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El Gallinero Gros posted:Tampa drew well this year but they couldn't get people to watch them to win the Cup without giving away a lot of tickets. This is no lie. I went to a ton of games in all four rounds including SCF in 2004 for probably the price of going to one round in a normal NHL city. To be fair, though, 2003 was probably the first year they weren't complete poo poo though and actually worth watching... which means Vegas should start to see good attendance in like 2030? Oh and also the lockout immediately after didn't help.
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Martytoof posted:This is no lie. I went to a ton of games in all four rounds including SCF in 2004 for probably the price of going to one round in a normal NHL city. To be fair, though, 2003 was probably the first year they weren't complete poo poo though and actually worth watching... which means Vegas should start to see good attendance in like 2030? It might be even longer for the Golden Knights because the Raiders are going to be stealing so much of their thunder early on. There are probably already a ton of Raiders fans in Nevada.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd forgotten about the legendarily poo poo Caps team. Still, I feel like the best candidates for expansion are Hamilton, Seattle, Quebec City, Milwaukee (Wisconsin loving loves hockey, as much as Minnesota does I'd say), and this might seem odd, but Omaha. Population of close to 500,000, and their NCAA team is one of the best attended teams in the NCAA. Dean Blais just left UNO and it sounds like support from the school to the program may be drying up, which would be a real shame. It's a very underrated program.
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I think they'll be fine. They've said the raiders won't have their new stadium until the 2020 season which means the Knights will be starting their 4th season by the time fans have to decide if they want to go to a Knights game or a Raiders game on conflicting Sunday/Monday/Thursday's. Season ticket interest seems solid, and you would think visitors should be able to plug the gap considering the arena is right there on the strip within walking distance of quite a few major casinos.
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Yeah, I said it in the other thread but the NFL and the NHL don't really directly compete for viewers/attendees. NFL games are once a week, usually during the day, and NHL games vary. It'd be a different story if Vegas was getting a MLB or NBA team, but I think the Raiders and the Knights should be able to coexist pretty easily.
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I don't think the Raiders change anything, but it's still an enormously bad idea.
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Also the NFL season ends in January, while the NHL goes on til April. I don't see how they'll conflict that much.
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Loqieu posted:They had a good 6 month run of being the only major pro team in town. Hope the Creator gets used to being a small byline in the sports section, like most other NHL teams get in multi sport cities. They're really nice and I get compliments on mine all the time 
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Yeah, I said it in the other thread but the NFL and the NHL don't really directly compete for viewers/attendees. NFL games are once a week, usually during the day, and NHL games vary. It'd be a different story if Vegas was getting a MLB or NBA team, but I think the Raiders and the Knights should be able to coexist pretty easily. Business support will heavily lean towards the Raiders unless the Goights can somehow become more competitive more quickly than the Raiders. Business support is far more critical to a teams long term viability. El Gallinero Gros posted:I'd forgotten about the legendarily poo poo Caps team. Still, I feel like the best candidates for expansion are Hamilton, Seattle, Quebec City, Milwaukee (Wisconsin loving loves hockey, as much as Minnesota does I'd say), and this might seem odd, but Omaha. Population of close to 500,000, and their NCAA team is one of the best attended teams in the NCAA. I seriously doubt the "I don't want to expand to a place that is already a rabid hockey fanbase" feeling is confined to Bettman. And in a business sense, he's not wrong. There's more value in expanding your brand somewhere people don't know your name. The best Candidate for expansion is Seattle (the NHL is desperate for Seattle regardless of how unlikely it looks right now), followed by Quebec (because it actually has a full NHL ready stadium and a fanbase that doesn't really support anyone right now) and then Hamilton/GTA (which comes with strings the size of Mars attached - Toronto, Buffalo and also potentially Ottawa would all want their large cash handout for letting that team exist). KC has a stadium ready to go, but there's no ownership willing to take on the cost and no-one seems to care. Houston seems like a seriously long shot, but a second Texas team would rifle up a bit of rivalry which is always handy. Milwaukee could have a team if they wanted one, but from what I've heard Hockey is mostly a Minnesota thing that UW-M does too.
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Quebec City can have a team when Brian Mulroney is dead in the ground and Quebecor is nothing but a bad memory.
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Schlesische posted:
There's also value in taking the money rather than using it on lottery tickets. What makes more sense? You invest $1000 with me and I will give you $50 a year for the rest of your life or you can give me an additional $25 year and eventually I may give you $100 a year starting 30 years down the road (there's a 20% chance that happens).
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Schlesische posted:The best Candidate for expansion is Seattle (the NHL is desperate for Seattle regardless of how unlikely it looks right now) I wouldn't say it's "unlikely" here now. It's just that everybody wants the SODO / Hansen crew's stadium -but- The Port of Seattle, Mariners, Seattle Times, ½ the city council wants it in The Key Arena for various conflict-of-interest'ey reasons (the current port of seattle commissioner OWNS the company running the monorail - it's greasy as gently caress) -and- The Mayor is in his election year so the useless babymouthed populist gently caress is playing both sides and trying to get his back scratched. So in the long run it COULD happen, just not at the stadium no one but special interests or the NBA wants.   WA state politicians have a long and storied history of doing the exact opposite of what voters want
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Stretch Marx posted:Also the NFL season ends in January, while the NHL goes on til April. I don't see how they'll conflict that much. They conflict because no one gives a poo poo about hockey so the novelty of HOLY poo poo WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM will completely loving evaporate when they're still poo poo and an NFL team that'll likely be in a championship window shows up e: not to mention the fact that LV residents are going to be going to see a lovely hockey team play live while watching their future football team get better and better by the day from afar, and when they arrive, they'll be champing at the bit to go see a team that actually loving wins. Raiders just signed this team's death warrant if they don't make the playoffs by 2019 Teemu Pokemon fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Mar 29, 2017 |
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I still think a pile of tickets will be sold to drunk Canadians there to see their team beat up on a lovely expansion team. Merch might even be purchased ironically. For the continental cup of curling, they're always advertising a $400 package that includes flight, hotel and tickets for curling for like $400, i could see the same thing being done in the local markets for canadian teams. Advertise during oilers games for a $400 3 day flight/hotel/hockey for oilers at vegas, and the arena will be full of oilers jerseys. Same for flames, possibly canucks, jets.
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I'm trying to decide whether I believe that comped tickets will result in actual okay attendance or just large swathes of empty seats at a "sold out" game.
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Martytoof posted:I'm trying to decide whether I believe that comped tickets will result in actual okay attendance or just large swathes of empty seats at a "sold out" game. Yeah, I'm guessing weekday games will look like some of those arenas were a ton of seats are corporately owned and largely sitting empty. I know Devils games have been like this for a while and I'm sure a few others are like that.
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Martytoof posted:I'm trying to decide whether I believe that comped tickets will result in actual okay attendance or just large swathes of empty seats at a "sold out" game. This has been happening in Detroit for the better part of a decade and people there actually "care about hockey"
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https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/847191110204166146 Hey the NHL isn't completely making GBS threads the bed on Expansion Draft coverage
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Can wait to have an actual tangible list of Ken Holland's incompetence
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Yaya posted:https://twitter.com/cotsonika/status/847191110204166146 nice
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Teemu Pokemon posted:Can wait to have an actual tangible list of Ken Holland's incompetence You already do, its the list of players on The Detroit Red Wings roster.
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Powershift posted:I still think a pile of tickets will be sold to drunk Canadians there to see their team beat up on a lovely expansion team. I'm not Canadian but I'm originally from California's Canada and you better god-drat-believe I'll be rolling down for Bruins games no matter the day of the week cause tickets from here to LV are stupid loving cheap during the winter. So are nice hotel rooms.
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Teemu Pokemon posted:Can wait to have an actual tangible list of Ken Holland's incompetence http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/transactions/detroit-red-wings/signed-free-agent/
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Duke Chin posted:I'm not Canadian but I'm originally from California's Canada and you better god-drat-believe I'll be rolling down for Bruins games no matter the day of the week cause tickets from here to LV are stupid loving cheap during the winter. So are nice hotel rooms. Where is this
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Jordan7hm posted:Where is this I'm guessing Oregon.
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I decided to spend some time playing around with the CapFriendly expansion draft tool, and according to the... I guess user consensus, the Canucks should protect Sutter and expose Granlund A)  forever if they don't do exactly the oppositeB) gently caress you forever Benning if you, in fact, do not protect a 23yo 19 goal scorer. You idiot. Anyhow, here's my team. Please feel free to call me an idiot moron who knows nothing about your team (or mine). Also I didn't realize so many of those contracts were up immediately, which would surely influence them to pick other players, but gently caress if I'm going to go back and redo this:    
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Jordan7hm posted:Where is this Seattle
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JawKnee posted:B) gently caress you forever Benning if you, in fact, do not protect a 23yo 19 goal scorer. You idiot. Granlund is neither especially young or good. His shooting % was 15.6% this year which is best in the league level quality. Drop that down to a even a very good 12% (nearly a full percentage point higher than his career average coming into this season) and he nets a pedestrian 15 goals or 17 over a full season. Basically, he's been given a top six role because there's no one else to fill it and he's performed around replacement level. Granlund's G/60 this year is currently 8th for all Canucks over the last 4 years sandwiched between Sven Baertschi last year and Bo Horvat in his rookie year. A team isn't going to score zero goals in a year, someone has to put the puck in the net and this year it's Granlund. In 2013-14 Zack Kassian had 14 goals on a similarly high percentage of shots (15.4%) and was younger than Granlund is now. The following year he was on pace for 20. It's not that Kassian's a good goal scorer, it's just that there was no one else there to do it at the time. With that said, Sutter is still quite useless and horribly overpaid. No one should be having any restless nights over the possibility of losing one over the other. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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I hope old man Jagr still goes to the Olympics. It'd be funny to have a roster that's him, and a bunch of kids who weren't even born when he was drafted.
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deoju posted:I hope old man Jagr still goes to the Olympics. It'd be funny to have a roster that's him, and a bunch of kids who weren't even born when he was drafted. That's the Panthers at the moment. Only 7 roster regulars were born before he was drafted.
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Haha, he is old. How about players who weren't born when the Czech Republic won gold in 98 instead?
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Schlesische posted:I seriously doubt the "I don't want to expand to a place that is already a rabid hockey fanbase" feeling is confined to Bettman. Delayed, but three things. 1. The main school in Wisconsin with hockey is UW-Madison, commonly shortened to UW. UW-M is UW-Milwaukee, which doesn't have hockey  .Secondly, Hockey is the one big four (five if you count soccer) sport where Chicago does NOT have a Wisconsin rival. Any expansion team will likely have a lot of resistance from the 'Hawks if Milwaukee is the primary city for consideration. Thirdly, they built the Bradley Center in the 80s with the intention of drawing an NHL franchise and to give the Bucks a bigger arena (seriously, the Bucks' home was only 10k large at the time, so I don't blame them on that one). The NHL team never happened. The new Bucks arena is capable of hosting hockey games, but only on an "as needed" basis (read: NHL preseason and NCAA Frozen Four), meaning that the basketball court (or any other floor they use) will not have the insulation needed to have it on top of a permanent ice sheet. As much as I'd love a Milwaukee franchise, the chance died when the NHL didn't bother with the Bradley Center.
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JawKnee posted:Anyhow, here's my team. Please feel free to call me an idiot moron who knows nothing about your team (or mine). Also I didn't realize so many of those contracts were up immediately, which would surely influence them to pick other players, but gently caress if I'm going to go back and redo this: The thing to remember with UFAs is that Vegas can sign them and then that'd constitute as their pick from that team, so having several UFAs isn't too bad if you think Vegas can sign them. Still, I doubt they'll sign somebody like Shattenkirk who seems destined for the Rangers. I also doubt the Oilers won't protect Letestu.
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ThinkTank posted:That's the Panthers at the moment. Only 7 roster regulars were born before he was drafted. ekblad was born the day jagr scored his 200th goal
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Fingers crossed that the Olympic fall out, ensuing lock out torpedoes Las Vegas, and the rest of the league, as the WHA is reborn and I start attending Fighting Saints games like it's 1971 
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Kilza posted:The thing to remember with UFAs is that Vegas can sign them and then that'd constitute as their pick from that team, so having several UFAs isn't too bad if you think Vegas can sign them. Still, I doubt they'll sign somebody like Shattenkirk who seems destined for the Rangers. I also doubt the Oilers won't protect Letestu. If the Oilers protect a 34 year old special teams specialist with one year left on his deal over someone with cheap control and term then Chiarelli is dumber than I think.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:If the Oilers protect a 34 year old special teams specialist with one year left on his deal over someone with cheap control and term then Chiarelli is dumber than I think. gee I wonder if the guy who traded both Tyler Seguin and Taylor Hall is a stupid person, hmmmmm
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I do not disagree!
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all-Rush mixtape posted:I'm guessing Oregon. More specifically southern Oregon. Bay Area folk be rolling up like "what there's no sales tax here?? People pump your gas for you?!?! Truly it's a different land."
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