to deal with poo poo, meanwhile a 6-4 can become a 9-1 instantly if you stumble onto a tactic that requires homework to overcome (which is the basis for a lot of bad matchups).
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Mar 22, 2017 00:50
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Tier lists with a million caveats are pointless, is all I'm saying. And you're talking about particular match ups between people, not characters. The people you're playing after matter more than the characters they play as
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Mar 22, 2017 00:53
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I think these are all valid points about tier lists, except the viewpoint where tiers are an excuse to not play a good game
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Mar 22, 2017 01:11
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Chev posted:There's nothing insane about that. It means it now takes the same time using their awesome looking new standard as it does using the old one they'd mastered over years. People tend to misread it being described as crazy long, when it actually means "takes longer than those bullcrap SF4 animations, that's fer sure". chev when are you gonna make a fighting game already dang
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Mar 22, 2017 01:15
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anime was right posted:chev when are you gonna make a fighting game already dang
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Mar 22, 2017 01:33
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Hell looks better than SFV already
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Smoking Crow posted:#BringBackBBU baby bonnie uhood
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Mar 22, 2017 02:36
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Chev posted:There's nothing insane about that. It means it now takes the same time using their awesome looking new standard as it does using the old one they'd mastered over years. People tend to misread it being described as crazy long, when it actually means "takes longer than those bullcrap SF4 animations, that's fer sure". I would accept in seeing less of what the effort Arc System Works puts into Guilty Gear and Blazblue models/sprites as an "insane" amount of work and more in seeing that Capcom is just "lazy" with their models.
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I think it's impressive that ArcSys proved you can actually make a nice looking game in the Unreal engine
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Chev posted:Short answer is "Who knows?". I'm just a dev, not a game dev. Long answer is those things take time. I've already been at the point where the whole gameplay loop is there and all directinput controllers are supported, with one of those tap-to-bind button config things, for more than a year, and all the infrequent work since has been working on the animation export tech or sidetracking into building a space game engine in the same executable because being single-minded is not a programmer trait. And don't believe that filthy liar of an FPS counter, I've got a steady 60 on my laptop when I'm not printing screens. After that, all that's left is becoming an awesome artist, gameplay designer and sound guy. Smooth sailing, without a doubt. this is cool man. i thought you were a dev from the way you kept referencing animation stuff. or were you the guy that did cinematics? keep it up!!! make cool stuff!!
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Zand posted:being low skill can not only exacerbate bad matchups but it can also make them good matchups depending on how people play. slayer is a God at low level play. the "tiers don't matter at our level" meme is a really bad one in general, tiers still matter it's just that there's different tiers for low level play yeah, which is exactly why i said SectumSempra posted:There are some unfavorable matchups for most to all characters but nothing really is entirely unwinnable. and most of us in this thread aren't at the skill level where it's like an insurmountable disparity. AKA if a match up is tilted heavily because of a tool or a weakness but the other person can't exploit it fully, the match up isn't something that should dissuade you from playing. Also huge note, I very specifically didn't mention tiers but match ups, which matter more to a person just trying to gain information, as tiers shift drastically as the game ages, match ups more or less don't shift too much, unless a character is played some entirely different way than expected. SectumSempra fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Mar 22, 2017 |
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Mar 22, 2017 08:25
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At midlevel Slayer 6P just entirely shits on Elphelt's day anyway
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Mar 22, 2017 08:29
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SectumSempra posted:Also huge note, I very specifically didn't mention tiers but match ups, which matter more to a person just trying to gain information, as tiers shift drastically as the game ages, match ups more or less don't shift too much, unless a character is played some entirely different way than expected. I disagree. There are plenty of matchups that live and die entirely based on This One Weird Trick Your Opponent Doesn't Want You to Know and if you know about said trick and the opponent doesn't, as happens frequently in games where the players are at less than the highest level of skill, then a matchup can swing to a ridiculous degree off of what it "should" be.
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AnonSpore posted:I disagree. There are plenty of matchups that live and die entirely based on This One Weird Trick Your Opponent Doesn't Want You to Know and if you know about said trick and the opponent doesn't, as happens frequently in games where the players are at less than the highest level of skill, then a matchup can swing to a ridiculous degree off of what it "should" be. leo is like this
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when I see my friends complaining about Leo's 6H into blender or whatever the actual input is. 
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